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I am in the middle of a mega-mission to a lonely and under appreciated planet. The mission I cooked up to show some love involves multiple objectives and this challenge is based on one of those objectives.

You can find my Mission Report log HERE

 

OBJECTIVE:

The premise is simple, pick a planet or moon that you can land on and chart all the craters on it by planting a flag or landing a probe in each crater (or any combination of the two)

And just to be clear, either a flag or a probe has to remain at the landing location in each crater ... you can send a myriad of remote probes, a Kerbaled rover or even a Kerbaled jump ship that bounces from crater to crater but there has to be something left in each crater to mark that you have been there

NOTE: The Kerbal wiki will be the default reference in regards to the amount of craters on each planet/moon that would need to be marked. Using Dres for example, it is documented in the wiki that she has 42 known craters with a possible 5 additional ones so for Dres you would have to mark 42 craters to be recognized ... As for the 5 other craters that may be on Dres, well kudos to you if you can chart them. Also the wiki could be wrong and should be used only for reference. A better way would be to start a sandbox game, go to your tracking center, take a look at the celestial body you want to chart in the tracking center and start counting what looks like craters ... The biome maps can be a bit misleading with the colour tones they use to differentiate between zones

In addition to this, if the celestial body you choose to chart doesn't have information in the wiki about the amount of craters it has then we shall come up with a reasonable number ourselves ... That could even end up creating challenges between individuals within this challenge

NOTE: Captured asteroids are not moons


RULES FOR ENTRY:

1- Wheatons Law

2- No Hyperedit or cheats

3- Screenshots (preferably with info panes visible) or it didn't happen ... Lots of them

4- You must start a Mission Report log to document your mission.

NOTE: I would like to keep this thread from turning into everyone's mission report in one thread so please use this thread for discussion and not your primary record of your mission ... Although feel free to post periodic updates here about your progress with a link to your Mission Report log.

5- An imgur account is strongly recommended as it is expected that many screenshots be taken with info panes visible ... This isn't so much for providing proof that the challenge was completed according to the rules but more to see how each person who takes up the challenge approaches the objective. As a retired electro-mechanical engineer/specialist from the aerospace industry, I find it fascinating to observe the differences (and similarities) between how individuals approach a mission objective with the same tools at their disposal, which is why I'm trying to keep the rules to a minimum.

6- 1 flag or 1 probe must be present in each crater to mark your passage

 

MODS:

Use any mod you care to, just know that if the mod you use adds parts to the game then you are automatically put into the Neapolitan (modded) division regardless of if you use the parts or not ... dems da rules

Any mod that adds functionality above and beyond what you find in the stock game automatically puts you in the Neapolitan (modded) division

Autopilot mods ... definitely not by the seat of your pants

Visual enhancements, Chatterer etc ... if it doesn't add parts or change physics then by the seat of your pants


DIVISIONS:

There will be 2 main divisions for this challenge, By the seat of your pants (no mods that change physics or add parts) and Neapolitan (Modded).

An additional minor division, The Kiddies Table, is for entries that don't meet the requirements of the challenge or don't contain the information needed to determine if the challenge was completed (this is so that anyone who wants to try this can be recognized for their efforts) ... Hopefully I have been concise enough in creating this challenge that those who take it up will follow the spirit of it and provide the information required to be recognized in the 2 main divisions.

NOTE: There is also The Order of Cartographer Kings which is for those who dare to chart every crater in the Kerbol system ... Good luck with that :rolleyes:

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-By the seat of your pants (no mods that change physics or add parts)

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-Neapolitan (Modded)

Dres - Nefrums ... Cost:  Weight:  Part Count:  ... Sent a crater hopping lander with ISRU's and plotted 43 Craters

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-The Kiddies Table (Minor Division)

Mun - Foxster ... Cost: $308,912 Weight: 188.5t Part count: 110 ... First to complete the challenge by sending 9 probes to the Mun

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-The Order of Cartographer Kings

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Finally, this challenge is open to anyone who wants to try it and they can do it in any way they see fit but remember that if you put an entry in and it's not within the scope of the rules or you aim to be deceitful with your entry then it's the Kiddies Table for you.

One more thing ... Do your research before you make claims as it was stated that there are only 9 craters listed for the Mun on the wiki in the biome list, however using the biome map for the mun I can count well over 60

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Which is why there isn't a scoring deal ... Each planet/moon have their own level of difficulty in regards to completing this challenge so scoring is really a moot point

I'll figure out a way for a challenge. Gilly's on my list but I don't know of much craters there.

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3 hours ago, HoloYolo said:

Dres is the target. With Paint and a picture from the wiki I'm confirming craters.

Fantastic ... That is actually the target of my mega-mission

I currently have 12 lander probes on-board a mother ship currently orbiting Dres with 37 on-board another monstrosity that en route to Dres capture burn ... 49 landers in total

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Fantastic ... That is actually the target of my mega-mission

I currently have 12 lander probes on-board a mother ship currently orbiting Dres with another 37 on-board another monstrosity that en route to Dres capture burn ... 49 landers in total

The ship that will sail there has a miner to refuel. It is just 1 ship.

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Here's my go at the nine named Mun biome craters...

I didn't bother with shots of all the landings because they were basically identical. 

Had a slight hiccough at the end. I had forgotten a decoupler for one probe. So I landed the last stage with the probe attached. Did the job. 

Cost: 308,912

Weight: 188.5t

Part count: 110

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Mechjeb adds parts to the game

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About Mechjeb from Curse:

"Add either the AR202 surface-attached case from the Control tab or the MechJeb pod from the Pods tab to one of your vessels.Then use the button on the right side of the screen to access MechJeb window selection interface, and click on the buttons to activate the windows. The windows can be dragged anywhere on screen, and their position is saved and reused among all rockets."

 

I specifically put this into the rules because autopilot mods add parts to the game AFAIK ... I'm going to ad an amendment to the rules reflect this as using Mechjeb or another auto-piloting mod really is not by the seat of your pants considering it does all the work for you, n'est pas

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MODS:

Use any mod you care to, just know that if the mod you use adds parts to the game then you are automatically put into the Neapolitan (modded) division regardless of if you use the parts or not ... dems da rules

 

 

 

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Looking for some clarification on this, using minmus as example with no literal craters would it not be a valid place to do this challenge? or would the Flats counts (I assume no since they are not craters caused by impact, just want to confirm)

Also on dres having 42 craters, I can only count 18 on the map (I am only looking at the yellow circles on the biome map tho.) Can you help point out exactly what denotes a crater.

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1 hour ago, Caithloki said:

Looking for some clarification on this, using minmus as example with no literal craters would it not be a valid place to do this challenge? or would the Flats counts (I assume no since they are not craters caused by impact, just want to confirm)

Also on dres having 42 craters, I can only count 18 on the map (I am only looking at the yellow circles on the biome map tho.) Can you help point out exactly what denotes a crater.

Well concerning Minmus, we know there aren't any craters on it but seeing as it isn't a captured asteroid (see above ... Gilly for example) then I think it is acceptable to send a mission there to confirm that the depressions on the surface are in fact not craters.

As for Dres, I gotta find 'em all as they all aren't marked but it specifically says in the wiki that there are 42 craters so I have to find 42 in order to complete my own challenge :confused:

A crater in regards to this challenge is what is known as an impact crater to NASA scientist although we shall find out if we need to refine this interpretation to account for mistakes in the wiki. This challenge is about confirming what is in the wiki in regards to craters on planets or moons

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Looking into Nasa's impact crater PDF (https://www.nasa.gov/pdf/180572main_ETM.Impact.Craters.pdf) there needs to be a raised rim of ejected matter, steep walls and a flat or bowl shaped floor. Some of the other characteristics are ignored in KSP but looking into the biome map (http://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/images/5/5b/Dres_Biome_Map_0.90.0.png) there only seems to be 18 that meet that description, with one being just because it is round but no color change (Bottom right corner of the biome map has a tiny indent). With the moons or captured asteroids, only dres has crater numbers, and of those moons only a few of those have biome mapped areas that are labeled as "crater" of some sort.

Not trying to nit pick just trying to figure out what is outlined as a crater, I don't want to end up with sending a ship to bomb a planet with probes only to find out that I wasted probes or under counted the craters.

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On 2015-12-17, 8:24:51, Caithloki said:

Looking into Nasa's impact crater PDF (https://www.nasa.gov/pdf/180572main_ETM.Impact.Craters.pdf) there needs to be a raised rim of ejected matter, steep walls and a flat or bowl shaped floor. Some of the other characteristics are ignored in KSP but looking into the biome map (http://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/images/5/5b/Dres_Biome_Map_0.90.0.png) there only seems to be 18 that meet that description, with one being just because it is round but no color change (Bottom right corner of the biome map has a tiny indent). With the moons or captured asteroids, only dres has crater numbers, and of those moons only a few of those have biome mapped areas that are labeled as "crater" of some sort.

Not trying to nit pick just trying to figure out what is outlined as a crater, I don't want to end up with sending a ship to bomb a planet with probes only to find out that I wasted probes or under counted the craters.

If it looks like a crater then count it ... as for number of craters, as I stated above, the wiki will be used as default on crater info however the object of the challenge is to confirm what is in the wiki in regards to craters.

Common sense dictates that if there are only 18 craters on Dres instead of 42 then only 18 craters can be marked in which case we know the wiki is wrong concerning craters on Dres. We can also use Foxster's mission to the Mun, he dropped 9 probes because that is what is listed in the wiki but we all know there is more so someone else can try to beat his 9 score or he can keep launching more probes to increase the number of craters he has marked.

EDIT: Foxster did not do his research on the Mun very well as there are 9 craters listed in the biome list but when you look at the biome map you will be able to count well over 60 ... Do your research my fellow Kerbo-not's

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In addition to this, if the celestial body you choose to chart doesn't have information in the wiki about the amount of craters it has then we shall come up with a reasonable number ourselves ... That could even end up creating challenges between individuals within this challenge

Is the info about craters in the wiki correct, that is the question

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On 2015-12-16, 3:43:30, Foxster said:

Not that I'm really bothered, but wouldn't it be: "By the seat of your pants (no mods that change physics or add parts)". Mechjeb doesn't do either of those. 

I'll put some stats in the first post. 

So I just took a closer look at your pics and first off no info windows are visible and also all of the pics are of a different size so it is obvious that you have cropped your screenshots :huh:

On 2015-12-16, 3:16:30, Foxster said:

Here's my go at the nine named Mun biome craters...

I didn't bother with shots of all the landings because they were basically identical. 

Had a slight hiccough at the end. I had forgotten a decoupler for one probe. So I landed the last stage with the probe attached. Did the job. 

Cost: 308,912

Weight: 188.5t

Part count: 110

Not impressed at all ... Kiddies Table it is

In addition to this I personally took a look at the Mun biome map on the Kerbal wiki and can count well over 60 craters marked on the map :huh:

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So I just took a closer look at your pics and first off no info windows are visible and also all of the pics are of a different size so it is obvious that you have cropped your screenshots :huh:

Not impressed at all ... Kiddies Table it is

In addition to this I personally took a look at the Mun biome map on the Kerbal wiki and can count well over 60 craters marked on the map :huh:

Whatever. 

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