hak8or Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 How did these guys make the orbit the way that it looks in this image?http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/images/spacecraftnow/msl_today2.jpgDid they constantly curve from the second of its launch to make it curve like that, or did they do something in space?Also, off topic but still cool, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maltesh Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 The sun did it.It\'s a fairly-standard Hohmann transfer. Disregarding the minor course corrections, Curiosity\'s in an elliptical orbit whose periapsis is at Earth\'s orbit and whose apoapsis is at Mars\'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Orion Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 It\'s just an elliptical orbit, yep. Nothing special! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menelmacar Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Yep standard hohmann transfer - you probably do one on the way to the Mun ;P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samstarman5 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Welcome to your first real taste at gravity in space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmo-not Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 I doesn\'t look like a Hohmann transfer to me. It looks like an intercept that uses a little more fuel to save a lot more time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerDanger75 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 My two cents if you\'re still confused. A regular orbit looks just like a circle around the planet. Well you can also have elliptical orbits (which are just elongated circles). If you look at that curve, it\'s just a little less than half of an elliptical orbit. If Mars weren\'t there then the curve would keep going around until it reached it\'s starting point again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadshot462 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Interesting fact: When the Curiosity rover was launched, its trajectory was aimed to miss Mars. This way, the discarded booster misses and doesn\'t contaminate Mars, then the Curiosity\'s capsule can correct its course (with its own set of small engines) to be the only part of the entire rocket that actually gets to Mars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menelmacar Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 That\'s cool about Curiosity - I always do that! Especially when heading for the Mun, it\'s already covered with debris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobrodav Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 It seems Bi-elliptical to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibb31 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 There are no straight lines in spaceflight. You are always orbiting something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerDanger75 Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 Interesting fact: When the Curiosity rover was launched, its trajectory was aimed to miss Mars. This way, the discarded booster misses and doesn\'t contaminate Mars, then the Curiosity\'s capsule can correct its course (with its own set of small engines) to be the only part of the entire rocket that actually gets to Mars.That\'s pretty interesting. I usually do the opposite, so my debris will just blow up. Not quite the same IRL =P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentMcConnell Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 Flying to Mars and the Moon is technically NOT a Hohmann transfer. There\'s another word for it, and Bob Braeunig referred it to me, but now I can\'t remember. Let me do a little digging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daving Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Just googling transfer orbits points me to a one-tangent burn transfer. Is that the term you were looking for or something else?Also, what\'s with this nonsense of having to fill in a captcha with each post? Isn\'t that why we have to register? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Also, what\'s with this nonsense of having to fill in a captcha with each post? Isn\'t that why we have to register?This is to further prevent spam bots, when you reach 5 posts it will disappear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentMcConnell Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Yeah. I forgot to comment here. I remembered the name of the term. It\'s called a 'One-Tangent Burn.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khrissetti Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Wow, a surprisingly simple orbit, I usually expect RL missions to involve two or three slingshots. I reckon I could set up a shot like that!Also, I was surprised Mercury\'s orbit is quite so eccentric (Then I remember it\'s close to 20% eccentricity and I\'m surprised I was surprised.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustymcclintock Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Wow, a surprisingly simple orbit, I usually expect RL missions to involve two or three slingshots. I reckon I could set up a shot like that!Also, I was surprised Mercury\'s orbit is quite so eccentric (Then I remember it\'s close to 20% eccentricity and I\'m surprised I was surprised.)yo dawg I heard you like surprises, so I surprised your surprise with a surprise.OT: interesting fact, When i first saw this it appeared as gobbledy goop, had no idea what was going on, which was unfortunate as I love space more than space core from portal 2...months later I played ksp and returned and understood exactly what what occurring. Educational video games for the WIN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdfox Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Wow, a surprisingly simple orbit, I usually expect RL missions to involve two or three slingshots. I reckon I could set up a shot like that!Slingshots are used for only two reasons:1) To reduce total delta-V required by the gravity-assist method, allowing you to use a smaller booster for a given payload, and To allow for multiple planetary encounters on a probe mission by having each slingshot act as a mid-course correction.If you\'re just going for a single trip, and have plenty of delta-V, then a simple transfer orbit is quicker and easier to do. The Apollo missions used a simple (though high-speed) transfer orbit to go to the Moon, rather than attempting to use some sort of slingshot; Pluto New Horizons, to get to its destination in a reasonable timeframe, used a direct transfer orbit rather than slingshots, too. In fact, other than the Pioneer 10/11 and Voyager probes using slingshots for their 'grand tour' trajectories, the slingshot technique wasn\'t really used until the 1980s, when limited delta-V combined with ambitious missions meant that Galileo and Cassini had to use multiple inner-planet slingshots to reach Jupiter and Saturn. (New Horizons is a simple probe along the lines of Pioneer and Voyager, and with the use of an Atlas V Heavy, we had more than enough delta-V to get it there on a simple transfer--in fact, it was a direct ascent, with it being the fastest thing humans have ever put into flight, passing lunar orbital radius a mere *18 hours* after launch!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunniy Korabl Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 What? New Horizons did use a slingshot... Jupiter pretty much gives away delta-v in exchange for you doing some maths to make it work. Plus there\'s the science value in making additional observations/calibrating your instruments on route to the main mission objective. It took this wonderful sequence of images from Io.Also New Horizons isn\'t technically in a transfer orbit, that would take even longer, it\'s in an escape trajectory that will fly by Pluto on the way out of the solar system. They\'re actually hunting for another Kuiper belt object beyond pluto that they can get to with minimal course correction after the flyby to get even more bang for buck out of the probe, but so far nothing has been found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yourself Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 The Apollo missions used a simple (though high-speed) transfer orbit to go to the Moon, rather than attempting to use some sort of slingshot;Apollo didn\'t use a slingshot because there\'s nothing to slingshot around to get you to the moon. Your only real choice is a straight transfer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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