political science question

[fireblade274]

Guys i got my friend next to me needing help with her political science paper. Could we get some input on this question if you have a moment? : Why don't personal values transfer into policy outcomes?"

 

[kiwi1960]

20 minutes ago, fireblade274 said:

Guys i got my friend next to me needing help with her political science paper. Could we get some input on this question if you have a moment? : Why don't personal values transfer into policy outcomes?"

 

Because making policy on personal values is wrong.... today, its all about the almighty dollar.... money and values are two very different things.

BTW ... your signature... Enginearing .. its spelt Engineering LOL (I know I know... move on.... )

Edited April 3, 2016 by kiwi1960

[WinkAllKerb'']

you can give your friend thoose links wich are good to start with:

https://www.nyfa.edu/acting-school/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storytelling
 

& then you can get deeper with this:

https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/shenanigan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geopolitics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secrecy
 

and eventually this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Information_Act_(United_States)

 

happy sharing and reading ; )

 

 

Edited April 3, 2016 by WinkAllKerb''

[Bill Phil]

Because personal values can conflict with the laws that can't be changed. Or they simply can't overcome the others.

[Ten Key]

Policy affects everyone. Personal values are personal. Laws and policy need to be "one size fits all", whereas personal values can be more restrictive, since they don't extend beyond a single individual. 

[Raven Industries]

Personal values interfere with the goal of making the government extremely hard to understand.

[HebaruSan]

19 hours ago, fireblade274 said:

Guys i got my friend next to me needing help with her political science paper. Could we get some input on this question if you have a moment? : Why don't personal values transfer into policy outcomes?"

What are your friend's thoughts on the question so far? It's probably best to start there and exchange feedback rather than throwing out ideas that depend on my own worldview and assumptions.

[fireblade274]

Well she's back at her place now and I don't really care anymore lol. I'm not very interested in political science, I'd rather think about what brings individuals to their own conclusions when forming their own beliefs, political, spiritual, and everything in-between.

My input to her on the subject was that:

1. People in office tend to want to stay in office.

2. If it is a general population that elects these people into office, those in office will want to cater to the idea's shared by the majority of the population in question.

3. In doing so, those people in office will tend to enact edicts held in favor by the majority of the population, over ideas and beliefs held by the actual individual in office.

17 hours ago, WinkAllKerb'' said:

you can give your friend thoose links wich are good to start with:

https://www.nyfa.edu/acting-school/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storytelling
 

& then you can get deeper with this:

https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/shenanigan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geopolitics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secrecy
 

and eventually this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Information_Act_(United_States)

 

happy sharing and reading ; )

 

 

I literatly just looked at those links just now and bowled over laughing, i had to show my roommate lol, in particular the last part about the freedom if information act.

But you know, they have ways of getting around that too, with only the slightest amount of foresight needed.

Edited April 4, 2016 by fireblade274

[HebaruSan]

3 minutes ago, fireblade274 said:

Well she's back at her place now and I don't really care anymore lol. I'm not very interested in political science, I'd rather think about what brings individuals to their own conclusions when forming their own beliefs, political, spiritual, and everything in-between.

My input to her on the subject was that:

1. People in office tend to want to stay in office.

2. If it is a general population that elects these people into office, those in office will want to cater to the idea's shared by the majority of the population in question.

3. In doing so, those people in office will tend to enact edicts held in favor by the majority of the population, over ideas and beliefs held by the actual individual in office.

But wouldn't those edicts then follow the "personal values" of the mythical "average person"? I think it may be useful to focus more on the word "outcomes." Just because a policy says something, doesn't mean it will necessarily happen. The phrase that your friend's teacher is looking for may be "unintended consequences."

BTW, this whole thing is going to get deleted because discussing politics is not allowed on this forum.

[fireblade274]

3 minutes ago, HebaruSan said:

But wouldn't those edicts then follow the "personal values" of the mythical "average person"? I think it may be useful to focus more on the word "outcomes." Just because a policy says something, doesn't mean it will necessarily happen. The phrase that your friend's teacher is looking for may be "unintended consequences."

BTW, this whole thing is going to get deleted because discussing politics is not allowed on this forum.

_{Well maybe the mods will take pity on the innocence of the questions genesis lol}

I agree with you, just because a policy says something, doesn't mean it will necessarily happen. Look at the shifting tide in America on the prohibition of cannabis (pro). However, since (in this speculative, non-political science educated response) these edicts are enacted on the beliefs of the majority of the population, so it would make sense that if the average person, aka the majority of a population in question, thinks it's wrong to kill a bald eagle in the country, officials running for office will enact laws banning the killing of bald eagles, even if that persons personal belief is bald eagles are the scourge of the Earth. Because they are playing a game, which is called Elections. I don't think the average person is mythical, but is rather the the hypothetical individual that represents beliefs held by the majority of the population.

 

[InterCity]

I'd have a few theories:

• Politics is an extremely nasty business. Even on communal level, smear campaigns are extremely common, and wouldn't like to imagine what goes on behind the national level curtain. The thing is, whenever you try to do something out of your personal values (think trim corruption), it will probably get certain people angry. You don't want those people be angry. Which is why you settle on a compromise.
• Even if you somehow managed to pass through these people, most personal values do not translate well into policies. Think for example, "We need to support all the *insert personally preferred group*, because they're *insert personal reason*. Cool idea. But it's going to cost money. Truckloads of money. And it will probably make group B upset, because they want support too. You just might wind up losing the next election.
• Losing elections is bad for most people. Period. It makes life hard, you need to find a new job and (at least in my country), a public office is often a stigma to bear forever, lowering your chances to succeed in society.
• As said above, some personal beliefs alone are enough to make you lose the election.

I think there's a good example of this in House of Cards, namely congressman Peter Russo. Poor guy wants to give people jobs and to trim corruption, instead he winds up being stomped by those "Higher up the food chain" and, ultimately, murdered by them. If you're into politics, you should watch the show.

[fireblade274]

On 4/4/2016 at 2:32 PM, InterCity said:

 

I think there's a good example of this in House of Cards, namely congressman Peter Russo. Poor guy wants to give people jobs and to trim corruption, instead he winds up being stomped by those "Higher up the food chain" and, ultimately, murdered by them. If you're into politics, you should watch the show.

I've actually watched all 3 seasons of it, Spacey kills it I would watch the episodes back to back on Netflix. The first 2 seasons were amazing, but the 3rd felt kinda boring and made me lose interest  great show tho