GearsNSuch Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 9 hours ago, Nothalogh said: That would be needless cruelty, however, a nicely prepared landing pad with an X in the center would be polite And a little folding card table with drinks and snacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xd the great Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 10 hours ago, Nothalogh said: That would be needless cruelty, however, a nicely prepared landing pad with an X in the center would be polite "Is that landing pad operational? I mean, it has a giant X on it." "Nah, that's just our company logo." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wjolcz Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, CatastrophicFailure said: Those other guys have been trying to rekajigger Shuttle hardware into a disposable heavy lift rocket for decades now. This most recent attempt started in the early 2000’s, around the time SpaceX had their inaugural mariachi photo. More like the eighties, when the shuttle was still flying. 11 hours ago, CatastrophicFailure said: started work on the third prototype, Fourth*. I'm pretty sure I saw a photo of the first ring of the fourth prototype in a tent in BC somewhere on Teslarati. Edited October 27, 2019 by Wjolcz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 OTV-5 landed (launched by a Falcon 9). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nothalogh Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 14 hours ago, tater said: OTV-5, (launched by a Falcon 9). Wait, really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 13 minutes ago, Nothalogh said: Wait, really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 On 10/26/2019 at 11:13 PM, sevenperforce said: If it's lunar ice, do we call it the LICE age? You could but that would be nitpicking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 hours ago, KSK said: You could but that would be nitpicking. There needs to be a groan reaction instead of a like for this sort of thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GearsNSuch Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 25 minutes ago, tater said: 2 hours ago, KSK said: There needs to be a groan reaction instead of a like for this sort of thing It would give exactly pi/3 points of reputation. No truncating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wjolcz Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) I still can't believe Starship is actually going to happen. It's just so surreal that a huge steel construction is going to fly. Edited October 28, 2019 by Wjolcz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatastrophicFailure Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, tater said: There needs to be a groan reaction instead of a like for this sort of thing. The monkey’s face says it all... 1 hour ago, tater said: So... they’re not remounting the forward canards before restacking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuyWithALongUsername Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, CatastrophicFailure said: So... they’re not remounting the forward canards before restacking? That's what I was wondering- but they'll probably take this a bit slower than last time, and maybe there's still time to put the canards on before stacking? Really odd- they also need the actuators and everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 https://exrocketman.blogspot.com/2019/10/reverse-engineering-2019-version-of.html Interesting analysis. He can get 200t to LEO with SS depending on launch parameters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevenperforce Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 hours ago, tater said: Wait, did I miss the legs actually going on? I knew they installed the leg retraction/deployment mounts but I didn't realize the legs were actually installed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, sevenperforce said: Wait, did I miss the legs actually going on? I knew they installed the leg retraction/deployment mounts but I didn't realize the legs were actually installed. Yeah, there are images on NSF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nothalogh Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 6 hours ago, Wjolcz said: I still can't believe Starship is actually going to happen. It's just so surreal that a huge steel construction is going to fly. The revenge of every proposal from the '50s and '60s that were deemed "too crazy" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wjolcz Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, CatastrophicFailure said: So... they’re not remounting the forward canards before restacking? Maybe it's easier to remate it when the top part weighs less. After all, they need to put the batteries and other stuff in there so it makes sense to me to lower the risk of something going wrong. At the same time I don't doubt the crane could lift the whole thing assembled, but splitting the work into several tasks is probably wiser. Edited October 28, 2019 by Wjolcz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xd the great Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Does anyone know how Starship will maintain stability during skydiving sequence? From what I (a KSP player) see, center of drag is suspiciously too close to center of mass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nothalogh Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 21 minutes ago, Xd the great said: Does anyone know how Starship will maintain stability during skydiving sequence? From what I (a KSP player) see, center of drag is suspiciously too close to center of mass. I'd wager that is on purpose. Inherent instability combined with FBW control makes for maneuverability in all flight regimes all the way to transition to landing burn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuyWithALongUsername Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 45 minutes ago, Xd the great said: Does anyone know how Starship will maintain stability during skydiving sequence? From what I (a KSP player) see, center of drag is suspiciously too close to center of mass. Remember, it's a skydiver, not a plane. Think of the flaps more like VTOL engines, just using drag instead of thrust. You'd want the center of mass and drag to be pretty close in that instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xd the great Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Nothalogh said: I'd wager that is on purpose. Inherent instability combined with FBW control makes for maneuverability in all flight regimes all the way to transition to landing burn It needs airliner-like safety. is it a god idea to give it so much instability? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Industries Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, Xd the great said: It needs airliner-like safety. is it a good idea to give it so much instability? I think the airline comparison breaks down more often than we'd like. Space travel is inherently more dangerous than air travel, and vehicles meant for the space environment may need to break a few rules that airlines hold to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 8 minutes ago, Raven Industries said: I think the airline comparison breaks down more often than we'd like. Space travel is inherently more dangerous than air travel, and vehicles meant for the space environment may need to break a few rules that airlines hold to. Aircraft are actually flown enough that each has a real history. I think any attempts at that sort of reliability will take a great deal of actual flying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xd the great Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 12 minutes ago, Raven Industries said: I think the airline comparison breaks down more often than we'd like. Space travel is inherently more dangerous than air travel, and vehicles meant for the space environment may need to break a few rules that airlines hold to. Personally, I think starship needs to be able to survive a malfunctioning winglet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Industries Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 minute ago, tater said: Aircraft are actually flown enough that each has a real history. I think any attempts at that sort of reliability will take a great deal of actual flying. And possibly some impressive leaps in aerospace technology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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