Xemina Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 (edited) The SSTO Base Challenge: The SSTO base challenge is a challenge in which you will need to make a manned MK3 plane SSTO, and have a 2.5m permanent land base as cargo; And return the SSTO back to Kerbin safely! The ship can cost up to 150,000 (including base) , and the base has to be over 5 tonnes. The SSTO can only have RAPIERS or Nuke engines (or any for Eve); you are allowed to drop fuel tanks in cargo bay. The Base has to have at least 1 antenna, 2 docking ports and 3 solar panels. This is a fun challenge. You are allowed to use mods such as KWRocketry, TweakScale, and KER. Easy: 4 kerbals to Duna. Medium: 5 kerbals to Laythe.Hard: 7 kerbals to Dres.IMPOSSIBLE: 15 kerbals to Eve. EXTRA: Land the SSTO at runway Badge: Edited August 5, 2017 by Xemina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Kerman Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 On 7/23/2017 at 5:30 PM, DeltaVerb said: The SSTO Base Challenge: The SSTO base challenge is a challenge in which you will need to make an SSTO, and have a base as cargo; And return the SSTO back to Kerbin safely! The ship can cost as much as you need, but the base has to be over 5 tonnes. Easy: 4 kerbals to Duna. Medium: 5 kerbals to Dres.Hard: 7 kerbals to Eve.IMPOSSIBLE: 15 kerbals to Laythe. Uhh... I believe Eve is the "impossible" one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman17 Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 uh, i'll take the easy but i have some questions can i launch separate vehicles and dock in LKO? i can leave them in a permanent base? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xemina Posted July 26, 2017 Author Share Posted July 26, 2017 8 hours ago, Spaceman17 said: can i launch separate vehicles and dock in LKO? Yes i can leave them in a permanent base? Yes, that is what the challenge is based on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman17 Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 (edited) well somethings are clear, but... it's possible to make ssto in 0.25? can it be unmaned? also anyone has ideas for my avatar? Edited July 26, 2017 by Spaceman17 i forgot something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xemina Posted July 27, 2017 Author Share Posted July 27, 2017 12 hours ago, Spaceman17 said: can it be unmaned? No, I forgot to put that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman17 Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 oh well i'll try Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolotiyeruki Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Is there any sort of scoring system, or is this just a "for fun"-type challenge? Any limitations on parts or mods? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xemina Posted July 28, 2017 Author Share Posted July 28, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, zolotiyeruki said: Any limitations on parts or mods? No, only the crew number. And the base 5 tonnes or over. Edited July 28, 2017 by Xemina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plane Crazy Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Does it have to be an aircraft, or can it be a vertical SSTO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xemina Posted July 29, 2017 Author Share Posted July 29, 2017 12 hours ago, Plane Crazy said: oes it have to be an aircraft, or can it be a vertical SSTO? Plane type, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spricigo Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 (edited) On 29/07/2017 at 5:34 AM, DeltaVerb said: Plane type, yes. make the rules clear. or I will make my attemp with a SSTO spaceplane not much different than that one: Spoiler welll, jokes appart: Land Base or Orbital Base? Other than space for crew what else the base need to have (docking port, probecore, genarators,...)? The vessel need to be single stage to orbit or to destination? its allowed to carry the base in an external cargo pod? How about refuelling? Edited July 30, 2017 by Spricigo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevenperforce Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Well this should be simple enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xemina Posted July 30, 2017 Author Share Posted July 30, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, Spricigo said: Land Base or Orbital Base? Land. Other than space for crew what else the base need to have (docking port, probecore, genarators,...)? 2 Docking Ports, 1 Antenna and 3 Solar Panels. The vessel need to be single stage to orbit or to destination? Destination. its allowed to carry the base in an external cargo pod? No. How about refuelling? Yes. Edited July 30, 2017 by Xemina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevenperforce Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 8 hours ago, DeltaVerb said: Land Base or Orbital Base? Land. Other than space for crew what else the base need to have (docking port, probecore, genarators,...)? 2 Docking Ports, 1 Antenna and 3 Solar Panels. The vessel need to be single stage to orbit or to destination? Destination. its allowed to carry the base in an external cargo pod? No. How about refuelling? Yes. Hah! If what you wanted was "Deliver a base to Laythe with a single-stage spaceplane's cargo bay" you should have just said so from the start instead of adding all the arbitrary details at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spricigo Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 54 minutes ago, sevenperforce said: Hah! If what you wanted was "Deliver a base to Laythe with a single-stage spaceplane's cargo bay" you should have just said so from the start instead of adding all the arbitrary details at the end. Adding to this. People taking a challenge want to know the rules beforehand AND that those rules are sensible. If the challenge is to "delivery a land base to [destination] and return to Kerbin without losing parts" the destination Eve is not only hard, but out of limits. (well, except if ludicrous overpowered mods are allowed). And Laythe is also a much more convenient destination for a spaceplane than an Dres, even if the payload is double the size. Actually for the same payload Laythe is by far the easiest destination if you know a thing or two about gravity assists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevenperforce Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 36 minutes ago, Spricigo said: Adding to this. People taking a challenge want to know the rules beforehand AND that those rules are sensible. If the challenge is to "deliver a land base to [destination] and return to Kerbin without losing parts" the destination Eve is not only hard, but out of limits. (well, except if ludicrous overpowered mods are allowed). And Laythe is also a much more convenient destination for a spaceplane than an Dres, even if the payload is double the size. Actually for the same payload Laythe is by far the easiest destination if you know a thing or two about gravity assists. Bingo. I had already built a lovely VTOL rocket SSTO with a gigantic cargo bay and a nuclear-powered transfer vehicle...made it to Jool and was toying around with Tylo capture assists for Laythe insertion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevenperforce Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 This is why well-thought-out scoring is almost always an important part of challenges. A proper scoring system gives entrants something to optimize for. Otherwise you can just add MOAR BOOSTERS and be done with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xemina Posted July 31, 2017 Author Share Posted July 31, 2017 @Spricigo, There we go, updated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spricigo Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 19 minutes ago, DeltaVerb said: @Spricigo, There we go, updated! Sorry, but that is not enough to me. More relevant to your challenge: Quote What are we trying to do? You can tell a poorly thought out challenge from a mile away, if the first few posts are asking for details, you have done something wrong. Make sure you explain your challenge properly so players know what they are supposed to be doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xemina Posted July 31, 2017 Author Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) Hopefully now its OK! Edited July 31, 2017 by Xemina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xemina Posted July 31, 2017 Author Share Posted July 31, 2017 @Spricigo Now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevenperforce Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 This satisfies the challenge as originally defined, though obviously not with all the many add-ons since: Spoiler This is my SSTO, replete with chutes for landing because that's easier than propulsive landing. Really high thrust so I'm starting mid-gravity-turn. Blast off! Each core has twelve Vectors and a single Dart. Rapidly supersonic. Exoatmospheric apoapsis...now I'll just be fighting to get the nose down. Cut off 30 of the vectors to take advantage of the higher ISP of the Dart. Circularizing. Single stage to orbit: achieved! Cargo bay open. Payload deployment in 3, 2, 1... Deployed! Payload clear; flipping. Retroburn. This should be a good periapsis. Inflating aft heat shields. This was...very hot. The heat shields helped a lot, though. Through the heating. My drogues can go now. All chutes popped! Burning off some velocity to try and keep it the chutes from breaking. Down safely! Now, back to my payload. Planning the intercept. Lined up. Burning! This will actually take a couple of passes. Slow going. Watching my drop tanks carefully. Drop tanks expended. Drop tanks away! Transfer insertion complete. A respectable amount of fuel remaining. Refining periapsis. That should be close enough! Long transit. This might get hot so I'll just burn-capture rather than trying to set up an aerocapture. Raising orbit to be on the safe side. Burning for capture. Captured! Setting up an aerobraking flyby. Nice and tight. Brought my periapsis up above the atmosphere and then I'll just burn retrograde until I hit air. Retroburn has lowered significantly. This will be nice and hot. Still burning. Legs out for maximum braking. Getting hot! Getting very hot. Not gonna lie; I had to quicksave a LOT here. Will it burn? That is the question. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Still not captured. Capture! Can't believe I made it. This will splash down, I'm sure. Still burning hard. Through the worst of the heating, though. Yay! Nice shot of Jool. Burnout. Transfer stage jettison. First set of chutes out. Rest of my chutes out. Dropping, dropping... Splashdown! ' Technically a base! Of course now they're never coming back, so.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xemina Posted August 2, 2017 Author Share Posted August 2, 2017 MISSION FAILED! 1. It says Horizontal, Mk3 Plane SSTO 2. You have to return the ssto to kerbin (not base). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevenperforce Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 4 hours ago, DeltaVerb said: MISSION FAILED! 1. It says Horizontal, Mk3 Plane SSTO 2. You have to return the ssto to kerbin (not base). READING COMPREHENSION FAILED! 1. It says "challenge as originally defined"; you originally said SSTO and only later added the completely different requirements of HTOL. 2. I did return the SSTO to Kerbin. The base is on Laythe. What else do you think I did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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