Camacha Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 On 22/11/2016 at 7:36 PM, Slam_Jones said: I've noticed that the majority of what has been recommended in this thread is i5/i7 level... isn't an i7 major overkill for a gaming rig? I've also heard that the i3-6100 will still prove to be a very good entry-level CPU for the 1151 socket, yet I'm seeing people in this thread claiming that the i5 is the lowest you can go? Is the performance of an i3 THAT poor, or do people just enjoy spending more money (on a "starter" PC no less)? From all the reviews I've read, I imagine the i3 should be more than adequate for the time being. Some i3 chips can be rather nippy. As a high thread speed makes KSP happiest, the faster i3 chips can actually be a very good choice. Other games are much more multithreaded and can therefore utilize the power of an i5. Some modern games will benefit slightly from an i7 chip, but those are rare and the money is pretty much always better spent elsewhere. 7 hours ago, occ said: Also, will 75hz make a difference? Yes, if the rest of your hardware can provide enough frames. Coming from a 85 Hz CRT monitor, the difference between 60 and 75 Mhz was the difference between disappointment and very acceptable for me. I do have to note that this was on a slightly older LCD and that the technology improves quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
occ Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 (edited) I am running a Geforce GTX 960 atm, I am planning on upgrading a bunch of stuff after awhile though. I also have an i7-5820K CPU at 3.30 ghz (hexcore) I also have 32GB of RAM Edited November 23, 2016 by occ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legoclone09 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 (edited) On 11/22/2016 at 10:56 AM, Slam_Jones said: Due to having spent all 1,000+ hours of my KSP playtime on an AMD rig, I am often very inclined to create minimal-part-count ships. I imagine I won't get into the 1,000 part range or anything ridiculous like that with the i3-6100, but I'll be happy that I'll be able to get a few hundred more parts that I'm used to Nothing wrong with an AMD rig! Just got me an RX 480. Also, the AMD FX 8350 might run KSP well, 8 4GHz cores would run the physics well. Or an i7 Extreme. What are your full specs, Slam? Edited December 1, 2016 by legoclone09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camacha Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Is anyone excited about the release of the next AMD processor generation? Of course, at this stage it is mostly rumours and speculations, but one thing that stands out is that the chips will very probably not be cheap at all. That seems a strange thing to be happy about, but it would mean that AMD actually thinks it has a properly competing product. Q1 2017 is going to be fairly exciting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legoclone09 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Camacha said: Is anyone excited about the release of the next AMD processor generation? Of course, at this stage it is mostly rumours and speculations, but one thing that stands out is that the chips will very probably not be cheap at all. That seems a strange thing to be happy about, but it would mean that AMD actually thinks it has a properly competing product. Q1 2017 is going to be fairly exciting. Relevant to this is this post on r/pcmasterrace I was linked to earlier today. https://np.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/3s5r4d/is_nvidia_sabotaging_performance_for_no_visual/cwukpuc/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Iron Crown Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 27 minutes ago, legoclone09 said: Relevant to this is this post on r/pcmasterrace I was linked to earlier today. https://np.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/3s5r4d/is_nvidia_sabotaging_performance_for_no_visual/cwukpuc/ There is an astronomical amount of spin in that post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legoclone09 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 1 minute ago, Red Iron Crown said: There is an astronomical amount of spin in that post. I was mainly trying to show the part about the new Zen architecture and how it might be a lot better than it previous AMD processors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camacha Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, Red Iron Crown said: There is an astronomical amount of spin in that post. What spin? Intel played some very dirty tricks and got slapped on the wrist by a judge and had to pay AMD a big fine, even though it remains to be seen whether that covers all the damages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Iron Crown Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 I think I'd rather not drive this off topic. In some other thread, perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camacha Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 1 minute ago, Red Iron Crown said: I think I'd rather not drive this off topic. In some other thread, perhaps. It seems to be very much related to computer building, but whatever the case, I would hate to have people think that any of it is not true. The Intel compiler shenanigans was an abysmal trick to play and cause people problems to this very day. Fierce competition is good, but sabotaging the other party instead of fighting on the basis of your own merits does not only mean you are cheating the competition, but also that you are cheating every single customer of both companies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantab Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Intel have acted no worse than 99% of businesses would if they could. Anything to make money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legoclone09 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 18 minutes ago, cantab said: Intel have acted no worse than 99% of businesses would if they could. Anything to make money. Yep. Although, just because a lot of businesses would do it doesn't mean it's right. I do hope AMD makes a comeback though, if Zen is great I might upgrade to that instead of Intel sometime. On an i5 right now, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camacha Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 (edited) 21 minutes ago, cantab said: Intel have acted no worse than 99% of businesses would if they could. Anything to make money. While I do agree that commercial interests will always push some companies towards these kinds of strategies, your estimation of that being 99% of them is luckily overly pessimistic. A few tens of percents seems more likely. The larger the company, the larger the chances someone somewhere will come up with some kind of scheme. Luckily, with the news travelling at lightning speeds, companies are much more likely to get seriously hurt by doing this. Even share holder interests are not an argument, because share values will seriously get hurt when the news breaks. Just look at Volkswagen getting hurt this year. Even over a year later their stock prices have not recovered much, if any at all. Besides, I resent the implication that this is normal behaviour. It is not, as has been confirmed by a judge. Edited December 1, 2016 by Camacha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slam_Jones Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 (edited) 19 hours ago, legoclone09 said: Nothing wrong with an AMD rig! Just got me an RX 480. -snip- Also, the AMD FX 8350 might run KSP well, 8 4GHz cores would run the physics well. Or an i7 Extreme. What are your full specs, Slam? Very nice GPU there! Hope to get one myself in 2017 However my full specs are thus (each item linked to it's page on NewEgg): CPU: i3-6100 (not overclocked) MoBo: ASRock H170 (Socket 1151) RAM: 8gB DDR4 GPU: R9 270 2gb PSU: EVGA 500W HDD: WD Blue 1TB SSD: Samsung EVO 250gb Case: Thermaltake Level 10 GT Monitor: 43" LG 1080p Speakers: Logitech Z506 5.1 (Refurbished, but worked perfectly so far) Keyboard/Mouse: CM Storm Devastator / Victake 155984 (would not really recommend that mouse btw... scroll wheel died very quickly) --------------------------- Regarding about the upcoming AMD CPU line, I would have happily invested in it (and thus stayed with AMD) if they had released in time for the holiday season. Regardless, I'm still quite interested in how it turns out and wish them the best. As it is, upgrading to this i3 has been quite an improvement already, and I certainly can't say I regret the choice! Edited December 1, 2016 by Slam_Jones Fixed hyperlink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legoclone09 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 8 hours ago, Slam_Jones said: CPU: i3-6100 (not overclocked) MoBo: ASRock H170 (Socket 1151) RAM: 8gB DDR4 GPU: R9 270 2gb PSU: EVGA 500W HDD: WD Blue 1TB SSD: Samsung EVO 250gb Case: Thermaltake Level 10 GT Monitor: 43" LG 1080p Speakers: Logitech Z506 5.1 (Refurbished, but worked perfectly so far) Keyboard/Mouse: CM Storm Devastator / Victake 155984 (would not really recommend that mouse btw... scroll wheel died very quickly) Nice! Here's my list: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/legoclone09/saved/sRrrHx I'd look at r/buildapcsales for some sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adsii1970 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Getting ready to buy a new laptop. Does anyone have recommendations for an "off the shelf" one that would get the maximum quality on KSP? I need to keep the price to around $1000 U.S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDJ Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 (edited) Just wanted to chime in with a relatively inexpensive option for Mac users that want a decent computer to play KSP on. While my antiquated early 2008 iMac was clearly not up to the task, I picked up a late 2012 Mac Mini with these specs for $450. For a computer it's cheap thrills. It works quite well and can play the game at graphics settings around 50% with very little lag in the graphics and I'm able to do screen recording at the same time at a reasonable 40 FPS. I swapped out my SSD from the iMac (Samsung 850 Pro 256 gig) and dumped in the Kingston HyperX RAM (16 GB). Hardware Overview: Model Name: Mac mini Model Identifier: Macmini6,1 Processor Name: Intel Core i5 Processor Speed: 2.5 GHz Number of Processors: 1 Total Number of Cores: 2 L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB L3 Cache: 3 MB Memory: 16 GB BANK 0/DIMM0: Size: 8 GB Type: DDR3 Speed: 1600 MHz Status: OK Manufacturer: 0x0198 Part Number: 0x4B485831363030433953334C2F3847202020 Serial Number: 0x623663A3 BANK 1/DIMM0: Size: 8 GB Type: DDR3 Speed: 1600 MHz Status: OK Manufacturer: 0x0198 Part Number: 0x4B485831363030433953334C2F3847202020 Serial Number: 0x012E7188 Chipset Model: Intel HD Graphics 4000 Type: GPU Bus: Built-In VRAM (Dynamic, Max): 1536 MB Vendor: Intel (0x8086) Device ID: 0x0166 Revision ID: 0x0009 Metal: Supported Edited December 1, 2016 by GDJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legoclone09 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 3 hours ago, GDJ said: *snip* For that price you could easily build a better PC with a dedicated graphics card as well, here's a list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RsbTpb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDJ Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 (edited) 24 minutes ago, legoclone09 said: For that price you could easily build a better PC with a dedicated graphics card as well, here's a list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RsbTpb Well, yes and no. Better computer, graphically sure. Processor, maybe. You listed a dual core i3. I have the dual core i5. There is a speed difference in favour of the i3. Better price in CDN$, No. Total:$627.63 Edited December 1, 2016 by GDJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elthy Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Oh, for canadian dollars 450$ isnt a bad price, although im sure you could have gotten better hardware for that when buying used parts in a computer forum... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legoclone09 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 29 minutes ago, GDJ said: Well, yes and no. Better computer, graphically sure. Processor, maybe. You listed a dual core i3. I have the dual core i5. There is a speed difference in favour of the i3. Better price in CDN$, No. Total:$627.63 Oh, didn't know you were in Canadian. Yeah, better deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camacha Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, legoclone09 said: For that price you could easily build a better PC with a dedicated graphics card as well, here's a list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RsbTpb Yeah, not to make this into a Mac bashing thing, but that kind of money gets you a really decent bang-for-buck build. If you are willing to go second hand, you could build something that is not the latest and greatest when it comes to power consumption, but properly quick. Edit: oh, Monopoly money It makes it a better deal, though the relative qualities do not shift much. Edited December 1, 2016 by Camacha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legoclone09 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, Camacha said: Yeah, not to make this into a Mac bashing thing, but that kind of money gets you a really decent bang-for-buck build. If you are willing to go second hand, you could build something that is not the latest and greatest when it comes to power consumption, but properly quick. Edit: oh, Monopoly money It makes it a better deal, though the relative qualities do not shift much. Speaking of bang for your buck a GTX 660 can handle modern games at medium settings well. Great for being 5 years old! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDJ Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Elthy said: Oh, for canadian dollars 450$ isnt a bad price, although im sure you could have gotten better hardware for that when buying used parts in a computer forum... Well, the guy threw in the bluetooth Apple keyboard, mouse and USB3 DVD burner to go with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantab Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, GDJ said: Well, yes and no. Better computer, graphically sure. Processor, maybe. You listed a dual core i3. I have the dual core i5. There is a speed difference in favour of the i3. Better price in CDN$, No. Total:$627.63 More to the point, running OSX on non-Apple hardware is both technically and legally problematic. It's *possible*, sure, but I think most people with a need/want to run OSX are better off just getting a Mac. I mean, if someone told me that I could get a great deal on some hardware but installing Linux (my chosen main OS for close to 15 years now) on it would be both unduly difficult and possibly unlawful, I'd probably walk away. Edited December 1, 2016 by cantab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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