[WIP]United Launch Alliance Pack *V1.0RC1 Released*

[Chimer4]

it does have smooth shading, its just the way I made, some sharp edges remain. Those fairings though were more a placeholder than anything, imdoing some better ones. Also, I cannot for the life of me fix the CCB issue. I know what it is that causes the error messages, but when I tried to fix what I thought was causing it on the model, it appeared to make the issue worse :/ so I may need to completely redo the CCB to fix this, model, texture, the lot

[RocketTurtle]

it does have smooth shading, its just the way I made, some sharp edges remain. Those fairings though were more a placeholder than anything, imdoing some better ones. Also, I cannot for the life of me fix the CCB issue. I know what it is that causes the error messages, but when I tried to fix what I thought was causing it on the model, it appeared to make the issue worse :/ so I may need to completely redo the CCB to fix this, model, texture, the lot

Aw . Sorry.

[SouthPhilly]

@Chimer4...

Sorry I never got any info to you...

Day after I downloaded and installed your pack to test my son decide it was time to make his first appearance in this crazy world of ours!!!

If I can be any help just ask... after a week I'm starting to feel those stories I've heard about long sleepless nights... there really not stories...

[BlazingAngel665]

@Chimer4...

Sorry I never got any info to you...

Day after I downloaded and installed your pack to test my son decide it was time to make his first appearance in this crazy world of ours!!!

If I can be any help just ask... after a week I'm starting to feel those stories I've heard about long sleepless nights... there really not stories...

If you want to help test the Delta IV send me a PM and I will send you RC1. Other testers, anything to report? Bugs I should fix?

[Zaran]

Sent you a PM Blazing, Chimer4 do you need any more testers? I got some IRL downtime atm so I figure I can help with testing some mods. (I happen to be obsessive about detail too, so there is that...)

[Zaran]

Right so I am working on getting the Delta IV CCB and CSS balanced at the moment. On another forum I made this chart of ULA rockets, do you guys want to be balanced for IRL mass to LEO? It's hard to balance for GTO/GSO I find due to the downscale of Kerbin compared to Earth.

I currently have the Delta IV, CCB+CSS taking 13mass (well 12.7 and some spare, the 5,4 config stats) to 100km Kerbin orbit. Will readjust when the strap on solids are sent to me.

[Good_Apollo]

Should always be balanced around the game. I think it's best to start from realism and downscale to KSP and work from there.

The finer points of balance can always get worked out after a release as well. You'll have more feedback into what people seem to find works or doesn't work rather than your small group of testers amongst yourself.

[Zaran]

Agreed, I am just trying to get a feel for the performance needs of the rocket at the moment, heck KSP is rather hard to balance for. In the 13mass to 100km config if you fly it in a different launch profile with some careful throttle use it can just loft 20mass to 100km x 82km orbit.

Will be more able to work more on details once the SRB's are ready and the 4m CSS is ready to fly as well.

As for the Delta IV heavy, as the way it works IRL cannot be replicated in KSP (center engine runs throttled down with boosters on 100%) I am going to suggest creating a different part for the strap on boosters. The dedicated boosters should be short-fueled so they can be deposited off before the main core needs to be ditched.

[Chimer4]

In terms of balancing the Atlas, it's pretty much done. It can comfortably take a 6t payload to a 100 x 100km orbit with some fuel to spare, abd roughly 3t to 80 x 2686 km (that is a KTO right?) Still need to balance the solids, but that's on hold until I do something with the CCB. I could release it as it is, because the problem doesn't effect the game or it's performance in any way, it just makes the lag when you go to lunch a flight last a bit longer. If people are happy with that then I might release, but I'm still trying to find a fix/redo it

Also, I was thinking that seeing as the Delta CCB strap ons are run at 100% couldn't you specify them as SRB in the config, or include the throttle lock line, that way you can have those at 100% but throttle down the center stack

Edited June 19, 2013 by Chimer4
Swype lol

[MDBenson]

As for the Delta IV heavy, as the way it works IRL cannot be replicated in KSP (center engine runs throttled down with boosters on 100%) I am going to suggest creating a different part for the strap on boosters. The dedicated boosters should be short-fueled so they can be deposited off before the main core needs to be ditched.

You don't have to do that, just run the engines in cross-flow or link them outer >>> middle with fuel pipes and the outer engines will run out before the main one and the main one will run a full tank of fuel after that. I have run a good few boosters in similar config to the Delta IV Heavy (because I like it) and it works pretty well. It can in some cases reduce the payload capacity though using crossflow as it makes the post-strap-on-booster centre stage heavier, meaning lower TWR. I think it'd be better to just supply a common CBC and an optional nose-cone and let people work out the best way themselves. Like you say, it's not possible to run the game the way the Delta IV Heavy runs anyway due to the unified throttle control. There's no sense in making it more complicated than it needs to be.

[Chimer4]

The problem is that the Delta IV doesn't have fuel cross feed IRL, the core is just throttled down to save fuel. So if we want to go for as realistic as kerbally possible then that wouldn't work. Also cross feed would increase payload capacity, quite drastically I would think.

[Zaran]

Exactly, using crossfeed would make the rocket really overpowered for a replica pack. Nothing stopping someone from adding crossfeed on their own obviously but I am trying to think of ways to make the rocket work as it would IRL within the confines of KSP.

[CluelessModeler]

Sorry about my lack of correspondence, been pretty busy with school. However, work is continuing on the Delta II!!!

But, about the Delta IV thrust issue, you could just make 2 engines, same model, different config. Put different thrusts on them, the higher being for use on the strap on boosters. Then, if you ran the engines for the liftoff phase at say, 75%, you could still provide the same amount of thrust in total, and then after the strap on CBC's burn out, jettison them, then throttle up to 100%. Effectively getting the desired engine performance.

Would that be possible?

Edited June 19, 2013 by CluelessModeler
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[BlazingAngel665]

Exactly, using crossfeed would make the rocket really overpowered for a replica pack. Nothing stopping someone from adding crossfeed on their own obviously but I am trying to think of ways to make the rocket work as it would IRL within the confines of KSP.

I am solving the problem! WOOT! I am adding fuel into the inter stage (and nosecones for that matter) The different amounts of fuel will allow the rocket to fly more accurately. Zaran has been working very hard and so everyone needs to give him a round of applause. First release before the weekend. No that isn't a release date. Yes it's a promise.

[Chimer4]

How do people feel about the Atlas V? I will be able to release with blazing angel if I release the dodgy CCB. The rest is pretty much done, but if I am going to fix the CCB, I will probably release later. Also the release will be both 400 and 500 series with SRBs

[RocketTurtle]

How do people feel about the Atlas V? I will be able to release with blazing angel if I release the dodgy CCB. The rest is pretty much done, but if I am going to fix the CCB, I will probably release later. Also the release will be both 400 and 500 series with SRBs

Quite fine, I haven't noticed any lag other than my usual lag. (Darn 7750). .

[Chimer4]

If you compare it to something without the CCB, you can notice it. Also use Alt + F2 to open the log and you'll notice it then lol

[RocketTurtle]

One more thing, I seem to have noticed, if you're on the launchpad and it's night, and say you want it day, with most rockets if they're not moving you can timewarp faster than 4x, but with the Atlas V, the stages seem to SLIDE apart, I can't really explain, I'll post some pics, but it's almost like... eh, I'll go take pics now.

EDIT I just tried on my non-gaming comp 'cause I'm not at my house, and it didn't happen... I guess it's my hardware or something.

Edited June 20, 2013 by RocketTurtle

[RocketTurtle]

Chimer4, do you still exist or were you vaporized my the space laser satellite I just sent up with the Atlas V, anyways, can you check your PM, please.

[Chimer4]

I'm still here, just been really busy with work, I haven't had any time to do anything really. I'm still redoing the CCB

[Zaran]

Just dropping a note to say I may be AFK for a few days, my gaming HDD just gave up (mechanical issue with the read/write head in the drive) so I dont have a computer with any games on it currently (and no real space for installing games on the Docs/Work or OS drives either )

[RocketTurtle]

Just dropping a note to say I may be AFK for a few days, my gaming HDD just gave up (mechanical issue with the read/write head in the drive) so I dont have a computer with any games on it currently (and no real space for installing games on the Docs/Work or OS drives either )

Dang, that sucks, hope you can do something soon. I REALLY hope my HDD doesn't quit... I have EVERYTHING on it... EVERYTHING. It's the only drive I have other than my recovery drive... so... yeah.

[Kerbal01]

For the next version,

Are you going straight to a public release or another round of tester pack testing?

[BlazingAngel665]

@Rocket Turtle, @Darth Vader

I need your testing results. . .

[Kerbal01]

I haven't gotten around to testing yet,gimme a few hours