DerekL1963 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 I think that the major problem with a "wet workshop", at least as far as NASA is concerned, isn't so much with the technological challenges, but the internal/external/political forces.Nope. It's the technical, technological, and operational challenges and the high costs they bring with them.The heaviest parts. Also the insulation cabling, and structure are included here. It's the just the furniture and appliances that need to be transported up separately. They do not weigh nearly as much as the actual structure of the house.That's true of your house. It's not true of a space station, not one with any useful capacity and worth the cost however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Goddess Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 is it just me or has this mod attracted a cult following even though it is unfinishedYou think this is bad, take a look at FlexRack (formally KASPAR) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betaking Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 the "technical challenges" could be overcome with a bit of actual effort, and not just minor studies every few years. At least as far as converting stages that hydro-lox are concerned. Hypergolic and hydrocarbon -using stages I understand as actually being beyond possible to convert due to specific issues with those fuels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awaras Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 What happened to Nova? Is he even still around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wahgineer Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 As with Der Kosmos above... your theory fails to take into account anything even remotely resembling engineering reality. Anything installed in the tank before hand needs to be able to survive whatever the tank is filled with (cryogenics, kerosene, or worse yet some of the hypergolics). They need to be engineered so that none of it comes loose and interferes with the flow of the contents of the tank (and since it's immersed in liquid, the loads are higher than if it were simply in air). They need to be designed so that they don't trap (and subsequently outgas) any of the tanks contents (a serious problem with H2, kerosene, or worse yet some of the hypergolics, a potential fire hazard in the case of LOX). They need to not interfere with any of the slosh modes inside the tank in such a way as to cause destructive vibrations... etc... etc...That's what the bladders are for!! (see post #142, it kinda relates to my second post) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helix935 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 You think this is bad, take a look at FlexRack (formally KASPAR)hmm maybe so but unlike wet workshops, Flex Rack has no release yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecha Pants Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 In using these, I've never launched the workshop contents seperately, not only does it tend to glitch out, it just never made sense. I see no reason to perform a second launch when I can essentially pack all the supply contents into the top section of the stage and perform a marginally heavier launch. I wouldn't try to have any internal rooms or structure pre-installed while fuel is in the tank, I would however have simple tab A into slot B internal fittings preassembled and stacked pancake style in the top. Depending on how much fuel space is sacrificed for equipment, you could easily pack in computers and other assets as well, all in the top portion of the tank. No need for complicated internal structure beyond having one internal wall section reinforced and bolted in to carry the load of the other equipment on top of it.Once in orbit, the internal fuel bladders and fuel lines would need to be removed and packed into some module for deorbiting (perhaps even a lower sub-stage, using the engine of the lifting stage) and some sealing would need to be performed, but you'd be left with a mostly empty cylinder, from there it'd be fairly straightforward to move the internal walls down, one at a time from the top to their intended positions. If the connections for ventilation were already installed in the wall sections it would be just a simple to run accordion-style ducting from section to section.. I feel like I may need to produce some sort of picture.. it's really easy for me to picture in my head. Googling lift-slab construction and looking at that might help, only instead of pouring a slab and then lifting it up and bolting it in for each floor, you'd be lowering preconstructed sections down from the top and bolting them in place.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durabys Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) So. This is dead? Nova has "Former ev" on his profile and is working on the Artemis mod..so he theoretically should have time to somehow polish this. Edited January 15, 2014 by Durabys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecha Pants Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 I think the silence here speaks for itself. That being said, Nova has posted in Lunaran's Wetworks crew tank thread offering code access should they desire to use it. So the wet workshop idea is still moving forward.Link HERE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durabys Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Hooray! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsht9 Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 is it just me or has this mod attracted a cult following even though it is unfinishedIs it just me or has this GAME attracted a cult following even though it is unfinished Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helix935 Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Is it just me or has this GAME attracted a cult following even though it is unfinished yes i agree but first of all i advise against this necro considering this is most definitely dead...now back to making ECLSS configs.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specialist290 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Given this indeed seems to be inactive, I'm going to be locking the thread. Please don't revive old threads without a good reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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