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andrew123

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Here's why... when I read through most other forums, all I see are ill-conceived statements that are inconsiderate to the feelings or opinions of others. One particulary extreme example is military photos... http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?229257-Japan-to-mull-pre-emptive-strike-ability-in-defense-update/page4 I mean, I know that some people say stupid things, but some forums are just a complete waste of precious bandwidth... What forums do you hate the most, and why? I'd like to here your stories. :) (One person summed my opinions up pretty well http://www.aneclecticmind.com/2008/04/11/why-forums-suck/#.UfQN_42cdqU)

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What forums do you hate the most, and why?

This one:

forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com

No, i'm not joking. At first, this forum was okay. Everything was just fine. But over time the moderators have transformed into what they are today: absolute screwballs. Some of them close threads without giving a reason. How does the creator and/or commentors know what they did wrong and how to improve on it? It's like going to an artist and saying their painting sucks. No reasons, nothing to improve on. Same with these signature "Deal With It" things they use when somebody violates the signature rules. At least tell them what they did wrong so they can opt for a different choice of words or find a way to shrink things down.

There's a whole list of things I could write, but an essay big enough to adequately express and cntain all of my frustrations and hates would be at least 1 terabyte in size. Let's just say 50 to 75 percent of it would be a very passionate rant about chobit-389. The rest would be a very passionate rant on the cult mentality of this forum and how everybody's been convinced that this is the best community ever.

I used to be active on this forum, visiting 10-20 times a day, but I maybe visit twice a month nowadays. Here are some reasons why, quoted from people from that blog post you linked to.

"I think another issue when using forums is the flock mentality…there will be one or two “senior posters†who have 36746364536 posts and therefore consider themselves experts on all things related to the subject, because, you know, who needs to be educated when you can copy and paste information off of Wikipedia to argue your point? Surely 36746364536 posts are equivalent to a college degree, lol. The problem is, a lot of the other forum users will sort of idolize these “senior posters†and take everything they say as gospel. Heaven forbid one disagree with the law of the land…it truly is disheartening.

I recently took part in a forum that was filled with obviously pathetic, self-loathing people who had nothing better to do with their time than to make everyone miserable. So, I left, which is sad, because I am an expert on the subject and have the education to back it up. They can continue their illogical rantings and I will just go back to speaking to live people who can’t hide behind a computer monitor. " -Friend. That is his real name, by the way

"Basically, much erroneous information exists with no supporting fact of URL to point the user to the research medium." -guitarvenue

"The moderator even has openly said that he doesn’t accept constructive criticism and only likes people if they do not make him angry." -Mr Comment

"What do you call it when a forum has an elite group that likes to treat newbies as trash for the slightest infractions:

If you do something in an online forum that will be equal to a simple ‘traffic ticket’ in Real Life the mods sometimes act like you just killed somebody.

Then when the ‘Elite’ forum members post ruder responses then whatever infractions I broke the Elite members don’t get punished at all." -Mr Comment

"...(in group). where they group seem to conspire with the mods to put newbies down who break the slightest TOS…………even if you can tell the person didn’t know what they were doing and may have just had a bad day.

They have staff members who you can’t really tell their intentions when a properly moderated forum the staff members post along side the newbies and try to encourage conversation.

The staff their do none of the above to make a forum a better place and seem to enjoy driving i[m]perfect people away.

" -Kyle

" Seems to me that forums have a ‘yes group’ when it comes to comments.

Either everyone agrees to popular comments or you are the forum ‘weirdo’.

I tend to not waste my time with forums anymore as that’s all I see." -Kyle

"No matter what the forum is unless it’s meant for professionals if the topic is unusual no matter how related to the topic it is you will either get ignored or made fun of for being “the black sheepâ€Â

Like I said often times the responses are worse then whatever spam or violations the OP might have done and the mods will treat you as if you raped someone and should be put in SuperMax doing hard time:

When peopel who post topics that are “black sheep†I think people only look at one or two sentences and blow it out of proportion instead of reading between the lines or so to speak[.]" -Kyle

"This happened to me today after a post, someone who knew nothing about me, launched what I perceived as a personal attack, because they claimed my comment was a personal attack against them and accused me of being jealous of them and blah, blah, blah.

I have no idea who this person is, and they don’t know anything about me, so I sat there reading the response thinking “Dude, you know nothing about me, nor I about you, so how can you say these things and make these judgments about what I do or do not own compared to what you own, and what you do for a living?†I have a feeling that there is a lack of social etiquette due to the internet and anonymity it provides people, so they feel they can blast away at anyone and say anything they want to attack others because repercussions are non-existent in forums." -Joel

"Moderating comments can also be taken as a “I want to be proven right and I will not tolerate any other views on my forum/chatroom/blog/email†sort of attitude but I know you are not that way so I am not bitching at you. That is a growing trend on YouTube where uploaders block comments that are contrary to their political view or have the slightest criticism. Trolls come in all shapes and sizes and it’s a very retarded thing to stereotype trolls." -Kyle

"I’ve noticed that topics that get the most replies are ones people spend time on and if you are aloof but still stick to the topic you will get ignored or made fun of unless it’s either gross topics or “Which product/character is better†topics

If you try to be middle pathed you can pretty much kiss (insert forums here) goodbye and shouldn’t waste your time posting." -Kyle

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Indeed, Mun. It got awful, then Ted made it better, and then his departure made it worse again. Still, you can't criticize them publicly, because that's a ban, and if you criticize them in PMs nothing happens. It's an amusing dead end.

Nonetheless, you mustn't forget the good things they've done. They got rid of the MLP and furry threads, and they eventually got around to banning Chobit.

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Flymetothemun

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Indeed, Mun. It got awful, then Ted made it better, and then his departure made it worse again. Still, you can't criticize them publicly, because that's a ban, and if you criticize them in PMs nothing happens. It's an amusing dead end.

Nonetheless, you mustn't forget the good things they've done. They got rid of the MLP and furry threads, and they eventually got around to banning Chobit.

Yeah, they've done a ton of good things. I just hate how the mods talk down to people. Whoever pushed the button to ban Chobit, salute.

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I think they should at least take constructive criticism. Like I said, "ERMAHGRD YU MODDZZZ SUCKK!" in't very helpful, but "I think you could've closed that thread in a nicer way. Instead of insulting the user, you could've told him what he did wrong." is much better and helps them improve.

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I think this forum is pretty good, I mean not perfect, sure, but what forum is? There'll always be problems. But I like to come here, it's nice, and I spend most of my time in the science labs. I don't think people are condescending even though I know a lot less than most of them, it's a nice sort of mostly personal argument free zone, I never feel angry here, and I often find myself feeling angry at people on other forums for showing massive amounts of hypocrisy, bigotry and generally jerk attitudes, as well as refusing to listen to anyone.

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I consider KSP forums to be within the acceptable boundaries. Heck, if you want to see "elite" forum people with tons of post mercilessly shooting down threads with personal attacks and ad hominems included then feel free to visit http://forum.elitekingdoms.com, not to mention that - from my tenure there as a forum member - any threads posted there can devolve into a flame war since the mods don't care about it. Case in point: Check out this thread. Note the shooter's attitude and join date.

Not to mention some other forums I came through where it is allowed for the people to have a signature than can pretty much eat up a good chunk of your computer screen.

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Here's one. Might cause your IQ to drop a point or two. Proceed with caution.

WHY?! WHY DID I READ THIS! Ew, that was the worst 20 minutes ever, now I have a headache. ;.;

"What's beyond Antarctica?"

"Beyond the icy bounds of the Southern Circle, lies a vast circular ocean, and beyond that the forbidden continent, Antichtone; any ship or plane will reach the Aether Screen and go around this landmass by accident. Admiral R. Byrd discovered that Antichtone/Atlantis had lakes, forests, mammoths and hills covered with vegetation, far inland - exactly what was seen by the Nazis during their 1938-1939 expedition." Seems legit.

As to the original topic, Bungie.net. The games forums were filled with people complaining and the off-topic forums were filled with spammers. Lasted about 2 weeks before I jumped ship.

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Bungie.net is... unique, to quantify my experience there... but that's not in a good connotation at all. All they do is flame and nag each other until the thread becomes a fight of egos, and the only really on topic and focused threads were in the most random places. Another forum you might want to check out is this:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/conspiracy-theories/119329-evidence-that-the-south-korean-ship-was-sunk-by-israel.html

If your brain dies from reading that thread, I don't blame you. Those threads are just daymares... and they will twist your definition of the words idiot and conspiracy.

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You people have scarred me for life. I myself have also heard of a pretty bad one, but I'm too afraid to go and link to it. I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.

Got it! I knew that eleven foot pole I bought at Home Depot would come in handy.

http://www.ammoland.com/

It's not necessarily a forum, but users can post comments on articles, so you can still appreciate how poor the quality of discourse is in some parts of America. Why can't we be more like you, Canada, UK, and Australia? We suck at this. :(

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Have you seen the twitter hash tags in the UK? There are a wealth of them bashing either Muslims or foreigners (Although they are mostly by racist and idiotic 12 year old kids, although not all kids are like that)... I bet if those people were gone, they would try bashing the next subset of people. Well, there's a reason I tend to stay off of most social media platforms and blogs.

Well, I guess we've all seen our share of bad websites then.

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Have you seen the twitter hash tags in the UK? There are a wealth of them bashing either Muslims or foreigners (Although they are mostly by racist and idiotic 12 year old kids, although not all kids are like that)... I bet if those people were gone, they would try bashing the next subset of people. Well, there's a reason I tend to stay off of most social media platforms and blogs.

Trending hashtags are also pretty much f'd up here in PH, plagued by famewhores and some other stuff we can't comprehend. We locally call them "jeje trends".

BOT:

Say hello to the forum that (apparently) tolerates racism (note the dude's large signature in comic sans). I don't know if it just went unnoticed, or whatsoever. Image grabbed from someone that reported the person in question.

NG8pO.jpg

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Wait, can someone tell me what happened to chobit-389?

I don't know either, probably voluntary ban or whatsoever. Can't assume...

Anyway, quoting from the page posted in OP (and somewhat complimenting Flymetothemun's post):

For example, someone in a forum might say that he’s had a lot of good experience with Product A to solve a specific problem mentioned in a forum. A proponent of competing Product B might come forward and accuse the other person of being stupid for using Product A, or that Product A is for morons. He won’t provide any facts to back up his argument or, if he does, the facts will be, in reality, more opinions. His purpose is not to provide useful information to other participants or even to answer the original question. His purpose is to bash Product A and the person who suggested it as a solution.

Let "Product A" be "MechJeb" and "Product B" as "Manual Flying", then throw in some other relevant stuff. I'm pretty sure you have seen these situations here before...

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He was incredibly rude to other users and was a Nazi sympathizer. I'm surprised how long it took the moderators to ban him.

Disappointing I can't give rep points in this thread Nutt mate :)

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He was incredibly rude to other users and was a Nazi sympathizer. I'm surprised how long it took the moderators to ban him.

In addition, he was power-hungry and thought he was the be-all end-all of the Fan forum. He also couldn't take even a micron of criticism and if you did criticize he would say that you were either jealous or he would whine like a baby. I think the power (Being on top of the fan forum all the time) went to his head. On a personal note, he made me afraid to put art on there, all with his rudeness and such.

Disappointing I can't give rep points in this thread Nutt mate k_smiley.gif

Me too

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It's not one or two point that I lost, but my sanity !!

You have been forwarned. Also, this, while not a forum, might cause you a desire to shoot yourself in the head.

I seem to be fairly new. What happened to the MLP threads and the Furry threads, and what did chobit do?

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He was incredibly rude to other users and was a Nazi sympathizer. I'm surprised how long it took the moderators to ban him.

Though I didn't saw some of his (her?) insanity.

And according to Ted (original post here):

Hey all,

This thread has been a lot of fun, and I'm sure it has been a great place for you guys to discuss your interest along with KSP. However, as the Community grows, we have to realise that some things just can't be continued, such as Fan Threads. This can be for a variety of reasons, such as posters remaining in one board when there is an entire Forum to explore, not to mention the sheer Moderation resources that megathreads like this consume. We want you to know that the closure of this thread is nothing against the MLP Community, or the posters of this thread; it is simply a decision that must be made.

Best Regards.

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