What do you think of Deus Ex like augmentations?

[EvilotionCR2]

I'm talking about that ones that REPLACE your organs.Not about things that allow blind people see again like normal ones or people born with no arms or so.

I personally dislike them,because people with them would be stronger,faster,and or more intelligent,and poor people could not afford them and would do mostly work like cleaning or so.

I think that Deus Ex HR augmentation trailer is in place here:

http://www.sarifindustries.com/en/

EDIT:Also,in Deus Ex HR there is a drug that you need to take because othervise your body will reject your augmentations.

Edited August 4, 2013 by EvilotionCR2

[Awaras]

So basically, you want to ban augments (and genetic engineering, as I can see in the other thread) because the rich people will have an advantage over poor people? How is that any different from any other technology ever? I mean, indoor plumbing used to be something only rich people can afford. As with anything, with mass usage the cost would go down untill almost anyone can afford augments.

[EvilotionCR2]

So basically, you want to ban augments (and genetic engineering, as I can see in the other thread) because the rich people will have an advantage over poor people? How is that any different from any other technology ever? I mean, indoor plumbing used to be something only rich people can afford. As with anything, with mass usage the cost would go down untill almost anyone can afford augments.

I didn't think of that,but I still dislike them.

EDIT:Also,in Deus Ex Universe,you need to take one drug (I forgot what it's called) because othervise your body will reject the augmentations.And it's hightly addictive.

Edited August 4, 2013 by EvilotionCR2

[drakesdoom]

It is not highly addictive, just that without it you experience rejection and since so much of you is now fake you die. Also you knew this when you got the implants to start with so no one is tricking you into anything.

[CaptainBlue]

Hmm, are you aware that people NOW who have their internal organs replaced(oh, the usual. Liver and kidney, etc.) have to take anti-rejection drugs too?

[EvilotionCR2]

Hmm, are you aware that people NOW who have their internal organs replaced(oh, the usual. Liver and kidney, etc.) have to take anti-rejection drugs too?

Yes of course.

[Seret]

I think it'll be a long time before most people are ready for this. We already see quite a lot of cybernetic implants, but they're pretty much exclusively for therapeutic purposes (pacemakers, hip joints, etc). I don't think there's any demand for elective cybernetics, and TBH it'll be a long, long time before we're able to make anything that's better than what mother nature equips us with.

I used to play Cyberpunk and it was a cool idea for a game, I think this one is going to stay in the realms of sci-fi for now.

[palker]

I would not take the ones that replace your limbs, rather i would take some memory/social/intelligence enhancer. Also i would not use them if they required some substance like neuropozine to prevent your body from rejecting them.

[Grove]

I didn't think of that,but I still dislike them.

EDIT:Also,in Deus Ex Universe,you need to take one drug (I forgot what it's called) because othervise your body will reject the augmentations.And it's hightly addictive.

The Nupoz is needed only in the DX:HR, because of the research Megan was doing on Adam. (Adam was born with genes that don't reject augs.)

[Britpoint]

I love this stuff. Consider me a trans-humanist in waiting. Technology is what has allowed mankind to thrive on this planet and it is the continual advancement of technology that will allow us to endure far into the future. I'd be pretty happy to replace my arms and legs with bionic versions - after a suitably lengthy period of development and trials to demonstrate safety of course - and as long as I maintained the sensation of touch I wouldn't look back.

We've already seen some of the debates that can arise from such technology occur in real life already - Oscar Pistorius competing against able bodied athletes was rather controversial. OK, he never threatened to win the gold or anything, but if his replacement legs can allow him to compete now, then they'll probably allow him to win in five years. So obviously for sport there's the issue of fairness. Then you have the potential of a new class system arising as demonstrated in DX:HR, but as Awaras says above I don't see it being so different from any other technology. It will be important for government to get involved early on and make sure the research, development and distribution of these 'augmentations' is properly regulated.

[The Jedi Master]

REPLACE my organs? No thanks.

[Awaras]

I think it'll be a long time before most people are ready for this. We already see quite a lot of cybernetic implants, but they're pretty much exclusively for therapeutic purposes (pacemakers, hip joints, etc). I don't think there's any demand for elective cybernetics, and TBH it'll be a long, long time before we're able to make anything that's better than what mother nature equips us with.

I used to play Cyberpunk and it was a cool idea for a game, I think this one is going to stay in the realms of sci-fi for now.

Actually there is already a thriving community of so called body modders that do a lot of weird things to their bodies. One of the weirdest is implanting magnets in the tips of their fingers that let them sense electromagnetic fields. They can literally feel if current is flowing through a cable or not. I think they would gladly embrace this kind of technology.

That said, I believe that we will be able to grow replacement limbs and organs from the patient's own tissue long before we are able to make artificial organs that match or are better than natural ones.

Edited August 4, 2013 by Awaras

[OtherDalfite]

Actually there is already a thriving community of so called body modders that do a lot of weird things to their bodies. One of the weirdest is implanting magnets in the tips of their fingers that let them sense electromagnetic fields. They can literally feel if current is flowing through a cable or not. I think they would gladly embrace this kind of technology.

I actually saw a thread containing exactly that once. The man had paid to have 3 magnets surgically implanted into his fingertips. I thought it was particularly neat because he could ever-so-slightly sense if there was any metal or magnets around. One of the disadvantages is that he can't really have any sort of full body scan that uses electromagnetic sources as his magnets would mess up the scans.

In regards to augmenting yourself, why not? It's building a better you! And besides, we already have the sort of technologically advanced rich people right now, though not as boldly as OP describes.

[Seelenamt]

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[KOCOUR]

If someone manage to make it without need of any antireject medication, (probably combination of augments and genetical enhancements) then iam all up for it.

[SargeRho]

You problably wouldn't need those antirejection drugs unless the limbs were purposefully made to be rejected by the body.

The topic of augmentation is a tricky one imo. On one side: I am always in favor of improving quality of life, which augs would do. At the same time, augs would be available only to the rich, creating more social injustice.

[EvilotionCR2]

The Nupoz is needed only in the DX:HR, because of the research Megan was doing on Adam. (Adam was born with genes that don't reject augs.)

Yes,I know,I've played the game several times.

[Seret]

You problably wouldn't need those antirejection drugs unless the limbs were purposefully made to be rejected by the body.

Well, most engineering materials aren't biocompatible, so the body will identify them as a foreign body and reject them. There are things you can such as using biocompatible metals like titanium or applying coatings, but the immune system's response to implanted tech is a real issue.

[Britpoint]

You problably wouldn't need those antirejection drugs unless the limbs were purposefully made to be rejected by the body.

The topic of augmentation is a tricky one imo. On one side: I am always in favor of improving quality of life, which augs would do. At the same time, augs would be available only to the rich, creating more social injustice.

I think it would be interesting to examine past innovations and see the kind of effects they had on the societies in which they were introduced. For example: the car - did that create more social injustice (it's not a rhetorical question, I genuinely don't know the answer here)? Because on the one hand I can see that the few rich people who could afford a car in the early days would have more opportunities for rapid travel and thus business, but at the same time the creation of the automotive industry created a huge amount of jobs across all classes. But then it probably made the horse and cart business more or less obsolete, so what was the net result?

I imagine similar scenarios happening with augmentations. If they aren't widespread then there's no issue - they are a curiosity, nothing more. If they're common but only the pursuit of the rich, then the industry that builds up around them will also create more work and, hopefully, have a positive economic impact.

[pxi]

It was a toss-up between necroing this thread, and starting a new one...

Anyway, according to the ever-reliable UK Sun newspaper, the implants from Deus Ex are real:

[Anton P. Nym]

It is not highly addictive, just that without it you experience rejection and since so much of you is now fake you die. Also you knew this when you got the implants to start with so no one is tricking you into anything.

I think you need to replay the game... many of the side-missions deal with unethical use/exploitation of augs. For instance, in DX:HR some companies subsidised surgery and neuropozine treatments for employees... and then froze their salaries/wages because if they quit they'd die slowly and horribly. Then some'd get laid off anyway, with no access to the anti-rejection drugs, and turn to crime to pay for black market supplies.

I don't think I'd get augmented with DX:HR tech, myself.

-- Steve

[Idobox]

There is also the possibility of social healthcare paying for augments.

From the tone of the discussion, I assume that most of you are from countries with pretty much no public healthcare system.

I'm from France, where the government will pay for reconstructive surgery (ie boob job after a mastectomy), dentures or glasses but not for esthetic surgery or laser eye surgery because they are considered comfort things rather than useful ones. If we had super bionic eyes or livers available tomorrow, and they caused a big difference in job opportunities and life expectancy, I think we would subsidize them. If they just made you better at sports, we wouldn't pay for them, and I don't really have an issue with rich people having better stuff.

I know in countries like the USA, socialism is almost a swear word, but many people like it.

If a new technology that could help mankind ends up increasing inequalities and human exploitation, the fault is probably not in the technology.

[NGTOne]

Personally, I'm of the view that my body is a tool like any other - if it's damaged or obsolete, I replace/upgrade.

[Holo]

REPLACE my organs? No thanks.

Why not? If I had the opportunity, I'd have my organs replaced.

[dharak1]

I would get it as soon as I could. Then I would laugh at everyone without them.