syria poison bombing tragedy

[isaac armstrong]

has any of you guys watched the news about this its sad all those people dying

tell me abut what you guys think.

[miracmert]

Unfortunately it is considered as politics which is forbidden in KSP forums.

[jwenting]

and even if not, all we have is some very one sided stories and rumours.

My bet is that even if anything happened, it's the "rebels" (meaning Al Qaeda/Taliban) gassing their own people in order to be able to manufacture global sentiment against the government.

It's impossible to show after the fact who used the stuff, and it's far more easy to find "evidence" if you also control the release.

Just gas the house of one of your opponents and then "find" traces there which you carefully collect and show to the world.

[astropapi1]

Man, I was reading a blog from a photographer that lives there. Watching those pictures of people dying really gets you.

It's sad how the Boston bombing received world-wide attention, and this... the media doesn't even care.

[TheCanadianVendingMachine]

Man, I was reading a blog from a photographer that lives there. Watching those pictures of people dying really gets you.

It's sad how the Boston bombing received world-wide attention, and this... the media doesn't even care.

You see, it is because most people don't care for the third world countries. Sadly, most of these are news reporters.

[astropapi1]

World-wide media try to avoid these conflicts for some reason.

Did you guys hear about the penguins in Turkey? CNN-Turkey decided to transmit a documentary about penguins instead of reporting what happened in the country, so protesters got pissed and used the penguin as their symbol. IIRC, they were protesting about the media blackout, and CNN gave them a huge opportunity to use in the ir favour.

[Mercy]

I know we (HMAF) already sent 42nd Commando to the Syrian border with chemical warfare kits, just in case.

So it's looking more and more likely that my first deployment will be in Syria or Egypt, where they'll just shoot medics indiscriminately.

Great.

[miracmert]

World-wide media try to avoid these conflicts for some reason.

Did you guys hear about the penguins in Turkey? CNN-Turkey decided to transmit a documentary about penguins instead of reporting what happened in the country, so protesters got pissed and used the penguin as their symbol. IIRC, they were protesting about the media blackout, and CNN gave them a huge opportunity to use in the ir favour.

Yeah that's right about Turkey, it is like that for years - the government bribes a lot of media companies and some of them don't even pay tax in change of not reporting anything bad about the government. If you watch those TV channels you'll think Turkey is Atlantis, a heaven for humanity.

However about Syria, it is a bit more different. The politics about Syria is too complicated. Most of the "protesters" are actually terrorists and because Turkish government wants to "rule" Middle East, they threaten Assad government with those terrorists and also those terrorists live in Turkey as "refugees". Those "refugees" injured many of Turkish soldiers just because they didn't feel comfortable. They live in way better standarts then they did in Syria, and war time they cross borders and fight with Syrian army then come back and take rest in refugee camps not mentioning threatening Turkish citizens about bombing cities. We also found out that Al Nusra members stored Agent Orange in places they were living and those gas cans were immidiately seized by Turkish army. So things are a little bit confusing with Syria and probably none of us know much about what's going on because of the complicated politics about the area.

[hugix]

Man, I was reading a blog from a photographer that lives there. Watching those pictures of people dying really gets you.

It's sad how the Boston bombing received world-wide attention, and this... the media doesn't even care.

Syria has been problematic for at least a year. Boston on the other hand is a safe place to live. I think that is what scared most people. Even safe places can be attacked by an einzelganger (and his older brother).

This tragic attack on the innocent civilians is less sudden and has been a realistic fear for people.

What saddens me the most is that the western world now refuses to take action. We did help in Libya and they seem to do better now. If the united nations claim they are there for world peace they should intervene and stop the violence! This tragic chemical attack could have been prevented if the western world had undertaken action a year ago!

[miracmert]

Syria has been problematic for at least a year. Boston on the other hand is a safe place to live. I think that is what scared most people. Even safe places can be attacked by an einzelganger (and his older brother).

This tragic attack on the innocent civilians is less sudden and has been a realistic fear for people.

What saddens me the most is that the western world now refuses to take action. We did help in Libya and they seem to do better now. If the united nations claim they are there for world peace they should intervene and stop the violence! This tragic chemical attack could have been prevented if the western world had undertaken action a year ago!

My friend, I'm really sorry to tell this but if Western countries take action for some place, that's for some economical or geopolitical reason and after they take action, it becomes hell for that place.

Here in Turkey, only thing we feared about the protests was NATO or UN taking action and intervening our country. It might seem to you from there like that, and I believe you want that for the sake of peace and from the deepest of you heart with all of your good will, however things are not quite like this. Unfortunately no governments are innocent, especially the ones that show themselves as peace heroes.

Edited August 25, 2013 by miracmert
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[hugix]

My friend, I'm really sorry to tell this but if Western countries take action for some place, that's for some economical or geopolitical reason and after they take action, it becomes hell for that place.

Here in Turkey, only thing we feared about the protests was NATO or UN taking action and intervening our country. It might seem to you from there like that, and I believe you want that for the sake of peace and from the deepest of you heart with all of your good will, however things are not quite like this. Unfortunately no governments are innocent, especially the ones that show themselves as peace heroes.

I am aware that there are actions from other countries. I know the Netherlands delivered some anti missile defence systems in Turkey (I believe) to keep the damage inside the borders of Syria. And there are currently NATO delegates inspecting the situation and making sure neither party violates the basic human rights.

But these actions won't stop the violence. And it seems like the situation won't be resolved quick on it's own.

[lajoswinkler]

Unfortunately it is considered as politics which is forbidden in KSP forums.

It has nothing to do with politics. It's about war crimes.

What do I think? I think it's no worse than what Israel does with phosphorus when they throw it on people's apartments and hospitals, and I'm not mentioning them because I want to troll, honestly. It's the worst recent chemical warfare I know.

Any throwing of bombs on civilians is a war crime, whether it's common bombs, chemical or atomic bombs. It's always a war crime, but chemical attacks are a war crime whoever the victim is. It's just something that's banned by the Geneva convention.

I've heard several medical staff died while treating the victims, which is an indicator of nerve poison usage.

Situations like this require a quick action of the international community. It would be naive to think that would solve the problem. "Peacekeepers" are usually criminals themselves, especially if you've got only one nation "helping".

But at least when you've got lots of different ones, with tons of people monitoring, the level of violence is lowered.

Edited August 25, 2013 by lajoswinkler

[miracmert]

It has nothing to do with politics. It's about war crimes.

What do I think? I think it's no worse than what Israel does with phosphorus when they throw it on people's apartments and hospitals, and I'm not mentioning them because I want to troll, honestly. It's the worst recent chemical warfare I know.

Any throwing of bombs on civilians is a war crime, whether it's common bombs, chemical or atomic bombs. It's always a war crime, but chemical attacks are a war crime whoever the victim is. It's just something that's banned by the Geneva convention.

I've heard several medical staff died while treating the victims, which is an indicator of nerve poison usage.

Situations like this require a quick action of the international community. It would be naive to think that would solve the problem. "Peacekeepers" are usually criminals themselves, especially if you've got only one nation "helping".

But at least when you've got lots of different ones, with tons of people monitoring, the level of violence is lowered.

Well it actually doesn't need to be one nation to make it a fake "help". When the helper is Europe or US or both, it is still "fake" unfortunately. But yeah you are right, Russia and China and US and Iran and Europe and Turkey and UAE needs to come together to take action against chemical weapons in Syria whether it is used by terrorists or government. And also good point there about Israel.

[drakesdoom]

Well it actually doesn't need to be one nation to make it a fake "help". When the helper is Europe or US or both, it is still "fake" unfortunately. But yeah you are right, Russia and China and US and Iran and Europe and Turkey and UAE needs to come together to take action against chemical weapons in Syria whether it is used by terrorists or government. And also good point there about Israel.

The problem is the "help" will determine that it was the side they don't like that used the chemical weapons despite any facts. That is why I do not trust any reports in the US about who did what in the middle east.

[Capt'n Skunky]

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Capt'n Skunky

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