Space Factory

[EuSouONumero345]

Amazing, could you do more of these russian rockets?

Edited September 7, 2013 by EuSouONumero345

[Djolox]

please use your own launch vehicle for Vostok!

Use Real Vostok launch vehicle!

[MrTheBull]

[CERVERUS]

Wow...good news!

[dimovski]

Awesome...plain...friggin...awesome.

[Kerbal01]

Amazing! Now only if my CPU memory could handle it.

[MrTheBull]

Amazing! Now only if my CPU memory could handle it.

Why?Do you think that a lot of polygons here?

[bman2232]

So, you're suggesting that all modders who make Soviet vehicles "must" be dependent on BobCat's pack?

im not saying all modders who make Soviet vehicles "must" be dependant on Bobcats pack, but in this case of a replica N-1, it seems reasonable that it would be. its a shame none of the N-1 rockets actually worked...

[MrTheBull]

N-1 update

[hellion13]

oh they worked, they worked fine until something inevitably broke in the 30 engine configuration and it blew up

[Guest]

The N1 was an ambitious and fascinating design. A pity the computers of the time couldn't keep up with the vehicle's demands.

[p1t1o]

oh they worked, they worked fine until something inevitably broke in the 30 engine configuration and it blew up

Yah! Wasn't one of the failures caused by a bolt or something shearing off and somehow getting sucked into one of the turbopumps, can you imagine!

(skip to approx 50s)

**edit**

@Jack Wolfe

All of the failures I have heard about were similar problems related to the fragile plumbing feeding the huge number of engines, not much to do with computers.

Edited September 9, 2013 by p1t1o

[Guest]

One of the vehicle failures resulted from the flight computer failing to correctly compensate for an engine failure. Instead of shutting down the symmetric counterpart of the failed engine, it shut them all down. The initial failure was caused by an oxygen pump eating a loose bolt, but the computer should never have shut down the remaining 29 operable engines.

[czokletmuss]

MrTheBull, are you planning to add some elements from Soyuz-LOK by any chance?

And BTW, you are doing great job with N-1 and Vostok. Keep up the good work

[p1t1o]

One of the vehicle failures resulted from the flight computer failing to correctly compensate for an engine failure. Instead of shutting down the symmetric counterpart of the failed engine, it shut them all down. The initial failure was caused by an oxygen pump eating a loose bolt, but the computer should never have shut down the remaining 29 operable engines.

Heh, fair enough! Doesn't feel like a suitable control system was beyond the tech though, unfortunate series of events really.

[hellion13]

i personally think both the Saturn and the N1 programs both were ideas that could have gone horribly wrong, the Soviets went with bunch of small not very well tested engines, and the US went with a few REALLY BIG engines that also wasnt tested as well as they should have been case in point the test stand explosion, and the second Saturn all up test flight where the 3rd stage lost 2 of its engines, i think the N1 program MIGHT have made it if it hadnt been for the death the main Soviet Rocket Scientist, and the subsequent power struggle with his successors, they wouldnt have made it first but at least they would have made it and had a super heavy lift vehicle for later projects, like we did with the last Saturn launch and Skylab

[czokletmuss]

i personally think both the Saturn and the N1 programs both were ideas that could have gone horribly wrong, the Soviets went with bunch of small not very well tested engines, and the US went with a few REALLY BIG engines that also wasnt tested as well as they should have been case in point the test stand explosion, and the second Saturn all up test flight where the 3rd stage lost 2 of its engines, i think the N1 program MIGHT have made it if it hadnt been for the death the main Soviet Rocket Scientist, and the subsequent power struggle with his successors, they wouldnt have made it first but at least they would have made it and had a super heavy lift vehicle for later projects, like we did with the last Saturn launch and Skylab

Saturn V was being developed for 4 years longer, had much more money and manpower avaible and didn't suffer from fighting between different bureaus. And don't forget Korolov's death, it didn't help either. Having said that, the main issue was insane amount of engines. However, if N-1 have had few more years and much more money than who knows? After all USA was behind USSR in almost everything for a long, long time. LK landing on the Moon definitely could've happened with more time and money, maybe even before the Americans.

[Guest]

I've been playing around with a Kerbalised version of Chelomei's UR700-LK700 design (the rival of the N1). It's been extremely impressive so far!

[hellion13]

I've been playing around with a Kerbalised version of Chelomei's UR700-LK700 design (the rival of the N1). It's been extremely impressive so far!

what engines are you using? i don't recognize them off hand.

[Guest]

The NK-33's from the KOSMOS pack.

[KAO]

MrTheBull, are you planning to add some elements from Soyuz-LOK by any chance?

And BTW, you are doing great job with N-1 and Vostok. Keep up the good work

yeah yeah! and the best part is, since the Soyuz capsule and orbital module are already in existence (thanks to Bobcat), all it would really require making would be a slightly different service/propulsion module!

it's semi-possible with what we have now, but it's not the same. I attempted one a while ago

[czokletmuss]

Nice! Which parts (mods) did you use?

[KAO]

by the looks of it, Frizzank's Gemini engine, and Bobcat's soviet pack

and just a few aesthetic bits and bobs from Kosmos

it had a matching N-1, which didn't work so well (was as complex as the real thing, game would crash by simply taking a screenshot of the entire rocket). Fifth flight was the charm.

[borisperrons]

i personally think both the Saturn and the N1 programs both were ideas that could have gone horribly wrong, the Soviets went with bunch of small not very well tested engines, and the US went with a few REALLY BIG engines that also wasnt tested as well as they should have been case in point the test stand explosion, and the second Saturn all up test flight where the 3rd stage lost 2 of its engines, i think the N1 program MIGHT have made it if it hadnt been for the death the main Soviet Rocket Scientist, and the subsequent power struggle with his successors, they wouldnt have made it first but at least they would have made it and had a super heavy lift vehicle for later projects, like we did with the last Saturn launch and Skylab

Also, one of the problems with the N1 was the lack of static firing test for the engines, like the ones made by NASA at Marshall Space Flight Center for the F1. This way, they could have flyed the rocket with an engine plant that was at least tested in real working conditions. Glushko learned the lesson, and demanded that Energia rocket development included such tests.

[FlyingRoss]

Edited September 13, 2013 by FlyingRoss