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List of places and biomes in KSP (planetary geology & geography) - UPDATING FOR v1.0.x.

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blipadouzi

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Just discovered this thread today, I love what you've done so far.

The coordinates, are those MechJeb based?

Just a few observations/requests...

In the OP, you're missing the surface info for Moho.

Any chance of eventually adding a list for the monoliths and Easter eggs (maybe with coordinates as well).

Any plans on eventually adding coordinates for the Kerbin biomes? If you do, might I suggest you use coordinates for a flat area in the various biomes so players can land a rocket or plane as they wish.

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lajoswinkler

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Just discovered this thread today, I love what you've done so far.

The coordinates, are those MechJeb based?

Just a few observations/requests...

In the OP, you're missing the surface info for Moho.

Any chance of eventually adding a list for the monoliths and Easter eggs (maybe with coordinates as well).

Any plans on eventually adding coordinates for the Kerbin biomes? If you do, might I suggest you use coordinates for a flat area in the various biomes so players can land a rocket or plane as they wish.

Majority of the work was done by others. :)

Coordinates in the first post are coordinates the users would report in this thread, so I can't tell.

Thanks for the Moho thing, I've corrected it.

Eastereggs coordinates are already collected somewhere. I think there's even a special site with a map for each one, I don't know its URL.

Kerbin biomes are vast and, just like places on Moon, exact coordinates aren't needed. Once you see where it is on the map provided in this thread, you can land there without problems.

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magnemoe

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It look like the narrow biome zones on Mun it gone. 2.37,-135,4 was is famous for having 7 biomes withing a couple of kilometers, but I can not find Northern Bassin and Northwest crater zone is gone.

It leaves 5 biomes so its still an interesting place to go,

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lajoswinkler

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Might want to correct the information in the OP above the data we've found, about Minmus only having high, low and surface now.

I will not correct the first part of the original post, as it was written for v0.22 so it's kind of a historic thing for KSP.

There's a huge, screaming title "UPDATE" below, it's impossible to miss. :)

Added to the list. Thanks.

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OK, I realize I need practice picking colors, but here's the closest thing to a decent biome map I've been able to set up for Minmus. It doesn't line up as obviously as the Mun or Kerbin biome maps do. The best way to line them up is to look at the flats, the shapes are quite visible and fairly distinctive.

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If anyone would like to know how to make these (the first time was a learning experience) or want to make this in different colors, just ask, it's not hard once you've got all the pieces (and there's a version of ScanSat that works in the current version).

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Aireglin

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Question: I have been getting splash downs in water that are reporting as Grasslands, Higlands, Desert, Badlands. Are thes glitches or bugs or the real deal?

As far as I can tell these are bugs. The only difference that I get when splashing down is if it is near a land mass or out in deep waters.

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Ziv

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I have made an exact measurement at Jool:

Flight: 0-120 km - IF YOU ARE ON A SUB-ORBITAL TRAJECTORY! Otherwise this area will be Space Near.

Upper Atmosphere: 120-138 km IF YOU ARE ON A SUB-ORBITAL TRAJECTORY! Otherwise this area will be Space Near.

I see this is not mentioned on the first page so please add:

ATMOSPHERE MEASUREMENTS WILL BE AVAILABLE ONLY WHEN YOU ARE ON A SUB-ORBITAL TRAJECTORY!

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I pulled the exact values for space/flying altitude thresholds directly from the game, as well as the science data multipliers for each planet/situation. There are a few updates that can be made here, and several that I can fix on the wiki. It also needs to have additional columns for the difference between multipliers for flying low vs high and in space low vs high.


Sun In Space Low Data Value:  = 11
Sun In Space High Data Value:  = 2
Sun Surface Landed Data Value:  = 1
Sun Splashed Data Value:  = 1
Sun Recovered Craft Data Value:  = 4
Sun Space Threshold Altitude:  = 1E+09
Kerbin In Space Low Data Value:  = 1
Kerbin In Space High Data Value:  = 1.5
Kerbin Surface Landed Data Value:  = 0.3
Kerbin Splashed Data Value:  = 0.4
Kerbin Recovered Craft Data Value:  = 1
Kerbin Flying Low Data Value:  = 0.7
Kerbin Flying High Data Value:  = 0.9
Kerbin Flying Threshold Altitude:  = 18000
Kerbin Space Threshold Altitude:  = 250000
Mun In Space Low Data Value:  = 3
Mun In Space High Data Value:  = 2
Mun Surface Landed Data Value:  = 4
Mun Splashed Data Value:  = 1
Mun Recovered Craft Data Value:  = 2
Mun Space Threshold Altitude:  = 60000
Minmus In Space Low Data Value:  = 4
Minmus In Space High Data Value:  = 2.5
Minmus Surface Landed Data Value:  = 5
Minmus Splashed Data Value:  = 1
Minmus Recovered Craft Data Value:  = 2.5
Minmus Space Threshold Altitude:  = 30000
Moho In Space Low Data Value:  = 8
Moho In Space High Data Value:  = 7
Moho Surface Landed Data Value:  = 10
Moho Splashed Data Value:  = 1
Moho Recovered Craft Data Value:  = 7
Moho Space Threshold Altitude:  = 80000
Eve In Space Low Data Value:  = 7
Eve In Space High Data Value:  = 5
Eve Surface Landed Data Value:  = 8
Eve Splashed Data Value:  = 8
Eve Recovered Craft Data Value:  = 5
Eve Flying Low Data Value:  = 6
Eve Flying High Data Value:  = 6
Eve Flying Threshold Altitude:  = 22000
Eve Space Threshold Altitude:  = 400000
Duna In Space Low Data Value:  = 7
Duna In Space High Data Value:  = 5
Duna Surface Landed Data Value:  = 8
Duna Splashed Data Value:  = 1
Duna Recovered Craft Data Value:  = 5
Duna Flying Low Data Value:  = 5
Duna Flying High Data Value:  = 5
Duna Flying Threshold Altitude:  = 12000
Duna Space Threshold Altitude:  = 140000
Ike In Space Low Data Value:  = 7
Ike In Space High Data Value:  = 5
Ike Surface Landed Data Value:  = 8
Ike Splashed Data Value:  = 1
Ike Recovered Craft Data Value:  = 5
Ike Space Threshold Altitude:  = 50000
Jool In Space Low Data Value:  = 7
Jool In Space High Data Value:  = 6
Jool Surface Landed Data Value:  = 30
Jool Splashed Data Value:  = 1
Jool Recovered Craft Data Value:  = 6
Jool Flying Low Data Value:  = 12
Jool Flying High Data Value:  = 9
Jool Flying Threshold Altitude:  = 120000
Jool Space Threshold Altitude:  = 4000000
Laythe In Space Low Data Value:  = 9
Laythe In Space High Data Value:  = 8
Laythe Surface Landed Data Value:  = 14
Laythe Splashed Data Value:  = 12
Laythe Recovered Craft Data Value:  = 8
Laythe Flying Low Data Value:  = 11
Laythe Flying High Data Value:  = 10
Laythe Flying Threshold Altitude:  = 10000
Laythe Space Threshold Altitude:  = 200000
Vall In Space Low Data Value:  = 9
Vall In Space High Data Value:  = 8
Vall Surface Landed Data Value:  = 12
Vall Splashed Data Value:  = 1
Vall Recovered Craft Data Value:  = 8
Vall Space Threshold Altitude:  = 90000
Bop In Space Low Data Value:  = 9
Bop In Space High Data Value:  = 8
Bop Surface Landed Data Value:  = 12
Bop Splashed Data Value:  = 1
Bop Recovered Craft Data Value:  = 8
Bop Space Threshold Altitude:  = 25000
Tylo In Space Low Data Value:  = 10
Tylo In Space High Data Value:  = 8
Tylo Surface Landed Data Value:  = 12
Tylo Splashed Data Value:  = 1
Tylo Recovered Craft Data Value:  = 8
Tylo Space Threshold Altitude:  = 250000
Gilly In Space Low Data Value:  = 8
Gilly In Space High Data Value:  = 6
Gilly Surface Landed Data Value:  = 9
Gilly Splashed Data Value:  = 1
Gilly Recovered Craft Data Value:  = 6
Gilly Space Threshold Altitude:  = 6000
Pol In Space Low Data Value:  = 9
Pol In Space High Data Value:  = 8
Pol Surface Landed Data Value:  = 12
Pol Splashed Data Value:  = 1
Pol Recovered Craft Data Value:  = 8
Pol Space Threshold Altitude:  = 22000
Dres In Space Low Data Value:  = 7
Dres In Space High Data Value:  = 6
Dres Surface Landed Data Value:  = 8
Dres Splashed Data Value:  = 1
Dres Recovered Craft Data Value:  = 6
Dres Space Threshold Altitude:  = 25000
Eeloo In Space Low Data Value:  = 12
Eeloo In Space High Data Value:  = 10
Eeloo Surface Landed Data Value:  = 15
Eeloo Splashed Data Value:  = 1
Eeloo Recovered Craft Data Value:  = 10
Eeloo Space Threshold Altitude:  = 60000

Here is the code I used to pull these data out in its entirety.


using System;
using System.Collections.Generic;
using System.Linq;
using System.Text;
using UnityEngine;
using System.IO;

namespace ScienceList
{
     [KSPAddon(KSPAddon.Startup.Flight, false)]
    public class scienceList : MonoBehaviour
    {
        ConfigNode node = new ConfigNode();
        private string path = Path.Combine(new DirectoryInfo(KSPUtil.ApplicationRootPath).FullName, "GameData/ScienceValues.txt").Replace("\\", "/");

         public void scienceValues()
         {
             for (int i = 0; i < 17; i++)
             {
                 CelestialBody newBody = FlightGlobals.fetch.bodies[i];
                 string name = newBody.name;
                 float spaceLowValue = newBody.scienceValues.InSpaceLowDataValue;
                 float spaceHighValue = newBody.scienceValues.InSpaceHighDataValue;
                 float srfValue = newBody.scienceValues.LandedDataValue;
                 float splashedValue = newBody.scienceValues.SplashedDataValue;
                 float spaceThreshold = newBody.scienceValues.spaceAltitudeThreshold;
                 float recoveryValue = newBody.scienceValues.RecoveryValue;
                 saveToFile(spaceLowValue, name + " In Space Low Data Value: ");
                 saveToFile(spaceHighValue, name + " In Space High Data Value: ");
                 saveToFile(srfValue, name + " Surface Landed Data Value: ");
                 saveToFile(splashedValue, name + " Splashed Data Value: ");
                 saveToFile(recoveryValue, name + " Recovered Craft Data Value: ");
                 if (newBody.atmosphere)
                 {
                     float flyingLowValue = newBody.scienceValues.FlyingLowDataValue;
                     float flyingHighValue = newBody.scienceValues.FlyingHighDataValue;
                     float flyingThreshold = newBody.scienceValues.flyingAltitudeThreshold;
                     saveToFile(flyingLowValue, name + " Flying Low Data Value: ");
                     saveToFile(flyingHighValue, name + " Flying High Data Value: ");
                     saveToFile(flyingThreshold, name + " Flying Threshold Altitude: ");
                 }
                 saveToFile(spaceThreshold, name + " Space Threshold Altitude: ");
             }
         }

         public void saveToFile(float entry, string name)
         {
             node.AddValue(name, entry.ToString());
             if (node.Save(path)) print("values saved");
         }


         public void Start()
         {
             scienceValues();
         }

    }
}

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magnemoe

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I have made an exact measurement at Jool:

Flight: 0-120 km - IF YOU ARE ON A SUB-ORBITAL TRAJECTORY! Otherwise this area will be Space Near.

Upper Atmosphere: 120-138 km IF YOU ARE ON A SUB-ORBITAL TRAJECTORY! Otherwise this area will be Space Near.

I see this is not mentioned on the first page so please add:

ATMOSPHERE MEASUREMENTS WILL BE AVAILABLE ONLY WHEN YOU ARE ON A SUB-ORBITAL TRAJECTORY!

Pretty much this, same is true everywhere, might be amusing on Duna as you have to get very deep if you come in fast,

easiest way to sample jool is an rocket with decent dV, like a rocket with an LV-N and 3-4 48-7S, 4-5km/s on the LV-N before going suborbital, two hotkeys, sample high and sample low, go down sample low, burn out, transmit data while buring, sample high before you leave.

No getting below 0 meter attitude don't give an bonus measurement. Hopefully contracts will ask us to test an mainsail below 0 attitude on Jool, then bring it back to Kerbin for study.

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I pulled the exact values for space/flying altitude thresholds directly from the game, as well as the science data multipliers for each planet/situation. There are a few updates that can be made here, and several that I can fix on the wiki. It also needs to have additional columns for the difference between multipliers for flying low vs high and in space low vs high.[…]

Hi, would be nice, if you could pull the values from 0.23.5. There is currently no distinction between high/low atmo/space, because previously they were identical (at least in the table so I minimized it). But when this is different now it definitely should be updated. Also how does splashed work for bodies without oceans? Is it simply a theoretical value and every body has one?

Fabian

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Hi, would be nice, if you could pull the values from 0.23.5. There is currently no distinction between high/low atmo/space, because previously they were identical (at least in the table so I minimized it). But when this is different now it definitely should be updated. Also how does splashed work for bodies without oceans? Is it simply a theoretical value and every body has one?

Fabian

I'll repeat this again for 0.23.5. But it seems that most of the values are simply ignored. "Splashed" looks like it has a default value, even if there is no ocean. And the different values for flying low/high and in space low/high don't seem to be considered. The altitude thresholds are probably the only really valuable thing to come out of that code.

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I won't post the whole list again, but a quick check shows they are all the same. This is what I expected given that there weren't any changes to the science system. I'll check again in 0.24, as that seems like the more likely update to contain changes to the ScienceParams values.

Of course, whether or not the game is still ignoring the same values as it did before is another question. The only way to test that is in-game.

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turkwinif

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*cough* Jool has coding for a few science experiments if you land on it. I know for sure that you used to be able to "land" on Jool, but since that may no longer be possible, Jool's surface experiments are unobtainable.

EDIT: Here's a video of a guy landing on Jool AND planting a flag.

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