Camacha Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 [*]If a screen is your main and only source of information, you don't design a pod where screen power consumption could possibly matter enough that you would save a non-negligible amount of power by turning it off. Remember they had to do something similar with Apollo 13. Even though it did not have a glass cockpit, the astronauts had to turn critical computers off to reduce power consumption. Even though today's technology is more advanced, it is still possible to face such a situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mihara Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Remember they had to do something similar with Apollo 13. Even though it did not have a glass cockpit, the astronauts had to turn critical computers off to reduce power consumption. Even though today's technology is more advanced, it is still possible to face such a situation.They did not "turn critical computers off" but shut down the entire command pod, without selecting which element to power down and which to leave on -- whatever computing they had from then on was on the LEM, which had independent everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angusmcbeth Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Remember they had to do something similar with Apollo 13. Even though it did not have a glass cockpit, the astronauts had to turn critical computers off to reduce power consumption. Even though today's technology is more advanced, it is still possible to face such a situation.Exactly this. Also, the player should have to work a bit for tech like this. Sure you can make kerbal life easy with this lander, you have already made IVA flight 90% more do-able, but there should be a cost for this. I do however agree that the electricity side of KSP is messed up a bit and might be best left alone. I find adding solar panels and batteries in KSP is something you have to do rather than something you have to think about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mihara Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Sure you can make kerbal life easy with this lander, you have already made IVA flight 90% more do-able, but there should be a cost for this.If you disagree with costs already presented, set them up and pay them yourself, we have no intention whatsoever to get into a long and pointless discussion about what the cost should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camacha Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 They did not "turn critical computers off" but shut down the entire command pod, without selecting which element to power down and which to leave on -- whatever computing they had from then on was on the LEM, which had independent everything.I would consider critical computers included when you turn everything off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railgunner2160 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Not only did they have to shut down the entire CM, IIRC they even had to disable the biggest power users in the LM to stretch what little power they had to get them back, Remember the LM was NOT designed to be used for the extended period of time that they needed to get back to earth on it's own. It was a short term module designed to get the astronauts to the moon and back to the CM, without the SM's Fuel cells they had a quite limited amount of power with which to work. Heck they used the Abort Guidance System for most of the flight rather than the Primary one because it used less water and power, Also let's not forget they had to create an entire powerup procedure for the CM because they never bothered to think that a situation might occur that would force a full shutdown of the CM, and they had to write it to make use of the very limited power that remained after the trip back from the moon..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Termaul Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Great feeling when u hit the stage button and see the stages depart , flew to mun n back all with IVA love it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angusmcbeth Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 If you disagree with costs already presented, set them up and pay them yourself, we have no intention whatsoever to get into a long and pointless discussion about what the cost should be. No problem. I think you have misunderstood what I mean by 'cost' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasBananenbrot Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 It definitely works with stock legs. Try making sure that your legs are added to the "Gear" action group.Yep, the problem was I forgot to add the modded Landing Legs to the Gear Action Group so it would be recognised correctly. All works as intended now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimMartland Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Not only did they have to shut down the entire CM, IIRC they even had to disable the biggest power users in the LM to stretch what little power they had to get them back, Remember the LM was NOT designed to be used for the extended period of time that they needed to get back to earth on it's own. It was a short term module designed to get the astronauts to the moon and back to the CM, without the SM's Fuel cells they had a quite limited amount of power with which to work. Heck they used the Abort Guidance System for most of the flight rather than the Primary one because it used less water and power, Also let's not forget they had to create an entire powerup procedure for the CM because they never bothered to think that a situation might occur that would force a full shutdown of the CM, and they had to write it to make use of the very limited power that remained after the trip back from the moon.....Pfft. Newbs! Don't they know you have to tech for solar panels early? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railgunner2160 Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 They likely used fuel cells over solar panels because the fuel cells produces potable(Drinkable) water as a byproduct of their power generation process, So they generate both Electricity and Water that could be used for drinking or cooling various systems on board. Also given the fact that the CM sat atop the LM's fairings the risk of solar panels being damaged during ascent was likely too high and making doors to shield them would've added critical weight and operational complexities......One of the most universal rules seems to be K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple Stupid), The apollo program was often just that, at least as much as a program to send a Man to the moon could be..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camacha Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 They likely used fuel cells over solar panels because the fuel cells produces potable(Drinkable) water as a byproduct of their power generation process, So they generate both Electricity and Water that could be used for drinking or cooling various systems on board. Also given the fact that the CM sat atop the LM's fairings the risk of solar panels being damaged during ascent was likely too high and making doors to shield them would've added critical weight and operational complexities......One of the most universal rules seems to be K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple Stupid), The apollo program was often just that, at least as much as a program to send a Man to the moon could be.....There ya go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railgunner2160 Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 There ya go!Sorry, I've got Asperger's Syndrome, a lower level form of Autism. Can't recognize a joke to save my life...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helix935 Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 me too not the Asperger's but the can't get a joke so yeah..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camacha Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Sorry, I've got Asperger's Syndrome, a lower level form of Autism. Can't recognize a joke to save my life......Sorry, I did not intend to be rude. I did like your explanation as it contains some insight into the lunar landing technologies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechrior Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 What is the "map?" button for please?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirkut Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 What is the "map?" button for please?!I'm assuming he plans on implanting scansat just as there is an IR buton that I think is for infernal robotics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mihara Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 That is indeed the plan. I'm just thinking how exactly to cope with the fact that SCANsat takes well over a second to render it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railgunner2160 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Sorry, I did not intend to be rude. I did like your explanation as it contains some insight into the lunar landing technologies.No Problem, I didn't think you were being rude, just wanted to explain why I might've missed a possible joke from TimMartland..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mihara Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Oh, and speaking of maps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betaking Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 (edited) that's a pretty cool fuel gauge.. a stock equivelent should be made (though possibly more "stock-like"), the buttons and switches are cool too. Edited November 27, 2013 by betaking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexustas Posted November 28, 2013 Author Share Posted November 28, 2013 MAP!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsnipe Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 After RasterPropMonitor KSP will never be the same... Mihara if you have any interest in Arma3 could you mod some monitors for helos and planes? Just kidding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleOSeven1 Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 MAP!!Are there only two monitors now? Also, can't wait to see this get used in planes or orbital cockpits! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingopete Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 MAP!!Anyway you could release a dev version with the maps or maybe just upload the prop files we can tryout the scansat mod on it? Is it some simple code one could paste into the files to get it on screen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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