Evacuate Earth

[YNM]

Eventually these modified humans might be divergent enough from the normal population that you'd consider them a seperate species, but there's no hard line on that. Just look at how plastic the dog genome is, we're happy to say that chihuahuas and great danes are both dogs, after all.

Still shares the outline and general feature of canis, hence why we can say they are dogs. Super-humans might still share our outlines and general features, least (as long as it's not suddenly have different skeletons or muscles, or have another ability). But I can't see the film...

[Skyler4856]

so was Adolf Hitler, so was Joseph Stalin, Mao ze Dongh as well.

The entire eugenics movement which was very popular in the 1920s and '30s, and culminated in the industrial scale destruction of any human deemed "unworthy of life" and "unworthy of procreation" was scientifically sound, as per the knowledge as it existed at the time.

In the US it led to the forced sterilisation and detention in "asylums for the mentally insane" of hundreds of thousands. In the USSR there were millions of those.

In Germany they took the next logical step and just killed the lot of them, including all the Jews, gypsies, blacks, and everyone else who wasn't of the declared "Master race".

Yes, very good idea that scientifically sound genetic profiling.

https://bookofbadarguments.com/

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To say that genetic profiling is wrong because the process, when done incorrectly, has lead to some of the greatest tragedies ever known to man, is tantamount to saying the development of Nuclear energy is wrong, because many of the same processes have lead to some of the most destructive weapons of war.

[Skyler4856]

What do you mean by this?

If John has an IQ of 110+ he may have three-plus children

If Bilbo has an IQ of 95-105 he may have two children

If Jack has an IQ of 94-0 he may have one child.

[Skyler4856]

genetic diversity What does this mean?

Does this mean that people with Asperger, ADHD, or minor health problem would have chance?

Considering how many of the greatest minds man has ever known have suffered from Aspergers, ADHD, or Autism, they may make an exception based on other factors

[Seret]

Considering how many of the greatest minds man has ever known have suffered from Aspergers, ADHD, or Autism, they may make an exception based on other factors

What does your book of bad arguments say about correlation and causality?

[rtxoff]

If John has an IQ of 110+ he may have three-plus children

If Bilbo has an IQ of 95-105 he may have two children

If Jack has an IQ of 94-0 he may have one child.

Or we just do nothing and let nature decide who survives or not, who propagate and who not.

There is already some natural form of genetic profiling, humans only have ways to overcome that.

They are called medicine and science.

[EdFred]

You can't simply take all the smartest (or whatever adjective-est) people on this ship. Why? Because human nature is going rear it's ugly head. Do you really think a 175 IQ professor is going to be happy with his job cleaning toilets on this ship? Or being a line cook? Or having some other job that he feels he's too good for/too smart for/too [adjective] for? There will be unrest, and there will be a whole lot of problems. You can't have a company composed entirely of upper management - just as you can't have a ship composed entirely of super-geniuses.

The selection process would have to most likely go as follows

Genetic screening. I think most of us agree that we want as little possibility for genetic deficiencies to be passed down. Sorry, it sucks, but it needs to be the main factor. However, genetic screening isn't taking only the best or smartest. There will be a Bell Curve of intelligence from those that passed the genetic screening. It is only to make sure things like heart disease, anemia, ALS, etc are not be carried. Once the genetic screening is done then...

Genetic diversity. This ship is going to need a well balanced pool if it is to be a generational ship. Selection is not based on what country you are from, but what your heritage is. Equal ratios of East African Black, West African Black, North Americans Native, South American Native, Pacific Islander, Northern European heritage, Southern European heritage, Middle Eastern, Indian subcontinental, Asian, etc... Not only that, interracial offspring would not only be encouraged but probably mandatory. After a few generations the ship will have the the gene pool well mixed, and probably provide the best seed population for the new planet. Now that we've determined the gene pool for the ship the next is the

Skill set. This is a generational ship. People initially on the ship are never reaching the planet. There's no need for everyone to be an architect, engineer, physicist, etc,... The majority of people on this ship are more or less going to be custodians. You will need repairmen, janitors, food service workers, and a whole list of other menial, non-scientific jobs. Yes, there will be a need for doctors, and engineers, and "smart people" jobs, but the vast majority of the people on the ship will be completely average people, and you will have to have that or unrest will happen. Do you think someone who was a CEO back on Earth is going to want to be cleaning toilets for 30 years? Or be happy doing it? Not even close. You're going to need a range of intelligence just like you are going to need a range of genes.

[Comrade Jenkens]

If John has an IQ of 110+ he may have three-plus children

If Bilbo has an IQ of 95-105 he may have two children

If Jack has an IQ of 94-0 he may have one child.

And that's a disgusting idea.

[Red Iron Crown]

And that's a disgusting idea.

Very much so. There's more value to people than intelligence.

Also, Happy Birthday to you!

[Tery215]

Diversity and imperfection are what make us human.

actually, that definition also defines all animals alive

[Stargate525]

Considering how many of the greatest minds man has ever known have suffered from Aspergers, ADHD, or Autism, they may make an exception based on other factors

Besides ADHD, which I don't recall having been related to genetics, name four of these greatest minds.

[Red Iron Crown]

Besides ADHD, which I don't recall having been related to genetics, name four of these greatest minds.

They tend to be retrospective diagnoses without direct testing, so lend that whatever weight you think appropriate. Newton, Tesla and Einstein get mentioned.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrospective_diagnoses_of_autism

[Skyler4856]

What does your book of bad arguments say about correlation and causality?

And that's where, the phrase, other factors comes into play..

[Skyler4856]

And that's a disgusting idea.

It wouldn't be enforced per se, just encouraged through economic incentives.

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Or we just do nothing and let nature decide who survives or not, who propagate and who not.

There is already some natural form of genetic profiling, humans only have ways to overcome that.

They are called medicine and science.

But that method is far more expeditious...

[Skyler4856]

Very much so. There's more value to people than intelligence.

Also, Happy Birthday to you!

Intelligence is simply a placeholder...

[kmMango]

Newton is widely believed to have had Aspergers, Tesla was batcrap crazy, and look what they did. Their conditions didn't cause their genius, but there was a link between the two. Are we supposed to not allow a brilliant person to breed because they have a disorder alongside their gift?

[Skyler4856]

Newton is widely believed to have had Aspergers, Tesla was batcrap crazy, and look what they did. Their conditions didn't cause their genius, but there was a link between the two. Are we supposed to not allow a brilliant person to breed because they have a disorder alongside their gift?

And the answer is simple...Yes, we should allow them to breed, even encourage/offer incentives, however we should never force them to breed.

[EdFred]

Why are brilliant people on the ship? They will be dead long before it arrives anywhere.

[Skyler4856]

Why are brilliant people on the ship? They will be dead long before it arrives anywhere.

Simply because Man is being forced from his home, doesn't mean that he should halt his research, and teaching.

And besides that, they will have children..

[EdFred]

Simply because Man is being forced from his home, doesn't mean that he should halt his research, and teaching.

And besides that, they will have children..

Think they will be happy collecting trash and cleaning toilets? You cant have the 250,000 smartest people on the ship.

[Seret]

Newton is widely believed to have had Aspergers

That might explain some of his behaviour, but I think a fair bit of it was just down to him being a jerk.

[The Jedi Master]

Since I have autism, this would leave me to die. Yeah, I'd be pretty pissed.

[EdFred]

Since I have autism, this would leave me to die. Yeah, I'd be pretty pissed.

So will 6,999,750,000 other people. It's not like everyone BUT you is going. I wouldn't be selected either, I have less than 20/20 vision.

[The Jedi Master]

So will 6,999,750,000 other people. It's not like everyone BUT you is going. I wouldn't be selected either, I have less than 20/20 vision.

OK. This experiment assumes that all people on the shuttle will be of perfect physical and mental health. That means I wouldn't even have the slightest hint of a chance, nor would anyone with the same disorder. A whole group of people, no chance of even one surviving whatsoever. Think about it.

[EdFred]

OK. This experiment assumes that all people on the shuttle will be of perfect physical and mental health. That means I wouldn't even have the slightest hint of a chance, nor would anyone with the same disorder. A whole group of people, no chance of even one surviving whatsoever. Think about it.

Nope - groups of many people. We're defective - myself included.