WafflesToo Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 If you read his posts, he quite clearly says he *doesn't* want it changed. He just points out why it's not enjoyable for many to use. And, personally, I think he hit the nail on the head.You and I must be reading different posts because that's not what I'm seeing. Besides; my question isn't solely for him. There are a good many people in this thread alone whose responses and views on it are even more extreme (if not as verbose) so yes, my question stands.Why is this such an issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levelord Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 @levelordAnd yet you launch yourself into multiple page tirades about why you're right and everyone else is wrong. But only over this one little niche' engine. I don't see this kind of vitriol spewed over the Mark-55 (another engine that almost nobody uses). Nor do I see a new post every other day about how broken the 48-7S is (an engine that outperforms every other engine in its category; to the point that I've seen it replace the Mainsail as a heavy-lift engine). ONLY about the ion engine. Why?Why is this one thing so important to change? To the point of anger and insults and wanting to see it removed from the game or altered in a way that destroys the charm for those who DO like to play with it. I say jealousy because it's the only thing I can think of that fits the pattern. Why do you NEED it changed? I want an answer to that one question; not an essay, an answer. Why?Okay let me make it as simple as possible:Why do you NEED it changed?Short answer: I didn't ask for the engine to be changed.Long answer: You didn't want an essay and you didn't read my last post, otherwise you wouldn't be asking this question.p.s. 1.) There was no insults in this thread except the one made by you calling me an ass.2.) People are talking about the ion engine here because it's the thread topic. We aren't discussing other engines (other than it's comparisons) here because it would be off-topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Sierra Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Okay people, if the engine is as useless as so many of you keep suggesting, then why are you two busy making asses of yourselves? This has no bearing on the topic at hand and 'defeating' the other person in a forum argument will not make you any more of a man. Let's relegate this to the dustbin of pointless arguments and get back on topic: Ion Engines.And why shouldn't we turn this into a discussion of all underused engines? I see the mk 55 on occasion, so clearly it's used by some, even though it's probably the poorest balanced engine in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sal_vager Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Backseat moderation is usually frowned upon but Sierra make a valid point, I'd like to ask you all to stay on the topic at hand, which is Ion drives.If you wish to discuss other engines I suggest you create another thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sal_vager Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Continuing an argument after a moderator has asked you to stop is not the smartest thing one can do by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shna_na Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Moving swiftly onward, why do people want the Ion engine to be nerfed other than for realism? The reason I exclude that as a valid reason is because the game isn't realism-based as can be seen by planet sized and distances. I don't know much about engines, but something tells me that the parts in the game are also beefed more than real life to make the game more enjoyable for more casual appreciators of physics such as myself who like to learn through the game in a non-frustrating way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Sierra Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 WafflesToo,If I may offer a possible WHY, it stems from human psychology. Human beings have a natural urge to be frustrated and angry at things which they do not understand, have difficulty using, or otherwise find less than convenient. By that logic, one could assume that those who struggle to use the ion engine with any practicality will generate a natural hatred for it.Another element of this could be that humans have an inherent desire to change what they find aggravating and impractical to something better. As no person in this thread has control over that, save for editing the config of their ion engine, the futility in being able to change it triggers people to seek the approval of their opinions by others so as to justify their opinions of something they cannot change.By continuation of that, humans naturally feel attacked when valid flaws in their arguments are brought up (I think you could have handled that better, but your latest post makes valid counterarguments). When attacked, humans feel obliged to become defensive, regardless the nature, and the internet simply furthers the escalation.Is that exactly what happened here? Not at all. While I understand the fundamentals, I'm not Ph.D psychologist, but it is a similar enough case.In short, people want others to agree with them about something which they dislike, because they do not/cannot use that something well, and because they do not have the power to universally change it.Shna_na,Who is talking about nerfing it? It is definitively the most underutilized engine in the game, why would we nerf it further? If anything, all suggestions have been about ways to effectively (directly or indirectly) buff it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levelord Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Okay people, if the engine is as useless as so many of you keep suggesting, then why are you two busy making asses of yourselves? This has no bearing on the topic at hand and 'defeating' the other person in a forum argument will not make you any more of a man. Let's relegate this to the dustbin of pointless arguments and get back on topic: Ion Engines.And why shouldn't we turn this into a discussion of all underused engines? I see the mk 55 on occasion, so clearly it's used by some, even though it's probably the poorest balanced engine in the game.I'm disappointed. I spent so much time putting together a nicely written post about the flaws of the engine, the game it inhabits and the possible solutions. Then someone comes along, doesn't read my post, doesn't address my points, calls me an ass and suddenly everything I've carefully tried to explain in my first post is suddenly invalidated. Then I'm lumped together with him as if I'm a forum troll. I'm not going to dwell in it, but I want to let you know how how unfair that ad hominem was and how the points I laid out are still not discussed/addressed by anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sal_vager Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Guys, move on, this thread went south.Take the lessons learned from this and start again, I'm going to close this one down, please try to keep civil in the next thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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