Master Thread: Unresponsive Kerbals in EVA

[Claw]

This is an attempt to address the ragdoll, non-responsive kerbals on EVA. So if your poor guys are unresponsive, frozen, immobile, limp, or otherwise stuck in place...read on.

I've been seeing this problem in many threads this weekend, so I'm trying to combine the threads into one place.

It is triggered by bumping, dropping, or otherwise activating the kerbal's ragdoll state, including crashing a manned external command seat.

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There is now an add-on fix posted here: http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/97285-0-25-Stock-Bug-Fix-Modules-%28Release-v0-1-5-22-Nov-14%29

This will prevent kerbals from turning into debris. If you already have kerbals that are debris, this will recover them.

If you don't want to download an add-on, then continue reading.

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There are two possible fixes depending on how your kerbal is frozen.

1) Kerbals frozen during EVA standing up or in T-position on the ground. (This one is mostly fixed in version 0.23.5.464.)

2) Kerbals stuck in a command seat, but unable to get out or control. (This one still seems to be happening to people.)

Both fixes are in the next post.

FIRST STEP: Make sure you have at least 0.23.5.464 or better installed. Some of this was fixed.

If you have a corrupted Stock save game with 0.23.5.464, please post it. There are also steps on how to fix your save in the next post.

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Threads

Command Seat Problems:

http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/75420-Command-Seat-Kerbals-becoming-statues

http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/75223-Astronauts-becoming-unresponsive-to-commands-if-bumped-while-in-External-Command-Seat

Ragdoll EVAs:

http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/74822-Kerbal-stuck-on-ground

http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/75453-Kerbals-taken-as-debris-can-t-control

http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/75343-EVA-Reload

Kraken & Crash Related EVAs:

http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/75269-Career-Mode-2-Bugs

http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/75386-Is-there-a-way-to-recover-from-this-bug-%28Nullspace%29

http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/75365-EVA-on-Kerbin-Crashes

Edited February 11, 2015 by Claw

[Claw]

Kerbal save file structure.

Opening the persistent.sfs file (or your quicksave.sfs) that is having the problem and search for the name of your lifeless kerbal. Depending on how your kerbal was reclassified as debris, you may end up in the "vInfo" section. Scroll up a bit and you'll find the section below.

The section you are looking for should looks something like this (scan for the highlight). The part in Green applies to the first fix. The part in Red applies to the second fix.

		VESSEL
		{
			pid = b82d98c25b2f443aa8860ed8f75800d9
[COLOR="#008000"]			name = Bill Kerman                                            (may be a kerbal's name or maybe something like "rover debris")
			type = EVA
			sit = LANDED
			landed = True[/COLOR]
			landedAt = Runway
			splashed = False
			met = 16.6599999999967
			lct = 64.9600000000042
			root = 0
			lat = -0.0480859624145008
			lon = 285.275460918723
			alt = 69.3523798584938
			hgt = 0.2269046
			nrm = 0.001151793,0.999998,-0.001655803
			rot = -0.6987035,-0.2909136,0.1108325,0.6441265
			CoM = 0,0,0
			stg = 0
			prst = False
			ref = 0
			cPch = 0.564
			cHdg = 1.068
			cMod = 0
			ORBIT
			{
				SMA = 300813.344265337
				ECC = 0.994822915303913
				INC = 0.0480859633693031
				LPE = 89.9859059129259
				LAN = 106.650886644004
				MNA = 3.14159265358979
				EPH = 81.6600000000009
				REF = 1
			}
			PART
			{
				name = kerbalEVA
				uid = 1342249348
				mid = 859081327
				parent = 0
				position = 0,0,0
				rotation = 0,0,0,1
				mirror = 1,1,1
				istg = 0
				dstg = 0
				sqor = -1
				sidx = -1
				attm = 0
				srfN = None, -1
				mass = 0.09375
				temp = 19.49158
				expt = 0
				state = 0
				connected = True
				attached = True
				flag = Squad/Flags/default
				rTrf = referenceTransform
				crew = 1
				EVENTS
				{
				}
				ACTIONS
				{
				}
				MODULE
				{
[COLOR="#FF0000"]					name = KerbalEVA
					isEnabled = True
					state = Ragdoll[/COLOR]
					step = 1.208333
					packExt = False
					lightOn = False
					flags = 1
					EVENTS
					{
						PlantFlag
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Plant Flag [1]
							guiName = Plant Flag [1]
							category = Plant Flag [1]
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						MakeReference
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Control From Here
							guiName = Control From Here
							category = Control From Here
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
[COLOR="#FF0000"]						OnDeboardSeat
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Leave Seat
							guiName = Leave Seat
							category = Leave Seat
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}[/COLOR]
						RenameVessel
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Rename Vessel
							guiName = Rename Vessel
							category = Rename Vessel
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
					}
					ACTIONS
					{
					}
[COLOR="#008000"]					vInfo
					{
						vesselName = Bill Kerman
						vesselType = 9
						rootUId = 1342249348
					}[/COLOR]
				}
				MODULE
				{
					name = ModuleScienceExperiment
					isEnabled = True
					Deployed = False
					Inoperable = False
					EVENTS
					{
						DeployExperiment
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Deploy
							guiName = Take Surface Sample
							category = Deploy
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						CollectDataExternalEvent
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = False
							guiIcon = 
							guiName = Take Data
							category = 
							guiActiveUnfocused = True
							unfocusedRange = 1.5
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						ReviewDataEvent
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Review Data
							guiName = Review Sample
							category = Review Data
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						ResetExperiment
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Reset
							guiName = Discard Sample
							category = Reset
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						ResetExperimentExternal
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = False
							guiIcon = Reset
							guiName = Discard Sample
							category = Reset
							guiActiveUnfocused = True
							unfocusedRange = 1.5
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
					}
					ACTIONS
					{
						DeployAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
							active = False
						}
						ResetAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
							active = False
						}
					}
				}
				MODULE
				{
					name = ModuleScienceExperiment
					isEnabled = True
					Deployed = False
					Inoperable = False
					EVENTS
					{
						DeployExperiment
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Deploy
							guiName = EVA Report
							category = Deploy
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						CollectDataExternalEvent
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = False
							guiIcon = 
							guiName = Take Data
							category = 
							guiActiveUnfocused = True
							unfocusedRange = 1.5
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						ReviewDataEvent
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Review Data
							guiName = Review Report
							category = Review Data
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						ResetExperiment
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Reset
							guiName = Discard Report
							category = Reset
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						ResetExperimentExternal
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = False
							guiIcon = Reset
							guiName = Discard Report
							category = Reset
							guiActiveUnfocused = True
							unfocusedRange = 1.5
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
					}
					ACTIONS
					{
						DeployAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
							active = False
						}
						ResetAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
							active = False
						}
					}
				}
				MODULE
				{
					name = ModuleScienceContainer
					isEnabled = True
					EVENTS
					{
						StoreDataExternalEvent
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = False
							guiIcon = 
							guiName = Give Data (0)
							category = 
							guiActiveUnfocused = True
							unfocusedRange = 1
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						CollectDataExternalEvent
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = False
							guiIcon = 
							guiName = Take Data (0)
							category = 
							guiActiveUnfocused = True
							unfocusedRange = 1
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						ReviewDataEvent
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Review Data
							guiName = Review Stored Data (0)
							category = Review Data
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
					}
					ACTIONS
					{
					}
				}
				MODULE
				{
					name = FlagDecal
					isEnabled = True
					flagDisplayed = True
					EVENTS
					{
						ToggleFlag
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = False
							guiActiveEditor = True
							guiIcon = ToggleFlag
							guiName = ToggleFlag
							category = ToggleFlag
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
					}
					ACTIONS
					{
					}
				}
				RESOURCE
				{
					name = EVA Propellant
					amount = 5
					maxAmount = 5
					flowState = True
					isTweakable = False
					hideFlow = False
					flowMode = Both
				}
			}
			ACTIONGROUPS
			{
				Stage = False, 0
				Gear = True, 0
				Light = False, 0
				RCS = False, 0
				SAS = False, 0
				Brakes = False, 0
				Abort = False, 0
				Custom01 = False, 0
				Custom02 = False, 0
				Custom03 = False, 0
				Custom04 = False, 0
				Custom05 = False, 0
				Custom06 = False, 0
				Custom07 = False, 0
				Custom08 = False, 0
				Custom09 = False, 0
				Custom10 = False, 0
			}
			DISCOVERY
			{
				state = -1
				lastObservedTime = 0
				lifetime = Infinity
				refTime = Infinity
				size = 2
			}
			FLIGHTPLAN
			{
			}
			CTRLSTATE
			{
				pitch = 0
				yaw = 0
				roll = 0
				trimPitch = 0
				trimYaw = 0
				trimRoll = 0
				mainThrottle = 0
			}
		}

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If your kerbal is frozen in the T-pose, but unattached to anything.

Specifically look at the top part, where it says:

			name = [COLOR="#008000"]Bill Kerman [/COLOR]- - - (this may say "Rover Debris" or something similar depending on the name of your crashed vehicle)
			type = [COLOR="#008000"]EVA[/COLOR]
			sit = LANDED
			landed = True
			landedAt = Runway
			splashed = False

Seems the poor kerbals are sometimes showing up as "type = base" or "type = Debris" which makes them unresponsive. If it's wrong, then change it to "type = EVA". EVA must be all capitals. You can also fix his name while you're here.

You may also need to scroll down and fix this section. If "vesselType" is set to something else, you'll need to change it back to "vesselType = 9"

					vInfo
					{
						vesselName = Bill Kerman
						vesselType = [COLOR="#008000"]9[/COLOR]
						rootUId = 1342249348
					}

Depending on how long he has been frozen, he may have become unassigned. Check the crew section at the end of the save file (thanks to zetrocker).

You may have to put him back "On a mission" by setting "state = 1" and revive him by setting "idx = 0"

CREW
        {
            name = Bill Kerman
            brave = 0.5
            dumb = 0.8
            badS = False
            state = [COLOR="#008000"]1[/COLOR]
            ToD = 0
            idx = [COLOR="#008000"]0[/COLOR]
}

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If your kerbal is frozen sitting in an External Command Seat and unable to get out.

For this fix, this is the first section you're looking for. (Red in the above kerbal structure.)

				MODULE
				{
					name = KerbalEVA
					isEnabled = True
					state = [COLOR="#FF0000"]Ragdoll[/COLOR]

Change his state (make sure your capitalization matches): "state = Seated (Command)"

and reactivate his "Deboard" ability

OnDeboardSeat
{
	active = [COLOR="#FF0000"]True[/COLOR]
	guiActive = True
	guiIcon = Leave Seat
	guiName = Leave Seat
	category = Leave Seat
	guiActiveUnfocused = False
	unfocusedRange = 2
	externalToEVAOnly = True
}

You might need to double check the IDs and connection nodes, but if he's frozen in the seat and not labeled as debris, then the nodes are probably okay.

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If anyone is having non-responsive kerbal problems, please let me know what you see. Also, if you notice anything else please share!

Edited April 28, 2014 by Claw

[RnsnBzkrk]

I had the problem where my kerbals had been on EVA, sitting in Command Seats on a rover. After updating to 0.23.5 (and then to .464), they would stand frozen, on the rover, after I selected "Leave Seat".

After finding this thread, I changed "type = Base" to "type = EVA" for both of them, reloaded the modified quicksave, and they were able to move.

[Claw]

I had the problem where my kerbals had been on EVA, sitting in Command Seats on a rover. After updating to 0.23.5 (and then to .464), they would stand frozen, on the rover, after I selected "Leave Seat".

After finding this thread, I changed "type = Base" to "type = EVA" for both of them, reloaded the modified quicksave, and they were able to move.

Excellent! I'm glad to hear it worked for you.

[BudgetHedgehog]

What I don't understand is how Kerbals in seats can be considered debris in the first place as they weren't part of the ship - they are, for all intents and purposes, still on EVA (the seat doesn't refill EVA fuel, no SAS control, you take EVA reports sat in it, not crew reports, you can take surface samples...

[vexx32]

Well, actually, an EVA kerbal is basically indistinguishable from any other craft when it gets down to the code level. It's basically just a single-part ship. Command seats are basically docking ports of a special variant that only "dock" to Kerbals. When there is an impact that throws the Kerbal out of the seat, instead of returning to EVA mode as it ought to (which is what happens upon successfully leaving the seat normally), the kerbal is treated as debris since it was severed by force from the rest of the craft instead of properly undocked.

[Claw]

Thanks for the words vexx32. I was wondering why and I'm glad to know it isn't errant memory.

[Rin Aldrin]

I am trying to get my kerbal at least back into the ship is there a way to edit him in there or at least save him in some way? https://www.dropbox.com/s/p7z2y75j2yjbeym/persistent.txt

Scratch that updating to the new version fixed him by way of magic.

Edited April 10, 2014 by Rin Aldrin

[killrsheep]

Hi Claw,

I am having this issue too but mu code looks a little bit different, just to let you guys know this has happened twice for me, i have "reproduced" the error trying to rescue the first "frozen" kerbal

1) get a ship with a rover to the Mun (idk if its location specific, probably not)

2) ride around till you mess up and flip over into "ragdolling" your rover and kebal both together ( actually before they separate i has already lost the right click basic menus on both of them, only the monopropellent for the eva suit remained visible)

3) try to split them apart by switching vessels (get a far enough vessel, then return, usually both rover and kerbal will bounce off from clipping between planet and rover), if that s not enough try reloading your game

4) voila you somehow detached the kerbal without clicking "leave seat", now you can switch between rover and kerbal using bracket keys yay!

5) however your kerbal will be totally frozen in panic for all he has been through

VESSEL
		{
			pid = a54db393f3394902a1b3ad362aecea8b
			name = All of it Lander Rover Debris
			type = Debris
			sit = LANDED
			landed = True
			landedAt = 
			splashed = False
			met = 80328.2350608706
			lct = 271160103.742764
			root = 0
			lat = -2.78449680284058
			lon = 26.360958104773
			alt = 3212.90768965581
			hgt = 0.2269612
			nrm = -0.01467857,0.9992282,0.03643401
			rot = 0.7039325,0.6726217,0.1703772,0.151759
			CoM = 9.800077E-08,1.771179E-06,-7.009293E-07
			stg = 0
			prst = False
			ref = 2978706759
			cPch = 0
			cHdg = 0
			cMod = 0
			ORBIT
			{
				SMA = 101619.799607245
				ECC = 0.999737339343865
				INC = 2.78449684108547
				LPE = 89.9871388205417
				LAN = 198.547340867066
				MNA = 3.14159715729171
				EPH = 271240432.017825
				REF = 2
			}
			PART
			{
				name = kerbalEVA
				uid = 2978706759
				mid = 3604084610
				parent = 0
				position = 0,0,0
				rotation = 0,0,0,1
				mirror = 1,1,1
				istg = 0
				dstg = 0
				sqor = -1
				sidx = -1
				attm = 0
				srfN = None, -1
				mass = 0.09375
				temp = -53.53894
				expt = 0
				state = 0
				connected = False
				attached = False
				flag = Squad/Flags/kerbinmunflag
				rTrf = referenceTransform
				crew = 1
				EVENTS
				{
				}
				ACTIONS
				{
				}
				MODULE
				{
					name = KerbalEVA
					isEnabled = True
					state = Idle (Grounded)
					step = 1.208333
					packExt = False
					lightOn = True
					flags = 1
					EVENTS
					{
						PlantFlag
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Plant Flag [1]
							guiName = Plant Flag [1]
							category = Plant Flag [1]
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						MakeReference
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Control From Here
							guiName = Control From Here
							category = Control From Here
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						OnDeboardSeat
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Leave Seat
							guiName = Leave Seat
							category = Leave Seat
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						RenameVessel
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Rename Vessel
							guiName = Rename Vessel
							category = Rename Vessel
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
					}
					ACTIONS
					{
					}
					vInfo
					{
						vesselName = Bill Kerman
						vesselType = 9
						rootUId = 2978706759
					}

I could not find any code similar to yours ( vessel/pid=...., name= Bill Kerman) but the vessel listed as "All of it Lander Rover Debris" im sure it has been destroyed by now, it was the rover that bill was on (however destruction of the rover might be irrelevant bcuz i have lodby on the same situation and his rover is fine, actually i even added an OKTO to that one)

ill try and change either the "name" or "type" or "both" tell you if it works

[Claw]

You have found Bill. It looks like if you change the name and type (just like you said) that ought to fix him up.

Confirm you have the newest KSP (0.23.5.464)?

Thanks for the info. I will give it a try.

[Claw]

-- snip --

Since this thread might be getting more use again, I've updated the post on how to fix with some info I found from another user. You may have to do a couple more steps.

Good luck!

[killrsheep]

It worked!, Bill and Lodby are alive and well again!

i did both, changed name and type, and yes i am currently on 23.5.464

i hope this helps someone else (Just check for the names as Claw said, the name will be under "vInfo" tho, but you can backtrack from that)

[Claw]

It worked!, Bill and Lodby are alive and well again!

i did both, changed name and type, and yes i am currently on 23.5.464

i hope this helps someone else (Just check for the names as Claw said, the name will be under "vInfo" tho, but you can backtrack from that)

Awesome! I'm glad to hear you were able to wake them up.

[cantab]

I have a similar problem that I've not found the solution to. I was driving my rover up a hill on the Mun, hit a bump, bounced down the hill, came to rest with the Kerbal faceplanting in the ground, and now have no control. There's no probe core on this rover, just the command seat. I can't get any right-click menus, I get no response to WASD inputs, I can't even turn the Kerbal's headlamps off with L.

Looking through my persistent.sfs, I find the Kerbal in question is still attached to the rover, but in "state = Ragdoll". Presumably this I need to change, but I don't know what to.

Full VESSEL section from the persistent.sfs:

VESSEL
		{
			pid = bc6782a8ca8543bb9a6f0b3780128df3
			name = Collins 1 Rover
			type = Rover
			sit = LANDED
			landed = True
			landedAt = 
			splashed = False
			met = 3954.73986792564
			lct = 849362608.789826
			root = 0
			lat = -0.987307409199464
			lon = -126.945926072385
			alt = 2736.82164515374
			hgt = 0.6369807
			nrm = 8.496642E-05,-0.4788611,-0.8778908
			rot = -0.2417473,-0.2834381,-0.9048101,0.2062521
			CoM = -0.005457705,-0.106593,0.06720868
			stg = 1
			prst = False
			ref = 1000365954
			cPch = 
			cHdg = 
			cMod = 0
			ORBIT
			{
				SMA = 0
				ECC = 1
				INC = NaN
				LPE = 36.0394232994385
				LAN = 44.6582125066982
				MNA = -8.40714670366795
				EPH = 849366563.529694
				REF = 2
			}
			PART
			{
				name = batteryBank
				uid = 601795323
				mid = 1199673181
				parent = 0
				position = 0,0,0
				rotation = 0,0,0,1
				mirror = 1,1,1
				istg = 0
				dstg = 0
				sqor = -1
				sidx = -1
				attm = 0
				srfN = None, -1
				attN = None, -1
				attN = None, -1
				mass = 0.05
				temp = -46.10883
				expt = 0.5
				state = 0
				connected = True
				attached = True
				flag = Thomas/Flags/asteroid
				rTrf = batteryBank (Collins 1 Rover)
				EVENTS
				{
				}
				ACTIONS
				{
				}
				RESOURCE
				{
					name = ElectricCharge
					amount = 453.80524365475
					maxAmount = 1000
					flowState = True
					isTweakable = True
					hideFlow = False
					flowMode = Both
				}
			}
			PART
			{
				name = sensorThermometer
				uid = 697073074
				mid = 1199673181
				parent = 0
				position = 4.8179267650994E-06,0.0933459475636482,-0.446930140256882
				rotation = -0.5000002,0.5000002,-0.5000002,-0.5000002
				mirror = 1,1,1
				istg = 0
				dstg = 0
				sqor = -1
				sidx = -1
				attm = 1
				srfN = srfAttach, 0
				mass = 0.005
				temp = -45.79527
				expt = 0.5
				state = 0
				connected = True
				attached = True
				flag = Thomas/Flags/asteroid
				rTrf = sensorThermometer
				EVENTS
				{
				}
				ACTIONS
				{
				}
				MODULE
				{
					name = ModuleEnviroSensor
					isEnabled = True
					sensorActive = False
					EVENTS
					{
						Toggle
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Toggle Display
							guiName = Toggle Display
							category = Toggle Display
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
					}
					ACTIONS
					{
						ToggleAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
						}
					}
				}
				MODULE
				{
					name = ModuleScienceExperiment
					isEnabled = True
					Deployed = True
					Inoperable = False
					EVENTS
					{
						DeployExperiment
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Deploy
							guiName = Log Temperature
							category = Deploy
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						CollectDataExternalEvent
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = False
							guiIcon = 
							guiName = Take Data
							category = 
							guiActiveUnfocused = True
							unfocusedRange = 1.2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						ReviewDataEvent
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Review Data
							guiName = Review Data
							category = Review Data
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						ResetExperiment
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Reset
							guiName = Delete Data
							category = Reset
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						ResetExperimentExternal
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = False
							guiIcon = Reset
							guiName = Delete Data
							category = Reset
							guiActiveUnfocused = True
							unfocusedRange = 1.2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
					}
					ACTIONS
					{
						DeployAction
						{
							actionGroup = Custom01
						}
						ResetAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
						}
					}
					ScienceData
					{
						data = 8
						subjectID = temperatureScan@MunSrfLandedCanyons
						xmit = 0.5
						labBoost = 0
						title = Temperature Scan from the Mun's Canyons
					}
				}
			}
			PART
			{
				name = solarPanels5
				uid = 992812985
				mid = 1199673181
				parent = 0
				position = -0.437725782394409,0.0933461636304855,-2.08723804462352E-07
				rotation = 0.7071071,0,0,-0.7071071
				mirror = 1,1,1
				istg = 0
				dstg = 0
				sqor = -1
				sidx = -1
				attm = 1
				srfN = srfAttach, 0
				mass = 0.005
				temp = -45.74087
				expt = 0.5
				state = 0
				connected = True
				attached = True
				flag = Thomas/Flags/asteroid
				rTrf = solarPanels5
				EVENTS
				{
				}
				ACTIONS
				{
				}
				MODULE
				{
					name = ModuleDeployableSolarPanel
					isEnabled = True
					currentRotation = (0, 0, 0, 1)
					stateString = EXTENDED
					storedAnimationTime = 0
					storedAnimationSpeed = 0
					EVENTS
					{
						Extend
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Extend Panels
							guiName = Extend Panels
							category = Extend Panels
							guiActiveUnfocused = True
							unfocusedRange = 4
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						Retract
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Retract Panels
							guiName = Retract Panels
							category = Retract Panels
							guiActiveUnfocused = True
							unfocusedRange = 4
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
					}
					ACTIONS
					{
						ExtendPanelsAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
						}
						ExtendAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
						}
						RetractAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
						}
					}
				}
			}
			PART
			{
				name = seatExternalCmd
				uid = 772457356
				mid = 1199673181
				parent = 0
				position = -1.82370945367438E-06,0.293344348669052,0.153198316693306
				rotation = 0.7071071,0,0,0.7071071
				mirror = 1,1,1
				istg = 0
				dstg = 0
				sqor = -1
				sidx = -1
				attm = 1
				srfN = srfAttach, 0
				mass = 0.05
				temp = -45.73387
				expt = 0.5
				state = 0
				connected = True
				attached = True
				flag = Thomas/Flags/asteroid
				rTrf = seatExternalCmd
				EVENTS
				{
				}
				ACTIONS
				{
				}
				MODULE
				{
					name = KerbalSeat
					isEnabled = True
					occupantID = 1000365954
					EVENTS
					{
						BoardSeat
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = False
							guiIcon = Board
							guiName = Board
							category = Board
							guiActiveUnfocused = True
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
					}
					ACTIONS
					{
					}
				}
				MODULE
				{
					name = ModuleTripLogger
					isEnabled = True
					EVENTS
					{
					}
					ACTIONS
					{
					}
					Surfaced
					{
						at = Mun
					}
					Flew
					{
						at = Kerbin
					}
					FlewBy
					{
						at = Mun
					}
					Orbited
					{
						at = Kerbin
						at = Mun
					}
					SubOrbited
					{
						at = Kerbin
						at = Mun
					}
				}
			}
			PART
			{
				name = roverWheel2
				uid = 788438500
				mid = 1199673181
				parent = 0
				position = -0.525620639324188,-0.455195307731628,-0.523632526397705
				rotation = 0,-2.68221E-07,0,-1
				mirror = 1,1,1
				istg = 0
				dstg = 0
				sqor = -1
				sidx = -1
				attm = 1
				sym = 5
				srfN = srfAttach, 0
				mass = 0.05
				temp = -45.6329
				expt = 0.5
				state = 0
				connected = True
				attached = True
				flag = Thomas/Flags/asteroid
				rTrf = roverWheel2
				EVENTS
				{
				}
				ACTIONS
				{
				}
				MODULE
				{
					name = ModuleWheel
					isEnabled = True
					brakesEngaged = True
					steeringLocked = True
					isDamaged = True
					invertSteering = False
					motorEnabled = True
					EVENTS
					{
						UnLockSteering
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = True
							guiActiveEditor = True
							guiIcon = Unlock Steering
							guiName = Unlock Steering
							category = Unlock Steering
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						LockSteering
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = True
							guiActiveEditor = True
							guiIcon = Lock Steering
							guiName = Lock Steering
							category = Lock Steering
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						EnableMotor
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = True
							guiActiveEditor = True
							guiIcon = Enable Motor
							guiName = Enable Motor
							category = Enable Motor
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						DisableMotor
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = True
							guiActiveEditor = True
							guiIcon = Disable Motor
							guiName = Disable Motor
							category = Disable Motor
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						InvertSteering
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = True
							guiActiveEditor = True
							guiIcon = Invert Steering
							guiName = Invert Steering
							category = Invert Steering
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						RepairWheel
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Repair Wheel
							guiName = Repair Wheel
							category = Repair Wheel
							guiActiveUnfocused = True
							unfocusedRange = 4
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
					}
					ACTIONS
					{
						InvertSteeringAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
						}
						LockSteeringAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
						}
						UnlockSteeringAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
						}
						ToggleSteeringAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
						}
						ToggleMotorAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
						}
						BrakesAction
						{
							actionGroup = Brakes
						}
					}
				}
				MODULE
				{
					name = FXModuleLookAtConstraint
					isEnabled = True
					EVENTS
					{
					}
					ACTIONS
					{
					}
				}
				MODULE
				{
					name = FXModuleConstrainPosition
					isEnabled = True
					EVENTS
					{
					}
					ACTIONS
					{
					}
				}
			}
			PART
			{
				name = roverWheel2
				uid = 664192214
				mid = 1199673181
				parent = 0
				position = 0.525640249252319,-0.455195307731628,-0.523632049560547
				rotation = 0,1,2.68221E-07,0
				mirror = 1,1,1
				istg = 0
				dstg = 0
				sqor = -1
				sidx = -1
				attm = 1
				sym = 4
				srfN = srfAttach, 0
				mass = 0.05
				temp = -45.58066
				expt = 0.5
				state = 0
				connected = True
				attached = True
				flag = Thomas/Flags/asteroid
				rTrf = roverWheel2
				EVENTS
				{
				}
				ACTIONS
				{
				}
				MODULE
				{
					name = ModuleWheel
					isEnabled = True
					brakesEngaged = True
					steeringLocked = True
					isDamaged = False
					invertSteering = False
					motorEnabled = True
					EVENTS
					{
						UnLockSteering
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = True
							guiActiveEditor = True
							guiIcon = Unlock Steering
							guiName = Unlock Steering
							category = Unlock Steering
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						LockSteering
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = True
							guiActiveEditor = True
							guiIcon = Lock Steering
							guiName = Lock Steering
							category = Lock Steering
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						EnableMotor
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = True
							guiActiveEditor = True
							guiIcon = Enable Motor
							guiName = Enable Motor
							category = Enable Motor
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						DisableMotor
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = True
							guiActiveEditor = True
							guiIcon = Disable Motor
							guiName = Disable Motor
							category = Disable Motor
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						InvertSteering
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = True
							guiActiveEditor = True
							guiIcon = Invert Steering
							guiName = Invert Steering
							category = Invert Steering
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						RepairWheel
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = False
							guiIcon = Repair Wheel
							guiName = Repair Wheel
							category = Repair Wheel
							guiActiveUnfocused = True
							unfocusedRange = 4
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
					}
					ACTIONS
					{
						InvertSteeringAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
						}
						LockSteeringAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
						}
						UnlockSteeringAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
						}
						ToggleSteeringAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
						}
						ToggleMotorAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
						}
						BrakesAction
						{
							actionGroup = Brakes
						}
					}
				}
				MODULE
				{
					name = FXModuleLookAtConstraint
					isEnabled = True
					EVENTS
					{
					}
					ACTIONS
					{
					}
				}
				MODULE
				{
					name = FXModuleConstrainPosition
					isEnabled = True
					EVENTS
					{
					}
					ACTIONS
					{
					}
				}
			}
			PART
			{
				name = roverWheel2
				uid = 360896697
				mid = 1199673181
				parent = 0
				position = -0.527040600776672,-0.455621212720871,0.526069641113281
				rotation = 0,2.68221E-07,0,-1
				mirror = 1,1,1
				istg = 0
				dstg = 0
				sqor = -1
				sidx = -1
				attm = 1
				sym = 7
				srfN = srfAttach, 0
				mass = 0.05
				temp = -45.5286
				expt = 0.5
				state = 0
				connected = True
				attached = True
				flag = Thomas/Flags/asteroid
				rTrf = roverWheel2
				EVENTS
				{
				}
				ACTIONS
				{
				}
				MODULE
				{
					name = ModuleWheel
					isEnabled = True
					brakesEngaged = True
					steeringLocked = False
					isDamaged = False
					invertSteering = False
					motorEnabled = True
					EVENTS
					{
						UnLockSteering
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = True
							guiActiveEditor = True
							guiIcon = Unlock Steering
							guiName = Unlock Steering
							category = Unlock Steering
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						LockSteering
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = True
							guiActiveEditor = True
							guiIcon = Lock Steering
							guiName = Lock Steering
							category = Lock Steering
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						EnableMotor
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = True
							guiActiveEditor = True
							guiIcon = Enable Motor
							guiName = Enable Motor
							category = Enable Motor
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						DisableMotor
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = True
							guiActiveEditor = True
							guiIcon = Disable Motor
							guiName = Disable Motor
							category = Disable Motor
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						InvertSteering
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = True
							guiActiveEditor = True
							guiIcon = Invert Steering
							guiName = Invert Steering
							category = Invert Steering
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						RepairWheel
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = False
							guiIcon = Repair Wheel
							guiName = Repair Wheel
							category = Repair Wheel
							guiActiveUnfocused = True
							unfocusedRange = 4
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
					}
					ACTIONS
					{
						InvertSteeringAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
						}
						LockSteeringAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
						}
						UnlockSteeringAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
						}
						ToggleSteeringAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
						}
						ToggleMotorAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
						}
						BrakesAction
						{
							actionGroup = Brakes
						}
					}
				}
				MODULE
				{
					name = FXModuleLookAtConstraint
					isEnabled = True
					EVENTS
					{
					}
					ACTIONS
					{
					}
				}
				MODULE
				{
					name = FXModuleConstrainPosition
					isEnabled = True
					EVENTS
					{
					}
					ACTIONS
					{
					}
				}
			}
			PART
			{
				name = roverWheel2
				uid = 353639280
				mid = 1199673181
				parent = 0
				position = 0.527038395404816,-0.455621212720871,0.526070117950439
				rotation = -1.341105E-07,1,-1.937151E-07,-1.937151E-07
				mirror = 1,1,1
				istg = 0
				dstg = 0
				sqor = -1
				sidx = -1
				attm = 1
				sym = 6
				srfN = srfAttach, 0
				mass = 0.05
				temp = -45.47657
				expt = 0.5
				state = 0
				connected = True
				attached = True
				flag = Thomas/Flags/asteroid
				rTrf = roverWheel2
				EVENTS
				{
				}
				ACTIONS
				{
				}
				MODULE
				{
					name = ModuleWheel
					isEnabled = True
					brakesEngaged = True
					steeringLocked = False
					isDamaged = False
					invertSteering = False
					motorEnabled = True
					EVENTS
					{
						UnLockSteering
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = True
							guiActiveEditor = True
							guiIcon = Unlock Steering
							guiName = Unlock Steering
							category = Unlock Steering
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						LockSteering
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = True
							guiActiveEditor = True
							guiIcon = Lock Steering
							guiName = Lock Steering
							category = Lock Steering
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						EnableMotor
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = True
							guiActiveEditor = True
							guiIcon = Enable Motor
							guiName = Enable Motor
							category = Enable Motor
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						DisableMotor
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = True
							guiActiveEditor = True
							guiIcon = Disable Motor
							guiName = Disable Motor
							category = Disable Motor
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						InvertSteering
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = True
							guiActiveEditor = True
							guiIcon = Invert Steering
							guiName = Invert Steering
							category = Invert Steering
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						RepairWheel
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = False
							guiIcon = Repair Wheel
							guiName = Repair Wheel
							category = Repair Wheel
							guiActiveUnfocused = True
							unfocusedRange = 4
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
					}
					ACTIONS
					{
						InvertSteeringAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
						}
						LockSteeringAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
						}
						UnlockSteeringAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
						}
						ToggleSteeringAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
						}
						ToggleMotorAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
						}
						BrakesAction
						{
							actionGroup = Brakes
						}
					}
				}
				MODULE
				{
					name = FXModuleLookAtConstraint
					isEnabled = True
					EVENTS
					{
					}
					ACTIONS
					{
					}
				}
				MODULE
				{
					name = FXModuleConstrainPosition
					isEnabled = True
					EVENTS
					{
					}
					ACTIONS
					{
					}
				}
			}
			PART
			{
				name = kerbalEVA
				uid = 1000365954
				mid = 1199673181
				parent = 3
				position = -3.47713939845562E-05,0.35339617729187,0.230216190218925
				rotation = 3.394106E-06,-1.4459E-06,-4.447181E-06,1
				mirror = 1,1,1
				istg = 0
				dstg = 0
				sqor = -1
				sidx = -1
				attm = 0
				srfN = None, -1
				mass = 0.09375
				temp = -45.60902
				expt = 0
				state = 0
				connected = True
				attached = True
				flag = Thomas/Flags/asteroid
				rTrf = referenceTransform
				crew = 14
				EVENTS
				{
				}
				ACTIONS
				{
				}
				MODULE
				{
					name = KerbalEVA
					isEnabled = True
					state = Ragdoll
					step = 1.208333
					packExt = True
					lightOn = True
					flags = 0
					EVENTS
					{
						PlantFlag
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Plant Flag [1]
							guiName = Plant Flag [0]
							category = Plant Flag [1]
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						MakeReference
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Control From Here
							guiName = Control From Here
							category = Control From Here
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						OnDeboardSeat
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Leave Seat
							guiName = Leave Seat
							category = Leave Seat
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						RenameVessel
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Rename Vessel
							guiName = Rename Vessel
							category = Rename Vessel
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
					}
					ACTIONS
					{
					}
					vInfo
					{
						vesselName = Neilgee Kerman
						vesselType = 9
						rootUId = 1000365954
					}
				}
				MODULE
				{
					name = ModuleScienceExperiment
					isEnabled = True
					Deployed = True
					Inoperable = False
					EVENTS
					{
						DeployExperiment
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Deploy
							guiName = Take Surface Sample
							category = Deploy
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						CollectDataExternalEvent
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = False
							guiIcon = 
							guiName = Take Data
							category = 
							guiActiveUnfocused = True
							unfocusedRange = 1.5
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						ReviewDataEvent
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Review Data
							guiName = Review Sample
							category = Review Data
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						ResetExperiment
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Reset
							guiName = Discard Sample
							category = Reset
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						ResetExperimentExternal
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = False
							guiIcon = Reset
							guiName = Discard Sample
							category = Reset
							guiActiveUnfocused = True
							unfocusedRange = 1.5
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
					}
					ACTIONS
					{
						DeployAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
							active = False
						}
						ResetAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
							active = False
						}
					}
					ScienceData
					{
						data = 30
						subjectID = surfaceSample@MunSrfLandedCanyons
						xmit = 0.25
						labBoost = 0
						title = Surface Sample from the Mun's Canyons
					}
				}
				MODULE
				{
					name = ModuleScienceExperiment
					isEnabled = True
					Deployed = True
					Inoperable = False
					EVENTS
					{
						DeployExperiment
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Deploy
							guiName = EVA Report
							category = Deploy
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						CollectDataExternalEvent
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = False
							guiIcon = 
							guiName = Take Data
							category = 
							guiActiveUnfocused = True
							unfocusedRange = 1.5
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						ReviewDataEvent
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Review Data
							guiName = Review Report
							category = Review Data
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						ResetExperiment
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Reset
							guiName = Discard Report
							category = Reset
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						ResetExperimentExternal
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = False
							guiIcon = Reset
							guiName = Discard Report
							category = Reset
							guiActiveUnfocused = True
							unfocusedRange = 1.5
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
					}
					ACTIONS
					{
						DeployAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
							active = False
						}
						ResetAction
						{
							actionGroup = None
							active = False
						}
					}
					ScienceData
					{
						data = 8
						subjectID = evaReport@MunSrfLandedCanyons
						xmit = 1
						labBoost = 0
						title = EVA Report from the Mun's Canyons
					}
				}
				MODULE
				{
					name = ModuleScienceContainer
					isEnabled = True
					EVENTS
					{
						StoreDataExternalEvent
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = False
							guiIcon = 
							guiName = Give Data (3)
							category = 
							guiActiveUnfocused = True
							unfocusedRange = 1
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						CollectDataExternalEvent
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = False
							guiIcon = 
							guiName = Take Data (2)
							category = 
							guiActiveUnfocused = True
							unfocusedRange = 1
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
						ReviewDataEvent
						{
							active = False
							guiActive = True
							guiIcon = Review Data
							guiName = Review Stored Data (0)
							category = Review Data
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
					}
					ACTIONS
					{
					}
				}
				MODULE
				{
					name = FlagDecal
					isEnabled = True
					flagDisplayed = True
					EVENTS
					{
						ToggleFlag
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = False
							guiActiveEditor = True
							guiIcon = ToggleFlag
							guiName = ToggleFlag
							category = ToggleFlag
							guiActiveUnfocused = False
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
					}
					ACTIONS
					{
					}
				}
				RESOURCE
				{
					name = EVA Propellant
					amount = 1.05576678072939
					maxAmount = 5
					flowState = True
					isTweakable = False
					hideFlow = False
					flowMode = Both
				}
			}
			ACTIONGROUPS
			{
				Stage = True, 849361113.398812
				Gear = True, 849361274.518658
				Light = False, 0
				RCS = False, 849338868.503174
				SAS = True, 849359331.835915
				Brakes = True, 849365803.35042
				Abort = False, 0
				Custom01 = True, 849365091.171099
				Custom02 = False, 0
				Custom03 = False, 0
				Custom04 = False, 0
				Custom05 = True, 849340171.881931
				Custom06 = True, 849340170.681932
				Custom07 = False, 0
				Custom08 = False, 0
				Custom09 = False, 0
				Custom10 = False, 0
			}
			DISCOVERY
			{
				state = -1
				lastObservedTime = 0
				lifetime = Infinity
				refTime = Infinity
				size = 2
			}
			FLIGHTPLAN
			{
			}
			CTRLSTATE
			{
				pitch = 0
				yaw = 0
				roll = 0
				trimPitch = 0
				trimYaw = 0
				trimRoll = 0
				mainThrottle = 0
			}
		}

[Claw]

Change his state:

state = [COLOR="#FF0000"]Seated (Command)[/COLOR]

and reactivate his "Deboard" ability

OnDeboardSeat
{
	active = [COLOR="#FF0000"]True[/COLOR]
	guiActive = True
	guiIcon = Leave Seat
	guiName = Leave Seat
	category = Leave Seat
	guiActiveUnfocused = False
	unfocusedRange = 2
	externalToEVAOnly = True
}

Your IDs and connection nodes look okay. Hopefully the above will wake him up. (Maybe keep an un-edited copy in case it goes poorly.)

Edited April 26, 2014 by Claw

[cantab]

Excellent, that did the trick thanks!

[Claw]

Excellent, that did the trick thanks!

Awesome!

I will add your info to the main post when I get a chance.

[ArmchairGravy]

Change his state:

state = [COLOR="#FF0000"]Seated (Command)[/COLOR]

and reactivate his "Deboard" ability

OnDeboardSeat
{
	active = [COLOR="#FF0000"]True[/COLOR]
	guiActive = True
	guiIcon = Leave Seat
	guiName = Leave Seat
	category = Leave Seat
	guiActiveUnfocused = False
	unfocusedRange = 2
	externalToEVAOnly = True
}

Your IDs and connection nodes look okay. Hopefully the above will wake him up. (Maybe keep an un-edited copy in case it goes poorly.)

You may want to clarify the first box is referring to KerbalEVA state. It was Idle (Grounded) which I changed to Seated (Command). Otherwise it was very clear and fixed my problem. Thanks!

[Claw]

You may want to clarify the first box is referring to KerbalEVA state. It was Idle (Grounded) which I changed to Seated (Command). Otherwise it was very clear and fixed my problem. Thanks!

Ah, yes. I will do that for the main post (which I have been lazy about). I was answering Cantab directly and he had already found the right spot.

Thanks for the feedback!

[twich22]

I ran into basically all of these problems: most were a result of using a rover. some were fixed when i updated to .564. some needed some fixing but i managed to get everything working again after the update. However, I also ran into another problem not listed here but similar. at one point, as i was reverting to a quicksave after running into an error, an autosave happened at the same time. I found that my quicksave was corrupt, as well as my persistant. What happened was, when i entered the quicksave, it took me to a moon rover which immediately showed an explosion (although nothing that I could see actually blew up). I think it is possible that the rover was moving, possibly at high speeds, at the time of the quick save but i am not sure, since this should not be possible. After the explosion upon loading, the rover sat still a foot or two off the ground. I could have my Kerbal leave the command seat, however he would stand up and then freeze in the T position, and I could not return to the space center, because I think the throttle was up (I was seeing if throttle did anything at the time), and changing it was not possible. so basically the game was completely stuck.

The persistent save was a similar situation, basically when trying to switch to the rover, I got a black screen with a HUD display, where the altitude reading quickly ran between 99999999 and 00000000.

Anyways, in order to fix the problem, I went into the quicksave, Found the VESSEL for the Rover and changed the state from Sub-Orbital to Landed, and set Landed from False to True. When I tried to load my quick save while in game I got another black screen like the one from the persistent save. I then removed my persistent save, renamed the "quicksave" file to "persistent", and loaded the game that way. this time instead of loading straight to the rover i loaded to the space center, I might have then warped time a bit to make sure that the rover was fully landed and stopped, and then switched to the rover, to find everything fixed and working! Anyways thanks for all your help in documenting the solutions to these errors, I was searching around for solutions and could not find any until I ran into your post.

[pointyhairedjedi]

First off I want to say I'm glad I found this thread, though unfortunately for me the problem isn't solved by the suggested solution. I had a rover tumble and now my Kerbal (Jebediah himself) is stuck in the command seat - at first in a ragdoll state, but then he got up and basically walks around with the rover as it moves, still in the seat. He can even deploy his RCS pack and make use of it, but he's still very much stuck in place.

What I've tried so far is editing the save file in the way outlined in the first post, to this state:

PART            {
                name = kerbalEVA
                uid = 1079289064
                mid = 758939545
                parent = 28
                position = -0.57072925567627,-0.547558307647705,-4.43140379502438E-06
                rotation = -0.5000006,0.4999998,0.5000004,0.4999994
                mirror = 1,1,1
                istg = 0
                dstg = 0
                sqor = -1
                sidx = -1
                attm = 0
                srfN = None, -1
                mass = 0.09375
                temp = 0
                expt = 0
                state = 0
                connected = True
                attached = True
                flag = Squad/Flags/kerbinmunflag
                rTrf = referenceTransform
                crew = 0
                EVENTS
                {
                }
                ACTIONS
                {
                }
                MODULE
                {
                    name = Jebediah Kerman
                    isEnabled = True
                    state = state = Seated (Command)
                    step = 1.208333
                    packExt = False
                    lightOn = False
                    flags = 1
                    EVENTS
                    {
                        PlantFlag
                        {
                            active = False
                            guiActive = True
                            guiIcon = Plant Flag [1]
                            guiName = Plant Flag [1]
                            category = Plant Flag [1]
                            guiActiveUnfocused = False
                            unfocusedRange = 2
                            externalToEVAOnly = True
                        }
                        MakeReference
                        {
                            active = False
                            guiActive = True
                            guiIcon = Control From Here
                            guiName = Control From Here
                            category = Control From Here
                            guiActiveUnfocused = False
                            unfocusedRange = 2
                            externalToEVAOnly = True
                        }
                        OnDeboardSeat
                        {
                            active = True
                            guiActive = True
                            guiIcon = Leave Seat
                            guiName = Leave Seat
                            category = Leave Seat
                            guiActiveUnfocused = False
                            unfocusedRange = 2
                            externalToEVAOnly = True
                        }
                        RenameVessel
                        {
                            active = False
                            guiActive = True
                            guiIcon = Rename Vessel
                            guiName = Rename Vessel
                            category = Rename Vessel
                            guiActiveUnfocused = False
                            unfocusedRange = 2
                            externalToEVAOnly = True
                        }
                    }
                    ACTIONS
                    {
                    }
                    vInfo
                    {
                        vesselName = Jebediah Kerman
                        vesselType = 9
                        rootUId = 1079289064
                    }

When I log into the save though, everything is the same, and the save file reverts back to this:

PART            {
                name = kerbalEVA
                uid = 1079289064
                mid = 758939545
                parent = 28
                position = -0.57072925567627,-0.547558307647705,-4.43140379502438E-06
                rotation = -0.5000006,0.4999998,0.5000004,0.4999994
                mirror = 1,1,1
                istg = 0
                dstg = 0
                sqor = -1
                sidx = -1
                attm = 0
                srfN = None, -1
                mass = 0.09375
                temp = -18.0078
                expt = 0
                state = 0
                connected = True
                attached = True
                flag = Squad/Flags/kerbinmunflag
                rTrf = referenceTransform
                crew = 0
                EVENTS
                {
                }
                ACTIONS
                {
                }
                MODULE
                {
                    name = KerbalEVA
                    isEnabled = True
                    state = Idle (Grounded)
                    step = 1.208333
                    packExt = False
                    lightOn = False
                    flags = 1
                    EVENTS
                    {
                        PlantFlag
                        {
                            active = False
                            guiActive = True
                            guiIcon = Plant Flag [1]
                            guiName = Plant Flag [1]
                            category = Plant Flag [1]
                            guiActiveUnfocused = False
                            unfocusedRange = 2
                            externalToEVAOnly = True
                        }
                        MakeReference
                        {
                            active = False
                            guiActive = True
                            guiIcon = Control From Here
                            guiName = Control From Here
                            category = Control From Here
                            guiActiveUnfocused = False
                            unfocusedRange = 2
                            externalToEVAOnly = True
                        }
                        OnDeboardSeat
                        {
                            active = False
                            guiActive = True
                            guiIcon = Leave Seat
                            guiName = Leave Seat
                            category = Leave Seat
                            guiActiveUnfocused = False
                            unfocusedRange = 2
                            externalToEVAOnly = True
                        }
                        RenameVessel
                        {
                            active = False
                            guiActive = True
                            guiIcon = Rename Vessel
                            guiName = Rename Vessel
                            category = Rename Vessel
                            guiActiveUnfocused = False
                            unfocusedRange = 2
                            externalToEVAOnly = True
                        }
                    }
                    ACTIONS
                    {
                    }
                    vInfo
                    {
                        vesselName = Mun Rover Alpha
                        vesselType = 9
                        rootUId = 1079289064
                    }
                }

I'm using .564, along with a few mods, though I think MechJeb and 2 batteries are the only non-stock parts on the rover. Is there any way to edit the save file so he's no longer in the rover at all? It seems to be the only way out of this mess, the game is just ignoring the suggested changes completely.

[Claw]

Anyways, in order to fix the problem, I went into the quicksave, Found the VESSEL for the Rover and changed the state from Sub-Orbital to Landed, and set Landed from False to True. When I tried to load my quick save while in game I got another black screen like the one from the persistent save. I then removed my persistent save, renamed the "quicksave" file to "persistent", and loaded the game that way. this time instead of loading straight to the rover i loaded to the space center, I might have then warped time a bit to make sure that the rover was fully landed and stopped, and then switched to the rover, to find everything fixed and working! Anyways thanks for all your help in documenting the solutions to these errors, I was searching around for solutions and could not find any until I ran into your post.

Awesome, I'm glad you got your guys fixed up! Sounds like you ran into an extension of this problem, or perhaps a second bug with the throttle and flight states. Thanks for the extra info.

If you still have a corrupted save file I'd like to have a look so I can include that information here.

Edited May 3, 2014 by Claw

[Claw]

This may be the reason your game is ignoring your changes. In what you posted, you put:

                    state = state = Seated (Command)

It shouldn't be "state = state = Seated (Command)" It should just be "state = Seated (Command)".

I'm not sure if that's a typo in your post, but it looks like you copied and pasted a bit too much.

Also, for a kerbal stuck in a command seat you don't change the name.

                 MODULE
                {
                    name = Jebediah Kerman
                    isEnabled = True

This is the module section. So here you need to leave the "name = kerbalEVA". You only want to change the name part if your kerbal is actually EVA, but not when he's stuck to an external command seat.

Please remember to also scroll down to the CREW section at the end of the save file and check his "State = 1" and "idx = 0".

You can also edit him out of the rover, but it'll take me a minute to find all the relevant parts.

Edited May 3, 2014 by Claw

[pointyhairedjedi]

I think it was that very last CREW section that was the missing thing, I tried it four times prior and doubt that I did the same copy-paste error all four times... though knowing me it's not out of the realm of possibility. Anyway, you have my thanks, and Jebediah's too!

[Tiron]

I think I might have got at least a partial bead on what causes this, today. I was out doing preliminary testing on a modified rover design at my usual spot: out in all the pipes and junk by the launchpad, using Rollkage mk2s. A couple times in flip-testing, the Kerbals riding in it got ragdolled, still locked in the command chairs. In this state they were able to do EVA reports and surface samples but not to get out of the chair. I was a bit confused by this so I started trying to do more specific testing, to find out how it was happening.

What I found was this: when it's sitting perfectly on the top, the ground clips into the rollkage just a bit. If it hits just right, it's able to clip through far enough that it JUST hits the top of their heads, which seems to be able to ragdoll them without detaching them at least some of the time. On the attempt where I finally saw what was happing, Hanzor got detached, Kenzor got ragdolled but was still in the chair. When I switched to Hanzor(who was working fine), Kenzor immediately popped out of the chair and ended up standing on top of it...now flagged as Debris.

It's pretty suggestive that this 'ragdolled but still in the chair' state is causing the 'flagged as debris' problem when they subsequently get detached, at least some of the time. It seems like there's some particular set of conditions, or maybe just an intermediate level of force, that ragdolls them but doesn't detach them. I suspect that most rover designs aren't able to manage that just perfect level of almost-protection where they can get hit just hard enough to induce it without taking a subsequent, harder hit that detaches them entirely.

It's only one data point, so it's not conclusive, obviously, but it is interesting.