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sumghai

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Is nobody going to answer me?!

You dumped your entire SFS file in your forum post, which makes it hard for people to look through to see what the problem is. In the future, please put your SFS file contents onto a site such as pastebin, and then link to the pastebin entry in your forum post.

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Ok. Here is a PasteBin link that will show my entire sfs file. Please look through it and tell me what I can do to fix my problem

It looks like your kerbal is missing some state information. This is very unusual, so it makes me wonder if you are using mods, or if this part of the save file has changed in 1.0 (I haven't confirmed).

However, this part is missing from the snippet you posted above.


				MODULE
				{
					name = KerbalEVA
					isEnabled = True
[COLOR="#FF0000"]					state = Ragdoll
					step = 1.208333
					packExt = False
					lightOn = False
					flags = 1[/COLOR]
					EVENTS
					{

Keep a copy of your save. Put that information in and load it up. See if that fixes your kerbal. As a minimum, you need the state information. Try setting him as Ragdoll. Then when you switch to him, press some keys and that will (hopefully) revive/reset him.

Cheers,

~Claw

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It looks like your kerbal is missing some state information. This is very unusual, so it makes me wonder if you are using mods, or if this part of the save file has changed in 1.0 (I haven't confirmed).

However, this part is missing from the snippet you posted above.


                MODULE
                {
                    name = KerbalEVA
                    isEnabled = True
[COLOR=#FF0000]                    state = Ragdoll
                    step = 1.208333
                    packExt = False
                    lightOn = False
                    flags = 1[/COLOR]
                    EVENTS
                    {

Keep a copy of your save. Put that information in and load it up. See if that fixes your kerbal. As a minimum, you need the state information. Try setting him as Ragdoll. Then when you switch to him, press some keys and that will (hopefully) revive/reset him.

Cheers,

~Claw

That did not work. When I went back to check. That code was gone again

- - - Updated - - -

It looks like your kerbal is missing some state information. This is very unusual, so it makes me wonder if you are using mods, or if this part of the save file has changed in 1.0 (I haven't confirmed).

However, this part is missing from the snippet you posted above.


                MODULE
                {
                    name = KerbalEVA
                    isEnabled = True
[COLOR=#FF0000]                    state = Ragdoll
                    step = 1.208333
                    packExt = False
                    lightOn = False
                    flags = 1[/COLOR]
                    EVENTS
                    {

Keep a copy of your save. Put that information in and load it up. See if that fixes your kerbal. As a minimum, you need the state information. Try setting him as Ragdoll. Then when you switch to him, press some keys and that will (hopefully) revive/reset him.

Cheers,

~Claw

That did not work. When I went back to check. That code was gone again

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danfarnsy

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I have a bug that has a lot of similarities, but isn't identical. I put Jeb in an external command seat on a space station. After I focused somewhere else, did some time warping too, I came back, and he was stuck in the chair but wasn't sitting in it. In the save file, he isn't a separate vessel. He's considered as part of the station! I can right click on him, and I can turn his RCS on and off, but he can't go anywhere. His EVA-ness is also listed as a part of the space station, but its mid differs from the others parts that are on the station. I'm going to pull snippets from my persistent.sfs as it contains about 200k lines:

...
			PART
			{
				name = kerbalEVA
				cid = 4290782026
				uid = 337871138
				mid = 2550075542
				launchID = 29
				parent = 22
				position = -4.82648611068726E-05,2.13600254058838,1.50091171264648
				rotation = -2.093764E-05,-0.7071021,-0.7071115,-1.2376E-05
				mirror = 1,1,1
				symMethod = Radial
				istg = 0
				dstg = 0
				sqor = -1
				sepI = 0
				sidx = -1
				attm = 0
				srfN = , -1
				mass = 0.108808
				temp = 202.340237725379
				tempExt = 202.372394204076
				expt = 0
				state = 0
				connected = True
				attached = True
				flag = Squad/Flags/marathon
				rTrf = referenceTransform
				modCost = 108.4533
				crew = Jebediah Kerman
				EVENTS
				{
				}
				ACTIONS
				{
				}
				PARTDATA
				{
				}
				MODULE
				{
					name = KerbalEVA
					isEnabled = True
					state = Idle (Floating)
					step = 1.208333
					packExt = False
					lightOn = False
					flags = 1
...

He is also no longer associated with the external command seat in the .sfs file:

...
			PART
			{
				name = seatExternalCmd
				cid = 4283717204
				uid = 1040512581
				mid = 3889663570
				launchID = 40
				parent = 3
				position = -1.25317868082675E-07,2.05902099609375,-1.4409453868866
				rotation = 2.38337E-07,0,0,-1
				mirror = 1,1,1
				symMethod = Radial
				istg = 0
				dstg = 0
				sqor = -1
				sepI = 0
				sidx = -1
				attm = 1
				sym = 22
				srfN = srfAttach, 3
				mass = 0.05
				temp = 203.379101717382
				tempExt = 203.377217173194
				expt = 0.5
				state = 0
				connected = True
				attached = True
				flag = Squad/Flags/marathon
				rTrf = seatExternalCmd
				modCost = 0
				EVENTS
				{
				}
				ACTIONS
				{
				}
				PARTDATA
				{
				}
				MODULE
				{
					name = KerbalSeat
					isEnabled = True
					EVENTS
					{
						BoardSeat
						{
							active = True
							guiActive = False
							guiIcon = Board
							guiName = Board
							category = Board
							guiActiveUnfocused = True
							unfocusedRange = 2
							externalToEVAOnly = True
						}
					}
					ACTIONS
					{
					}
...

These are both under this vessel in the hierarchy:

...
		VESSEL
		{
			pid = f421d245eb9943e1bbaa5e36ec30c2a0
			name = Aleph One
			type = Station
			sit = ORBITING
			landed = False
			landedAt = 
			splashed = False
			met = 2692987.71640962
			lct = 3223147.12489085
			root = 0
			lat = -0.0020686399463425
			lon = 14.0110517332069
			alt = 2871808.35731683
			hgt = -1
			nrm = 0.9876834,0.004829683,0.1563923
			rot = 0.004771356,-0.04372516,-0.001511637,0.9990311
			CoM = -0.0003251135,9.324334,0.02644522
			stg = 5
			prst = False
			ref = 4210457764
			ctrl = True
			cPch = 
			cHdg = 
			cMod = 0
			ORBIT
			{
				SMA = 3474083.30259326
				ECC = 0.00094608892313072
				INC = 0.00278973762619378
				LPE = 177.102882003972
				LAN = 203.317217672553
				MNA = 0.805679382706733
				EPH = 5916134.84130047
				REF = 1
			}
			PART
			{
				name = mk2LanderCabin
				cid = 4287576876
				uid = 4210457764
				mid = 3889663570
				launchID = 40
...

So Jeb is a part of the station, (and TAC-LS is still feeding him from the station supply), but he has a non-matching 'mid' and 'launchID' from the rest of the parts, and he's in an 'idle' EVA state radially attached to the station. :huh: He doesn't seem to mind, of course. This is Jeb we're talking about! But I've got some work for him to do and I need him to get back in the boat.

I've tried editing the station, removing the EVA part completely and adding the line "crew = Jebediah Kerman" to one of the other crew parts with a seat free. It didn't work, and the save just plain wouldn't load. I also tried removing the command seats because I thought maybe Jeb was stuck on it. It turned weird, leaving most of the station just gone, though the two or three remaining visible parts (including the Mk2 Lander Can and a solar panel) were still rigid in relation to each other. I suspect that my problem is in how the parts link to each other, and that maybe if one part is referencing the command chairs or the radially attached EVA and it no longer exists when I load the save, it gets confused. But I don't really know.

Thoughts? I suppose I could try your patch, Claw, but it seemed like these were possibly different issues and I wanted to be careful.

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So Jeb is a part of the station, (and TAC-LS is still feeding him from the station supply), but he has a non-matching 'mid' and 'launchID' from the rest of the parts, and he's in an 'idle' EVA state radially attached to the station.

I've tried editing the station, removing the EVA part completely and adding the line "crew = Jebediah Kerman" to one of the other crew parts with a seat free. It didn't work, and the save just plain wouldn't load. I also tried removing the command seats because I thought maybe Jeb was stuck on it. It turned weird, leaving most of the station just gone, though the two or three remaining visible parts (including the Mk2 Lander Can and a solar panel) were still rigid in relation to each other. I suspect that my problem is in how the parts link to each other, and that maybe if one part is referencing the command chairs or the radially attached EVA and it no longer exists when I load the save, it gets confused. But I don't really know.

Thoughts? I suppose I could try your patch, Claw, but it seemed like these were possibly different issues and I wanted to be careful.

This is quite odd. It's been a little bit since I've dug in hard into the crew pieces of a save ship, but generally when they ragdoll in the seat, they don't become a separate part of the ship.

Do not delete the EVA part from the file. It will mess things up. What you could do is replace the EVA part with an inert part, like a cubic strut. Often times it's as easy as replacing the part name, and the game will take care of cleaning up the rest of the modules, etc. Then do the rest of what you say (adding him back to another crewed part. You'll also need to update the Crew Roster with his idx, which is the seat position number in whatever part you put him in. Two kerbals can't be in the same seat...

Really I'd need to see a little more of your save to be able to tell better. Or possibly some pictures. Though you should be able to do the part swap out, so long as you update the crew roster and crew capsule appropriately. Possibly your bug was made worse (or unique) because of other add-ons...?

No, my patch does not address this issue. At least not as you've described it. I'm not sure it would break anything in this case, since it's looking for things specific to a Kerbal on EVA (namely that the kerbal is the only part), but it definitely won't help.

Cheers,

~Claw

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FroggyCanuck

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Hi folks, first post, so apologies if this not the right thread, but I get this weird bug where I go on EVA, and when I board again, it creates an unresponsive Kerbal (on the ladder for example), while the main Kerbal, be it Bob or Bill, will be in the capsule. I can still use Bob, but if I go on EVA again, he'll have to push the unresponsive clone out of the way.

Same thing happens if I board again, another clone will be created and Bob in will be in the capsule. I once had 3 clones hanging on the ladder, which prevented me doing anything such as time warp, etc.

Only mods I use are chatterer and Hot rockets.

Can anybody help me out?

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Hi folks, first post, so apologies if this not the right thread

This is in the wrong spot, but it's no problem. I don't want to sound like you're being ignored, but this particular thread isn't quite for general bug fixing. Sounds like your issue is a bit different from the frozen-on-EVA bug as described.

So I will point you to the modded support forum, where you will likely get a better/faster response to your question. You can click on the link below and post your problem. If you can provide a few more details (such as the steps of what you are clicking on, and possibly even upload the save file) that often helps out.

Modded Support Forum: http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/forums/77-Support-%28modded-installs%29

Good luck, and welcome to the forums! :D

Cheers,

~Claw

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This is in the wrong spot, but it's no problem. I don't want to sound like you're being ignored, but this particular thread isn't quite for general bug fixing. Sounds like your issue is a bit different from the frozen-on-EVA bug as described.

So I will point you to the modded support forum, where you will likely get a better/faster response to your question. You can click on the link below and post your problem. If you can provide a few more details (such as the steps of what you are clicking on, and possibly even upload the save file) that often helps out.

Modded Support Forum: http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/forums/77-Support-%28modded-installs%29

Good luck, and welcome to the forums! :D

Cheers,

~Claw

Thanks Claw, I could have swore I put this in the modded support forum, must of had my eyes crossed! :blush:

Cheers!

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