Could Mars One complete It's goal?

[Guest]

I used to doubt Mars One's completion... But now... I think It'll happen... I mean... It had $122,211 the last time I checked... now It has $ 573,923.... and 1 Falcon Heavy launch would cost $77–135M and the project is supposed to be done by 2025... So maybe It JUST might happen...

I believe It'll be delayed... to say... 2027.

(Cause economix)

Whadda you think?

[gtrusler]

I think the issue that they are going to run into is the lack of available donators. One issue that already plagues the program is that no big names like Bill Gates or Ellon Musk are willing to fund such a flimsy project, and over time, they will run out of people who are willing to donate a couple hundred dollars or so.

[astropapi1]

There's no life support, no tested ways of growing food on a spacecraft, Dragon V2 hasn't flown yet (let alone the so called "red dragon"), Falcon Heavy hasn't flown yet, they don't have trained astronauts, we haven't landed something as big as a Dragon capsule on Mars yet, they would need the Deep Space Network, so they would still rely on government space programs...

There's too many "What if"s and not enough time to solve them all. Not gonna happen, sadly.

[Guest]

There's no life support, no tested ways of growing food on a spacecraft, Dragon V2 hasn't flown yet (let alone the so called "red dragon"), Falcon Heavy hasn't flown yet, they don't have trained astronauts, we haven't landed something as big as a Dragon capsule on Mars yet, they would need the Deep Space Network, so they would still rely on government space programs...

There's too many "What if"s and not enough time to solve them all. Not gonna happen, sadly.

One word. FUTURE.

It'll be different in the future...

and BTW we've grown stuph on the ISS.

[DaveofDefeat]

Considering all that I have seen from them is a power point presentation and some funding for some random study on spacesuits, I'm going to say its possible, but very improbable.

[The Silent Majority]

I doubt it, I'd also prefer it if qualified people were the first on Mars (no offense to those applying, I know a couple on the forum have).

On the other hand, if its what gets us there...

[Nibb31]

Why start a new thread when there is this one already?

http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/47036-space-Is-Mars-one-a-scam

[OtherDalfite]

One word. FUTURE.

It'll be different in the future...

and BTW we've grown stuph on the ISS.

News flash, the future moves a lot slower than we think it does. In 1968, they thought we would have flying cars and a moonbase by now. And by the "stuff" I hope you mean a few lowly plants grown in special containers to simulate how they react to microgravity, not to test if hydroponics in space is feasible.

[Seret]

Whadda you think?

I think no. The idea that a private company with no space experience and no governmental backing can fund and operate a space mission more expensive, complicated and longer than anything ever attempted is ludicrous.

It'll be different in the future...

The 2020s will be here before you know it, and things will look very much the same as they do now.

Edited June 6, 2014 by Seret

[NASAFanboy]

I used to doubt Mars One's completion... But now... I think It'll happen... I mean... It had $122,211 the last time I checked... now It has $ 573,923.... and 1 Falcon Heavy launch would cost $77–135M and the project is supposed to be done by 2025... So maybe It JUST might happen...

I believe It'll be delayed... to say... 2027.

(Cause economix)

Whadda you think?

So you're saying they can only afford a single Heavy launch at this point and that's it?

Unless NASA or ESA or another big name takes it on, it'll fly when pigs fly.

[astropapi1]

One word. FUTURE.

It'll be different in the future...

and BTW we've grown stuph on the ISS.

The 2020's are right around the corner, and the only "stuph" (is that a word?) We have grown aboard the ISS was a couple of small individual plants, just to test how they behaved in 0G. Definitely not enough to feed whatever arbitrary number of people they want to send to Mars.

They don't have a spacesuit, a spacecraft, life support, or any other system you might imagine, besides simple prototypes.

Honestly, I wouldn't want them to be the first on Mars. The mission would probably fail catastrophically an people would say spaceflight in general is too dangerous to continue.

I know you don't want to hear this kind of comment, but this is the Science Labs after all, and you must realize they're simply not ready. As much as I'd like to have people on Mars, this isn't the way to do it. Not yet.

[lajoswinkler]

Not this crap again... Why are you opening duplicate threads about topics beaten to death?

[Dominatus]

I have already considered the psychological difficulties such a mission would result in. Part of the funding is for a reality tv show filming the astronauts, and that's part of the problem. Without dedicated psychologists and counselors going on this one way trip, the astronauts would eventually go mad.

[Guest]

Goddammit! Quit putting so much damn pressure on a guy with OCD!

"stuph" is one of the internet purposefully misspelled words for "stuff"

All I'm saying is... It has a chance to happen... Even If there isn't a miracle.

I'm neutral... I don't think It'll happen.... But at the same time I think It'll happen.

I'm gonna choke the next person that starts a space mission project that relies on public donations online.

[Nibb31]

All I'm saying is... It has a chance to happen... Even If there isn't a miracle.

No it doesn't.

[Guest]

No it doesn't.

Alright It has a chance even If there isn't a BIG miracle

[RockoDyne]

It's a scam. Logistically, R&D costs would realistically stretch into BILLIONS and even then the likelihood that the partakers die of natural causes is essentially nil. They are probably closer to trying to film the next saw movie on mars.

I'll reiterate though. It's a con job. Someone found a way to separate money from suckers and is laughing all the way to the bank. Just talking about the science in some way is giving a snake oil salesman credence. This isn't Paul Allen looking for investment partners, it's a nobody with a PR firm.

[astropapi1]

It's a scam. Logistically, R&D costs would realistically stretch into BILLIONS and even then the likelihood that the partakers die of natural causes is essentially nil. They are probably closer to trying to film the next saw movie on mars.

I'll reiterate though. It's a con job. Someone found a way to separate money from suckers and is laughing all the way to the bank. Just talking about the science in some way is giving a snake oil salesman credence. This isn't Paul Allen looking for investment partners, it's a nobody with a PR firm.

I don't think it's a scam. To me, it's just a guy who's trying to advance in space exploration. He just doesn't understand the cost of his endeavor and is too optimistic.

[Tux]

I have a deep concern with the objective of putting biomass into space. It just seems like its horrifically inefficient compared to robotics.

I bet even if we found natural resources it would be more efficient to mine them and bring them back using robotics then it would using humans, so I fail to see the gain.

[RockoDyne]

I don't think it's a scam. To me, it's just a guy who's trying to advance in space exploration. He just doesn't understand the cost of his endeavor and is too optimistic.

Just how many orders of magnitude too optimistic is he? A person who's cost estimate is missing at least five zeros at the end probably doesn't have a single clue how anything works, but for some reason idiots are giving idiot prime here actual money.

It might have been something he meant in earnest, but the fact that people are taking this seriously and throwing money at him means that he's just a con artist.

[jwenting]

Just how many orders of magnitude too optimistic is he? A person who's cost estimate is missing at least five zeros at the end probably doesn't have a single clue how anything works, but for some reason idiots are giving idiot prime here actual money.

It might have been something he meant in earnest, but the fact that people are taking this seriously and throwing money at him means that he's just a con artist.

It's called marketing. The idiot has no clue how to get to Mars or what it will cost, but he's great with Powerpoint and Photoshop (or knows people who are) and can tell convincing stories...

All he then needs is people who know even less than him...

If he thinks he needs $100 million, and says to the average punter that he needs $250 million, they won't think him silly that he thinks he needs so little. They'll think "$250 million, WOW that's a lot of money". and if they're sci fi buffs (and he knows whom to target) they'll think "wow, way kewl man! gotta have my name on that thing" and give him money.

[Guest]

It's called marketing. The idiot has no clue how to get to Mars or what it will cost, but he's great with Powerpoint and Photoshop (or knows people who are) and can tell convincing stories...

All he then needs is people who know even less than him...

If he thinks he needs $100 million, and says to the average punter that he needs $250 million, they won't think him silly that he thinks he needs so little. They'll think "$250 million, WOW that's a lot of money". and if they're sci fi buffs (and he knows whom to target) they'll think "wow, way kewl man! gotta have my name on that thing" and give him money.

Then the guy will get arrested, go to prison, Give him all our money back.

The dude probably knows that...

So unlikely It's a scam.

[NERVAfan]

I don't think it's a scam. Optimistic-leaning-toward-crazy... strike that, just plain crazy... sure.

I don't actually think their ideas of how to "do" Mars are all that off base. But there's no way a reality TV show will provide enough funding to get to Mars.

I have already considered the psychological difficulties such a mission would result in. Part of the funding is for a reality tv show filming the astronauts, and that's part of the problem. Without dedicated psychologists and counselors going on this one way trip, the astronauts would eventually go mad.

I doubt this. Certainly it can't be stated as an absolute. People have lived in all kinds of weird conditions without psychologists and without going crazy.

If the reality TV stuff was handled wrong (too intrusive), yeah, could definitely be problematic. OTOH, anybody they would pick would have gone through probably several years of reality-TV-selection-rounds, so presumably would be good at handling that kind of environment or they wouldn't have made it that far in the first place.

I have a deep concern with the objective of putting biomass into space. It just seems like its horrifically inefficient compared to robotics.

I bet even if we found natural resources it would be more efficient to mine them and bring them back using robotics then it would using humans, so I fail to see the gain.

The point of human space exploration isn't efficiency.

[Nibb31]

Could any of the mods merge this thread with the existing one. Just about everything has been said about Mars One. We shouldn't have to start all over again just because a newbie didn't find the old thread.