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There's a config file in the MKS package for that, but it's still looking for "RemoteTech2." Until I can get a fix to RoverDude, edit GameData/UmbraSpaceIndustries/MKS/MKS_OKS_RT2.cfg to change all of the :HAS[RemoteTech2] clauses to :HAS[RemoteTech].

Excellent all. Thank you! :)

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Still having the same connection problem with my lander.

It is unmanned now, but have a remote core stock with module manager config from remote tech applied to.

The vessel have connection, have battery, etc. but still i can't even retract the ladder. Can't do anything.

What is wrong? Using 1.5.1 from the first post.

15661013137_643f671b88_o.pngRT no connection problem by Climberfx, on Flickr

15659266278_dbf9e6a8e0_o.pngRT no connection problem by Climberfx, on Flickr

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Bug: RT causes RO/RSS to freeze when in flight or map view

When I warp forward, screen (map or flight mode) freezes, the music continues to play and the CPU load is still > 100%, but no input is taken, and nothing changes. Cancelling the window does not work, the process has to be killed.

My setup: Linux 12.04 KSPx64, RO, RSS and a bunch of mods.

This happened first, when I set up a more complex satellite network around Kerbin (about 10 Comsats by now), used antennas beyond KR-7, and KR-14 for the first time and launched my first interplanetary vessel. (To Duna.)

The freezing happened on the way to Duna, when in orbit around Duna, but also when I do not focus on any vessel but watch the asteroids in the tracking stations.

I then restarted about a dozen times and found out:

- It does not go away when I remove kOS, Trajectories, and TransferWindow, but the problem disappears when I delete RemoteTech. (to be precise: I did not delete the parts folder, so that I can still load my save.)

- Starting from the same save file, it stops at about the same time every new try. (between 18,000 and 21,000 km of altitude over Duna.)

- It happens every time, I am focussing on the vessel. I can only go beyond the freeze points by letting time pass in the KSC-view.

I'd appreciate any help. This is pretty gamebreaking. - Thank you!!

More infos:

List of Mods

KSP.log

save file

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anybody got tips for orienting craft for photos using the Flight Computer? Right now I'm just using trial and error to get things lined up. Pretty crappy. I'm sure in real life they have a tool to tell them what the camera is looking at where and when, but unless Arrowstar comes through with my request for some aid in KSPTOT I can't think of any other solution...

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J.Random. Thats a good question. I will make some digging on it.

I'm not think this has to be with the problem, but at this point, everything can be the key.

Thank you by your eye!

:)

Edit: Hey J.Random. That double pa thing was because i had a module manager config that put Mj on each core of the game, and that cfg put an APU line too.

So i edit that removing the APU from that cfg (because it already exist on the RT module cfg. And now it's working.

I can remote control my lander.

Thank you again ;)

I need to find out what is happing to my space stations that are turning into command center's but without showing the red dot.

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Hey there, I'm trying to add ground stations. I followed the advice of novafire08 in the Kerbin-Side addon thread and put this code in a cfg named RemoteTech_Settings.cfg. It appears to be consistent with the instructions given here. However, it's not working for me at all. I checked if the problem was the settings cfg not being recognised but other settings placed there work without a hitch. It would appear his code worked in 1.4 but not 1.5. Any suggestions?


STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc500
Name = Tracking Station 1
Latitude = 5.591029
Longitude = -61.303539
Height = 1409.33
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc501
Name = Tracking Station 2
Latitude = 78.608117
Longitude = 147.491623
Height = 2817.58
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc502
Name = Tracking Station 3
Latitude = 20.453920
Longitude = -78.093832
Height = 3684.54
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc503
Name = Tracking Station 4
Latitude = 20.986161
Longitude = -117.304872
Height = 4204.48
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc504
Name = Tracking Station 5
Latitude = 14.733632
Longitude = -127.017657
Height = 2999.19
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc505
Name = Tracking Station 6
Latitude = 16.043645
Longitude = -156.864196
Height = 4704.55
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc506
Name = Tracking Station 7
Latitude = 3.329209
Longitude = -37.145679
Height = 2230.51
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}

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Hey there, I'm trying to add ground stations. I followed the advice of novafire08 in the Kerbin-Side addon thread and put this code in a cfg named RemoteTech_Settings.cfg. It appears to be consistent with the instructions given here. However, it's not working for me at all. I checked if the problem was the settings cfg not being recognised but other settings placed there work without a hitch. It would appear his code worked in 1.4 but not 1.5. Any suggestions?


STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc500
Name = Tracking Station 1
Latitude = 5.591029
Longitude = -61.303539
Height = 1409.33
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc501
Name = Tracking Station 2
Latitude = 78.608117
Longitude = 147.491623
Height = 2817.58
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc502
Name = Tracking Station 3
Latitude = 20.453920
Longitude = -78.093832
Height = 3684.54
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc503
Name = Tracking Station 4
Latitude = 20.986161
Longitude = -117.304872
Height = 4204.48
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc504
Name = Tracking Station 5
Latitude = 14.733632
Longitude = -127.017657
Height = 2999.19
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc505
Name = Tracking Station 6
Latitude = 16.043645
Longitude = -156.864196
Height = 4704.55
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc506
Name = Tracking Station 7
Latitude = 3.329209
Longitude = -37.145679
Height = 2230.51
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}

Hope thats not all of it ?

EDIT- Example

ConsumptionMultiplier = 1.0
RangeMultiplier = 1
ActiveVesselGuid = 35b89a0d664c43c6bec8d0840afc97b2
SpeedOfLight = 3E+08
MapFilter = Omni, Dish, Planet, Path
EnableSignalDelay = True
RangeModelType = Additive
MultipleAntennaMultiplier = 1
ThrottleTimeWarp = True
DishConnectionColor = 0.9960784,0.7019608,0.03137255,1
OmniConnectionColor = 0.5529412,0.5176471,0.4078431,1
ActiveConnectionColor = 0.6588235,1,0.01568628,1
GroundStations
{
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc482
Name = AU - Woomera
Latitude = -30.95875
Longitude = 136.50366
Height = 417
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc483
Name = CN - Jiuquan
Latitude = 41.11803
Longitude = 100.4633
Height = 1350
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc484
Name = CN - Taiyuan
Latitude = 39.14321
Longitude = 111.96741
Height = 1750
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc485
Name = CN - Xichang
Latitude = 28.24646
Longitude = 102.02814
Height = 2150
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc486
Name = DZ - Hammaguir
Latitude = 30.77824
Longitude = -3.05377
Height = 994
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc487
Name = FR - Kourou
Latitude = 5.239380
Longitude = -52.768487
Height = 251
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc488
Name = IL - Palmachim
Latitude = 31.88484
Longitude = 34.6802
Height = 260
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc489
Name = IN - Satish Dhawan
Latitude = 13.72
Longitude = 80.230278
Height = 261
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc48a
Name = IR - Semnan
Latitude = 35.234631
Longitude = 53.920941
Height = 1200
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc48b
Name = JP - Tanegashima
Latitude = 30.39096
Longitude = 130.96813
Height = 275
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc48c
Name = JP - Uchinoura
Latitude = 31.25186
Longitude = 131.07914
Height = 455
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc48d
Name = KZ - Baikonur
Latitude = 45.920278
Longitude = 63.342222
Height = 340
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc48e
Name = MH - Omelek
Latitude = 9.048167
Longitude = 167.743083
Height = 252
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc48f
Name = RU - Kapustin Yar
Latitude = 48.5400
Longitude = 46.2500
Height = 280
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc490
Name = RU - Plesetsk
Latitude = 62.957222
Longitude = 40.695833
Height = 380
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc491
Name = RU - Svobodny
Latitude = 51.83441
Longitude = 128.2757
Height = 500
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc492
Name = RU - Yasny
Latitude = 51.20706
Longitude = 59.85003
Height = 515
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc493
Name = US - Brownsville
Latitude = 25.996613
Longitude = -97.154206
Height = 260
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc494
Name = US - Cape Canaveral
Latitude = 28.608389
Longitude = -80.604333
Height = 260
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc495
Name = US - Kodiak
Latitude = 57.435276
Longitude = -152.339354
Height = 281
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc496
Name = US - Vandenberg
Latitude = 34.5813
Longitude = -120.6266
Height = 362
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc497
Name = US - Wallops
Latitude = 37.833755
Longitude = -75.458177
Height = 260
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
}

EDIT- Thats how you RT setting cfg should look like and hard to tell what all your missing on the top and at the bottom your missing a }

EDIT- For what you have try

ConsumptionMultiplier = 1.0
RangeMultiplier = 1
ActiveVesselGuid = 35b89a0d664c43c6bec8d0840afc97b2
SpeedOfLight = 3E+08
MapFilter = Omni, Dish, Planet, Path
EnableSignalDelay = True
RangeModelType = Additive
MultipleAntennaMultiplier = 1
ThrottleTimeWarp = True
DishConnectionColor = 0.9960784,0.7019608,0.03137255,1
OmniConnectionColor = 0.5529412,0.5176471,0.4078431,1
ActiveConnectionColor = 0.6588235,1,0.01568628,1
GroundStations
{
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc500
Name = Tracking Station 1
Latitude = 5.591029
Longitude = -61.303539
Height = 1409.33
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc501
Name = Tracking Station 2
Latitude = 78.608117
Longitude = 147.491623
Height = 2817.58
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc502
Name = Tracking Station 3
Latitude = 20.453920
Longitude = -78.093832
Height = 3684.54
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc503
Name = Tracking Station 4
Latitude = 20.986161
Longitude = -117.304872
Height = 4204.48
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc504
Name = Tracking Station 5
Latitude = 14.733632
Longitude = -127.017657
Height = 2999.19
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc505
Name = Tracking Station 6
Latitude = 16.043645
Longitude = -156.864196
Height = 4704.55
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
STATION
{
Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc506
Name = Tracking Station 7
Latitude = 3.329209
Longitude = -37.145679
Height = 2230.51
Body = 1
Antennas
{
ANTENNA
{
Omni = 7.5E+07
}
}
}
}

EDIT- :) Glad you got it :)

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Is there a way to disable the remote requirements without removing the mod, temporarily? For some reason, whenever I load my save there are no connections, and switching to a vessel instantly turns off all antennae (and seems to have dropped targets?)

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...

STATION

{

Guid = 5105f5a9-d628-41c6-ad4b-21154e8fc482

Name = AU - Woomera

Latitude = -30.95875

Longitude = 136.50366

Height = 417

Body = 1

Antennas

{

ANTENNA

{

Omni = 7.5E+07

}

}

}

...

Hey MeCripp, what is that Guid long code?

If i wanna to put myself the places of this stations and name, reducing a lot of the quantity, how i can figure out that Guid number?

I will use Scan sat for the round highs and coordinates...

EDIT:

I already figured out. Thank you anyway.

"GuidA: unique idenfier for the station. Must be unique, or your network will exhibit undefined behavior."

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Hey MeCripp, what is that Guid long code?

If i wanna to put myself the places of this stations and name, reducing a lot of the quantity, how i can figure out that Guid number?

I will use Scan sat for the round highs and coordinates...

EDIT:

I already figured out. Thank you anyway.

"GuidA: unique idenfier for the station. Must be unique, or your network will exhibit undefined behavior."

See you got it and as you can see just the last # was changed.

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I have a problem with space stations not acting as remote command when they are not the active vessel. When active vessel I get the red dot on them, but when flying another vessel or viewing from tacking station there is no red dot.

This seems to happens for very large stations where the remote command unit is not in the same launch as the part with 6 crew but docked onto it later. With connected living spaces though it is often quite impractical to have the remote command unit in the station core because it doesn't have connected living space. I have circumvented the problem by cheating a larger single station core piece into orbit instead of doing multiple launches, but another solution would be preferred...

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This is my reusable second stage rocket.

http://i.imgur.com/WUcCM38.png

You can only see the Kerbodyne S3-3600 tank and the Poodle engine - the intestines are nicely covered with some Procedural Fairings. Works pretty well with FAR, Deadly Reentry and a couple others flawlessly, but I can't get the Communotron to survive with DR + Remote Tech. As you can see in the pic, FAR tells me it's shielded (it should stay that way all the time, as I'm not jettisoning these fairings at any point).

On the following screen I've clipped the camera inside the vehicle, so you could see the perpendicularly installed antenna.

http://i.imgur.com/OutZsUR.png

It may be worth noting that I can launch this vehicle with the antenna deployed (in fact, I'm not intending to toggle it at all), no problem. But reentry is, well, deadly. I remember to have survived one or two, but a couple of last times I got the "Communotron 32 was ripped by strong airflow" message, AFAIK coming from RT.

Any ideas on what's the case here? Is it RT acting up, or FAR losing track of the fairings and "isShielded" status? How should I investigate this?

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This is my reusable second stage rocket.

http://i.imgur.com/WUcCM38.png

You can only see the Kerbodyne S3-3600 tank and the Poodle engine - the intestines are nicely covered with some Procedural Fairings. Works pretty well with FAR, Deadly Reentry and a couple others flawlessly, but I can't get the Communotron to survive with DR + Remote Tech. As you can see in the pic, FAR tells me it's shielded (it should stay that way all the time, as I'm not jettisoning these fairings at any point).

On the following screen I've clipped the camera inside the vehicle, so you could see the perpendicularly installed antenna.

http://i.imgur.com/OutZsUR.png

It may be worth noting that I can launch this vehicle with the antenna deployed (in fact, I'm not intending to toggle it at all), no problem. But reentry is, well, deadly. I remember to have survived one or two, but a couple of last times I got the "Communotron 32 was ripped by strong airflow" message, AFAIK coming from RT.

Any ideas on what's the case here? Is it RT acting up, or FAR losing track of the fairings and "isShielded" status? How should I investigate this?

You can try and edit the part cfg and take out the MAXQ = * line.

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You can try and edit the part cfg and take out the MAXQ = * line.

Yeah, I've considered doing that for all the antennas, as the Communotron 32 is not the only one I'm experiencing issues with. But before resorting to that solution, I wanted to find out if there's anything I can be doing clearly wrong.

PS: I've just flown the exact same vehicle to orbit and back (burning prograde for a maximally hot entry) and it performed well. I know that if I quicksaved during reentry and then reloaded, the antenna would always be ripped - probably because RT makes its "isShielded" check before FAR comes into play, but I'm not sure. Sure I am though that this was never the case with my previous catastrophies. I feel lost... probably gonna make them all indestructible in the cfgs :|

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For the ModuleManager.dll included with the zip... when I have other modulemanager.dll's from other mods, and it wants to over-write how compatible is it?

Off-hand, I'm pretty sure I got other modulemanagers from FAR, RT, and I think at least one of my other mods tries to bring its own. Am I interfering by overwriting, or does it really matter which mod's MM.dll I have in my gamedata folder, as long as it's uptodate?

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For the ModuleManager.dll included with the zip... when I have other modulemanager.dll's from other mods, and it wants to over-write how compatible is it?

Off-hand, I'm pretty sure I got other modulemanagers from FAR, RT, and I think at least one of my other mods tries to bring its own. Am I interfering by overwriting, or does it really matter which mod's MM.dll I have in my gamedata folder, as long as it's uptodate?

You just need 1 modulemanager.dll at all it will work them all just keep the new 1 which think it's ModuleManager.2.5.1 and delete all the rest running more then one can make things buggy if you have a older one.

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aw, now I'm sad. Apparently RemoteTech doesn't like being built via ExtraPlanetary Launchpads. Built a nice little satellite in LKO, and even docked to the station, or to a manned tug, it doesn't want to connect to the KSC.

Do I absolutely have to launch from KSC? or did I make a traditional newb mistake?

Edit: Elaboration, I have zero existing comsat's in orbit and the first gen satellite I produced via EPL is refusing to connect to the KSC.

Disregard, I'm an idiot, and after reading the tutorial and dropping a DP-10 equipped probe onto the launchpad, suddenly my station had a connection. My first gen comsat didn't have one of those, simply 4 Communotron 32's, and a large dish.

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So TweakScale.

I am wondering if anyone has written a code to support scaling the parts.

I havent found any reference to tweak-scale in this thread (I do realize I should probably post this on tweak-scale thread, but how will anyone know to which values should antennas be tweaked...)

This seems to be an interesting feature to have, but I have neither skills nor time to do it at the moment.

In the end, is anyone even interested in this?

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So TweakScale.

I am wondering if anyone has written a code to support scaling the parts.

I havent found any reference to tweak-scale in this thread (I do realize I should probably post this on tweak-scale thread, but how will anyone know to which values should antennas be tweaked...)

This seems to be an interesting feature to have, but I have neither skills nor time to do it at the moment.

In the end, is anyone even interested in this?

Personally i am never interested in Tweakscale. There are very few mods that i think it makes for a richer experience (infernal robotics springs to mind) and IMO there are plenty of time i think it detracts from a really nice design. just my 2 funds.

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I have also noticed that all my landing probes keep crashing.

The orbiter tends to just "forget" it's connection to Kerbal after a while. It doesn't go into shadow it just drops it. When switching to the orbiter craft it shows as connected again. (And this is not a misuse of Active vessel target. It is setup properly and the link goes thru the orbiter to the lander for several minutes after switching to the lander, then dissapears.) So the only way to reactivate the connection I have found is to switch from the lander to the orbiter and then back to the lander. Then it has the connection again. But quite often this happens at a critical part in the landing and it is too late to save the lander.

This happens for me on all planets and thru several games with different com setups around Kerbal now...

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