I like guns despite it's flaws

[Pawelk198604]

I like guns, my mom is against it, in the know that if Poland had liberal laws regarding the weapons that my mom would not let that keep it in the house..

I once watched our Polish docudrama "W-11" about "criminal police" section of polish police dealing with serious crime like homicide, mafia, extortion, and so on. In the last episode two boys from State boarding school, two boys was murdered with a gun. The Polish State build dormitory, at vicinity of some prestigious co-ed state school, to allow children from rural community and even other cities study here.

Poland has the most restrictive law to hold throughout Europe.

Some particularly ex-Americans, Polish origin, who decided to go back to the old country, after the fall of communism, lobbying in parliament for the introduction of the Polish Constitution, legal provisions on the model of the U.S. 2 nd amendment which would provide all not punished for an offense Poles' right to bear arms ".

Many Pole including me like this idea, though without knowing why my mother is a fanatical opponent of gun ownership by private individuals.

Although in my opinion would make criminals more polite, if they knew that their their sick perverted criminal brain may end up splattered on the wall because of their potential victim is not as helpless as used they think

Back to beginning, to W-11 the docudrama i write at the beginning two boys was killed by gunshot.

Ballistic tests conducted by the CBÃ…Å¡ or Central Bureau of Investigation special unit of the Polish police state (sometimes called the Polish FBI) they would be doing this because the victims were minors and in such cases the CBÃ…Å¡ comes into play. These studies and data from the state register of arms showed the guilty, the school principal, he had a gun permit, a former police officer who believed in strict discipline with respect to both boys and girls, both murdered boys were killed shot in the backs of their heads, so-called. "Katyn shot" like us in Poland used to be called the method of execution. The police arrested the director of the school, which as I said was a retired police officer, investigator shouted at him that abhor the fact that he once was once a cop, that brings discredit to all Polish police officers and teachers, and it's still cowardly "Katyn shot" if he could not look the victim in eyes. He replied that he could not hurt any of those children because for him they are closer to him than his own, which does not have. He said that a month before he lost his weapon, he suspected that someone stole it, but as a retired police officer knew the procedure. in such cases, he feared it might lose a gun permit and a job (although this last in his case it was not that terrible, because he had retired, because in Poland until recently police man could go on retired, already 40 years old when he/she was 20 years service)

The headmaster said he was a policeman but I always wanted to be a teacher, but he had already qualified, finished the police academy and had graduated from the Law, but he wanted to be a teacher, in the meantime the police service, he graduated in absentia studies of pedagogy. And after reaching the retirement age has left the police.

He was forty-some years. (Currently, was the 60 ties,) said that he could not have children of their own, through his work in the police and childlessness caused that broke up his own marriage, rejected the more profitable job at the police headquarters to be a teacher (but idiots are everywhere:D )

Then it turned out that the real culprit was another student, moreover, the victim is not sacred., There were school bullies who bully other children. The perpetrator was a 16 year old boy but very poor with very good results at school. These boys bully him, cup of bitterness overflowed it that he burned his only pair of shoes, teased him that he is the headmaster lover (although that guy was not a pedophile, because this topic was examined by the police) because this often stayed in the room the director of the school. with whom he played chess, he also had some money from the school principal for cleaning his office, for that he knew where he holds the weapon, which it headmaster himself showed him)

Then when the police interrogated heard (on the radio: Shots fired! Shots fired! Almost like in american movie:D ) Chial someone to kill another student at the school, because the victims were killed successively, one by one) this time escaped and identified the culprit, it was the tormented boy, that came after this both "victims" including one intended victim of murder, in a very mean way tormented the boy (who like me think sohad AS) who wanted revenge for the humiliation, wanted justice. The school principal, asked the police to let him to go with them, in the climactic scene asked the boy that he gave the gun and the pddał, but this wskocył to the elevator, and a moment later a shot was heard the boy committed suicide, was 16 years old.

His intended victim gets 5 years reformatory for bullying.

Director lost his job and was sentenced under the law on firearms and ammunition, for failing to weapon (Glock) did not get in unauthorized hands, got two years in prison, suspended for two years, and of course, lost the right to owning a gun.

(All cases presented in the W-11! They are based on real cases conducted by the Polish police, only the surnames and the names of the perpetrators and the victims have been changed to protect the welfare of their families, I know this is true because I once read about a similar case in the newspaper)

Although I think so that universal access to weapons is good,

if a crime with a firearm occur even in a country like Poland that has the most restrictive laws in this range is just as good, you can opt out of these provisions, at least the potential victims will have paradoxically increased protection)

It's like the MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) doctrine, the world is safer when the U.S. and Russia have nuclear weapons (although it would be best if the two superpowers abandoned this barbarous weapon)

This game theory in its pure form (not about computer games)

It's simply called Nash Equilibrium

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nash_equilibrium

[SpaceXray]

Latvia also has very strict gun laws(also post-Soviet), but still when I turn 18 I am getting a decent handgun for self-defence. Without any weapon I feel very vulnerable, for now I can only have a knife, though a firearm gives a significant advantage over any other methods-defence batons, tazers, pepper sprays etc.

[ZedNova]

I also like guns (Although i consider myself more of a liberal). However i don't feel the need to have one around where i live, so i don't own any right now.

[lajoswinkler]

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[NASAFanboy]

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Personally, I'm for self-defense guns such as pistols with small clips of rubber bullets (That fulfills the basic need for defense, and rubber bullets cause pain but not lethality). Otherwise, there is absolutely no need for guns. Look at the crime rates of USA cities. There is a mass shooting every week in America from guns. Some American cities have murder rates higher than the Middle East! Don't support guns beyond basic self defense; otherwise you're just playing with fire and risking the lives of hundreds. Across America, we lose 30 people a day to gun violence - that's more than 3,000 a year. Do NOT, under any circumstances, introduce guns to Poland.

Also, did you know that criminals have superhuman low levels of fear? I don't think MAD applies to them, they just don't understand it.

Edited July 22, 2014 by NASAFanboy

[Seret]

I used to be an armourer in the military, so guns used to be my day job. I like guns, but I don't see any need for civilians to have access to them for use against other humans. Target shooting is fine, as is shooting vermin on farms. Shooting people is not ok. If you live somewhere so dangerous that you need a gun to protect yourself, the best way to protect your family is to move, not buy guns. Short range firefights between poorly-trained combatants in built up areas with your loved ones nearby are a dumb thing to want to get involved in.

[Navy2k]

You know that the "perverted criminals" are the first ones in the gun shops?

Plus, look at some violence statistics of US Cities and compare these to your City and think about it if they would improve with more guns in laymens hands.

Greetings

Ben

[xcorps]

But first check the gun laws in those high crime cities. Then find cities with liberal gun laws and check the crime rates.

There is no proof or even evidence between lawful gun ownership and violent crime. Correlation does not equal causation. US citizens with CCW and lawfully registered firearms have a lower violent crime rate than any other segment of the population.

IBTL +1

[Pawelk198604]

2, 1.

Personally, I'm for self-defense guns such as pistols with small clips of rubber bullets (That fulfills the basic need for defense, and rubber bullets cause pain but not lethality).

Also, did you know that criminals have superhuman low levels of fear? I don't think MAD applies to them, they just don't understand it.

I'ts awkward while i'm not mathematician by any means, i feel that MAD and concept on which is based Thea game theory the Nash Equilibrium very beautiful invited by very beautiful mind:D

But Nash equilibrium works only when all players, think reasonable, with is really doesn't work in case of Criminals.

I have a question if you were bullied at school?

And what do you think of the boy who killed his tormentors, and unfortunately he committed suicide?

Legally speaking committed a double murder for murder using a firearm in Polish law is either life imprisonment or 25 years imprisonment, but he had not committed suicide, did not get to more than 20 years in prison up.

After accordance with the Polish law, a minor can not convict more than 20 years in prison, this is the sentence of the Supreme Court, the higher the punishment was to "cruel and inhumane" which prohibits the Polish Constitution, the European Convention on Human Rights and the Convention on the Rights of the Child, as if shooting two people and the attempted shooting of another, it was "cruel and inhumane" chubby to me like someone shoots someone else is probably not a kid anymore I wonder if Americans have the same nonsense in his famous concept of the Constitution as "cruel and inhumane" punishment my think the punishment should be appropriate to the crime, I am a supporter of the death penalty for juveniles, even if they commit a cruel crimes, but this is not a topic for discussion in this forum. I remember at a summer camp, I was a frequent target of ridicule, even though it was a camp for children and adolescents with Asperger syndrome, neurosis or ADHD funded by the Polish Ministry of Health. Kids with ADHD often afflict those with Asperger's and felt like they were better, the two participants in this camp, into my water bottle, judging by the smiling murdering my roommates is at 100%, they were, but I had no proof of this, we were on trip heat was extreme educator told you I drank because I am threatened with dehydration, I said I believed in "children's code of honor: Similar to the Code of the Russian or American mafia, but without killing the enemy:D" that thank you, but not for a short time genuinely wanted to murder them, then I thought well I will treat them with my body fluid like they did to me, but not urine that would be to easy for me 'revenge is a dish best served cold" as Klingon used to say:D: (for simplicity: a special liquid Which produce only men and older boys: D), but if I did I would have equated to their intellectual level over time. anger passed, and then the even made ​​friends with them, I became friends with my tormentors: D

Recently I read in a newspaper about a tormented 16 years old who stabbed his bullies , a man always finds a way to kill another human being, when a firearm is prohibited people will use a knife, if someone had killed me I would have preferred it to be fast than stabbed. I do not feel sympathy for the , even if he was bullied in school, murder is always murder (unless you kill someone in self-defense) murder is a crime, to the press, it looked as if the boy had Asperger's, but do not feel sympathy for him, he got the maximum penalty juvenile offenders prosecuted as adults, or 20 years in prison.

Edited July 22, 2014 by Pawelk198604
fixing after Google Translate :)

[TheDataMiner]

This is a messy issue and I don't want to get too into it, but;

I agree that there should be some gun control. Someone shoulden't be able to walk into a gun store, slap down a few bills and walk home with a gun; But for self-defense and sport, I'm all for it. regulations should be in place to make sure criminals get as few guns as possible(criminals having guns is inevitable), while law-abiding citizens have the least impediment to owning guns.

[xcorps]

And what do you think of the boy who killed his tormentors, and unfortunately he committed suicide?

Not part of a gun ownership debate.

Legally speaking committed a double murder for murder using a firearm in Polish law is either life imprisonment or 25 years imprisonment, but he had not committed suicide, did not get to more than 20 years in prison up.

Are you sure about the "using a firearm" part? I don't claim to know Polish law, but I find it hard to believe that a person who committed a double murder was sentenced based on the use of firearms as the driving factor.

a man always finds a way to kill another human being

Also not part of a gun control debate. This is in fact a red herring or strawman, and gun rights advocates use it wrongfully. The propensity for violence exists without guns. This is an indisputable fact.

Gun control advocates try to make the case that guns cause violence. That is what you need to educate yourself on and use in a gun control debate, because it is very easy to refute if you have facts.