Why I Rage Quit KSP

[Cdr_Zeta]

Hello,

I am sort of a devout follower of KSP; it has creativity for us users; very few games of note offer this but there are some new ones coming out where you can build things in them too; they have problems as well; mostly stemming from graphics and memory.

Many of us poor folk dont have access to expensive computers with gigs upon gigs of memory and processing speed; I literally lost a quad core to a minecraft type game called Starcraft; it blew up my graphics card (I think), the cpu, the motherboard, and the power supply; I monitor the heating of my CPU now; in ALL my computers.

Some people were saying here that screen resolution correctness is a factor; personally I dont believe it; but I got rid of my HDMI because the resolution was not correct to my windows and I am back to vga (that hdmi to vga adapter).

Next I tried 64 bit - fail - mods stop game from loading.

Next I try 32 bit force open glide - this was before v24 - worked - game crash at 300megs of game useage - STILL game crash altho a little more subtle - space center scene changes - no items in orbit in comms center - tech tree dies ...

Then last nite I am in open glide - game looks ready to crash - I have a 340 part rocket on the pad - I forgot some struts - it starts to lean...and lean...and lean...all the while I am trying to get my thrust to zero so I can go back to the space center - FAIL FAIL FAIL.

Some people say I need a beefier pewter...nah...trust me I know what I have - I upgraded just so I can play this game called KSP cause it needs memory and speed and such cause the game engine is, well, I dont want to say crappy - it's just different. If this game - well, I dont know what Starcraft and Minecraft game engine is - I would be curious to know - catch my drift here?

It is a simple fact of KSP life that memory crashes this game; the game eats memory for breakfast lunch and dinner - and all my mods for desert.

SO...I think well go back to normal and kiss Open Glide good bye...I am in v24 (not v24.2); I dont seem to have a problem with right clicking - it seems to lagg but it works (?).

I have the same amount of mods but now I am on VGA mode - I had to borrow my universal remote to change the settings on my old monitor to get out of HDMI; my game memory is sitting at 2.3 gigs...according to conficious, I should have about 1.4gigs or so of gameplay - WOW maybe v24 really cleaned up some kind of memory issue with an updated Unity Engine (?!); mind you I didnt expect this.

I will still be watching my memory and see when this thing crashes on me. I am a happy camper if I get a good hours with of game play and have to restart the game due to memory or mod useage; but the real kicker is the number of parts existing in the game no matter what you do.

This is why I am opting now for not having exuberant space stations everywhere and bases on planets and moons; for all I know it could have been a screen resolution issue; I didnt try HDMI mode in normal mode without Open Glide.

Most gamers should not have to go thru what I have gone thru to get this game working on a good note; but I am still here cause I like these lil Kerby critters and I am still looking for kuargs and sctuff like that; it is the MODS that make this game what it is; an awesome Alpha Modded Space SIM (not a game but a SIM OR simulation; I like SIMS but I dont play the SIMS lol).

I am opting for less parts in space, quicker missions ie get the Science and come home; maybe small outposts but not elaborate bases; I have yet to try MKS.

Maybe this new version v24 AND/OR my screen resolution will work I dunno; I have no idea now where my KSP game crash point is, and I got a Kerbal in space still waiting to be rescued.

I apologize for some rough language in my streams of late and I am deleting them; sometimes I just lose it; more times it seems than any other game; but I still come back; why (?); cause I like SIMULATIONS; games like FSX and Falcon 4; where accomplishments mean something and creativity is diverse.

I have to keep reminding myself of other aspects of this game exist besides the simulation it stands for; I have seen this in other streamers' games; and sometimes it gets a laff or 2; sometimes it doesnt; and sometimes you want to chime in and help. Make sure you ask first too.

Another thing too I guess...ALPHA games really do mean ALPHA and we are fortunate to be here; this is a programmer's dream game and is the wave of the future of gaming. I will try to consider that the next time I rage quit; afterall, we have to learn right?

I am glad to say I like to learn things but I am slow...

Now with 2.3 gigs of memory in hand, 1.6 gigs of mods, and KSP waiting to launch that humongous rocket that died on the pad, I will try again...thank you Version 24 KSP.

Commander Zeta who may get demoted to private after this rant !

Edited July 31, 2014 by Cdr_Zeta

[Hodo]

Didn't read the whole thing but I did skim over it, and I understand the rant, and agree with the most of it. But ultimately patience is the only answer I can give.

[godefroi]

Many of us poor folk dont have access to expensive computers with gigs upon gigs of memory and processing speed; I literally lost a quad core to a minecraft type game called Starcraft; it blew up my graphics card (I think), the cpu, the motherboard, and the power supply; I monitor the heating of my CPU now; in ALL my computers.

No computer game "blew up" your graphics card. What most likely happened was that the cooling fan on your card failed, and it overheated and melted. If your car's cooling fan failed and it overheated and threw a rod while you were driving to Wal-Mart, would you blame Wal-Mart?

Some people were saying here that screen resolution correctness is a factor; personally I dont believe it; but I got rid of my HDMI because the resolution was not correct to my windows and I am back to vga (that hdmi to vga adapter).

Factor in what? Overheating your video card? It's a possibility, as higher resolutions will generally put more load on your hardware. This isn't strictly true, because the game could simply run at a much higher frame rate at lower resolutions, putting equivalent load on the hardware. What is definitely true is that "[your] windows" doesn't have a "correct" resolution. Your monitor likely does (it's LCD, right?), but HDMI and VGA cables have no effect on that.

Next I tried 64 bit - fail - mods stop game from loading.

So update/remove your mods. Can't really blame KSP for that, they made it clear that x64 was less stable. Mod authors are working on fixes where necessary, but it takes time. It's quite new.

Next I try 32 bit force open glide - this was before v24 - worked - game crash at 300megs of game useage - STILL game crash altho a little more subtle - space center scene changes - no items in orbit in comms center - tech tree dies ...

Then last nite I am in open glide - game looks ready to crash - I have a 340 part rocket on the pad - I forgot some struts - it starts to lean...and lean...and lean...all the while I am trying to get my thrust to zero so I can go back to the space center - FAIL FAIL FAIL.

You mean OpenGL. The KSP devs don't recommend that, as far as I can tell. You're on your own in OpenGL mode.

Some people say I need a beefier pewter...nah...trust me I know what I have - I upgraded just so I can play this game called KSP cause it needs memory and speed and such cause the game engine is, well, I dont want to say crappy - it's just different. If this game - well, I dont know what Starcraft and Minecraft game engine is - I would be curious to know - catch my drift here?

Starcraft (we're talking the Blizzard game, right?) and Minecraft use their own engines. Minecraft is a Java game and its engine is significantly less powerful than Unity, is my guess.

*Sigh*

Upon reading more of your message, I'm not sure it's worth it to try to help. You're ranting, and you make little sense. The fact is that the game works well for most people, especially those who do not attempt to run it on marginal hardware.

In fact, I run it on a computer I bought for $40 at the university surplus. It's got a $60 video card in it (well, it was $60 when it was purchased about 2 years ago...), and it runs just fine. Not at high resolutions, but just fine.

If you'd like help, ask coherent questions, and I'm sure everyone will be willing to help you out.

One thing I will say, however, is that your obsession over HDMI vs VGA is a red herring. Your computer cares not which you're using. It has no effect at all on memory usage.

[Col_Jessep]

Never give up, never surrender!

http://i.imgur.com/c8TUaFJ.jpg

Edited July 31, 2014 by sal_vager
Reaction image

[problemecium]

Not sure if trolling...

because I've seen basically the same rant piecemeal out of pretty much everyone ever. Go ahead and quit if you've run out of patience, but why post an announcement about it?

[RoboRay]

Not sure if trolling...

because I've seen basically the same rant piecemeal out of pretty much everyone ever. Go ahead and quit if you've run out of patience, but why post an announcement about it?

Because there's no drama quite like "I'm quitting a videogame!" drama.

[Remkeau]

So are you quitting or trying again with version .24? Your story (and I read it all, mind you) is not very coherent so I'm not sure what to take home from this.

[Red Iron Crown]

You definitely don't need a beefy computer to play KSP, though it certainly helps. I play on a 2009-vintage laptop (though it does have a discrete GPU) and the game is quite playable if I keep the mods and part counts under control. My MET timer is yellow a lot, though.

[Kinglet]

Didn't read the whole thing but I did skim over it, and I understand the rant, and agree with the most of it. But ultimately patience is the only answer I can give.

It's the hypetrains fault. It's a classical gaming experience:

Community: UPDAIT NAO!

Devloper: It is not polished yet and contains lots of bugs!

Community: NAO! NAO! KWIK!

Developer: Okay! Here you go!

One week later:

Community: STUPID BUGS! GAME IS LAGGING AND UNPLAYABLE!

[Kerbart]

No computer game "blew up" your graphics card. What most likely happened was that the cooling fan on your card failed, and it overheated and melted. If your car's cooling fan failed and it overheated and threw a rod while you were driving to Wal-Mart, would you blame Wal-Mart?

While I agree in principle with your point, KSP does have the potential to be pretty taxing to the videocard (unlike driving to Walmart which, in all likelyhood, is not). Perhaps a better way of stating it would be pulling a very heavy trailer. It puts extra strain on the car, but nobody would blame the trailer if the engine blows up without warning (and if it blows up after all warning lights lit up like a christmas tree you'd still not blame the trailer).

[Cdr_Zeta]

Hi,

Thank you for the input...I didnt think of the fan not working or cutting out; either way it died but that was a god point; that quad core gave me many hours I miss it.

I believe I was quite 'coherent'; ie the game is memory taxing - period. Sure less mods help; I found now I have a game play start at 2.4 gigs with a game crash at 2.8 gigs; not much head room; and no planet factory (inserts cry icon here).

I watch my cpu like a hawk now. Thanks for some consolation; rage quiting is for me some things not working; but in essence it is pushing the limits of the game with mods and eating up memory; many mods I havnt even tried yet but look awesome.

So I am back in the game as they say with a good 300 megs and 1 hour of gameplay to stream KSP... one cannot rage quit KSP I guess because it is in ALPHA game; so I was mad at myself more than anything and not giving the game some more room; as an ALPHA game then, with as many mods as I have in there now and the way I play, if I quit then I aint playin it right ! My Bad !

Cmdr Zeta - get back to your post !

Edited March 10, 2015 by Cdr_Zeta
typo

[DJEN]

Get a new life.

[Rus-Evo]

You definitely don't need a beefy computer to play KSP, though it certainly helps. I play on a 2009-vintage laptop (though it does have a discrete GPU) and the game is quite playable if I keep the mods and part counts under control. My MET timer is yellow a lot, though.

Same here. I have experimented with having low settings to launch and fly a big ship, but switch back when its below a coupla hundred tonnes. Now I am more advanced I wonder why I needed an 800 tonne ship in the first place!!!!

[Cdr_Zeta]

Hello,

More reasons to Rage Quit KSP or any game for that matter...

1) MODS dont work the way you thought they would...take a break; go skiing, which I did and was I sore the next day.

2) I get killed by a zombie hoard in DAYZ Epoch; not once, but half a dozen times cause of lagg...

Well...I am pretty lucky...it is good to vent out sometimes cause then you get a little support from someone that really picks up your day when many other people dont care to hear it because they seemingly 'have a life'; some people cant 'have a life' but we do our best and perservere.

In those lonely times is the best time to get back up and find a Quest...as insignificant as it may be, you never know what the end result can be; a spark can really set off a forest fire (not sure why I said that) but my favorite comes from a line in Dynotopia:

"One Raindrop Raises The Sea"

Funny thing...it took almost 2 months for someone to help me with a problem in KSP...that might be another reason...sometimes I just let things slide and when you least expect, an answer appears when you are looking for something else.

Zeta

Edited March 10, 2015 by Cdr_Zeta

[lajoswinkler]

You're still bugged about this? Do you or do you not want to play it? It's that simple.

[Trann]

I thought the followup would be, "to prevent an autosave after a major screw up."

Not that I've ever done that. Ever. Or yesterday, even.

[Camacha]

You definitely don't need a beefy computer to play KSP, though it certainly helps. I play on a 2009-vintage laptop (though it does have a discrete GPU) and the game is quite playable if I keep the mods and part counts under control. My MET timer is yellow a lot, though.

Also, mods. If you pile those on, your hardware will suffer the consequences.

[Red Iron Crown]

Old topic is old, I've since upgraded to a newer desktop for playing KSP, much much better.

[vger]

Community: UPDAIT NAO!

Devloper: It is not polished yet and contains lots of bugs!

Community: NAO! NAO! KWIK!

Developer: Okay! Here you go!

Most of what I've heard points to this being a flaw in the Unity Engine itself and not specifically KSP. In other words, optimization may not even help much with the memory issues.

And I definitely understand the frustration. The worse part about it is I mostly play this game to relax. I get my space fix from it and can easily get lost in it. There aren't many things worse than closing your eyes with headphones on to listen to some gentle waves, and then all of a sudden you're snapped out of the experience with the sound of an obnoxious car collision. That's pretty much what it feels like when this game crashes on me.

Crashes in this game, due to its nature, have a much nastier emotional impact.

[Sampa]

Hello,

More reasons to Rage Quit KSP or any game for that matter...

1) MODS dont work the way you thought they would...take a break; go skiing, which I did and was I sore the next day.

2) I get killed by a zombie hoard in DAYZ Epoch; not once, but half a dozen times cause of lagg...

Well...I am pretty lucky...it is good to vent out sometimes cause then you get a little support from someone that really picks up your day when many other people dont care to hear it because they seemingly 'have a life'; some people cant 'have a life' but we do our best and perservere.

In those lonely times is the best time to get back up and find a Quest...as insignificant as it may be, you never know what the end result can be; a spark can really set off a forest fire (not sure why I said that) but my favorite comes from a line in Dynotopia:

"One Raindrop Raises The Sea"

Funny thing...it took almost 2 months for someone to help me with a problem in KSP...that might be another reason...sometimes I just let things slide and when you least expect, an answer appears when you are looking for something else.

Zeta

Know the feeling on the getting an answer when you least expect it! I put out MANY inquiries on how to use mechjeb for ascent guidance in RSS/RO. almost 2 weeks later and I FINALLY got an answer that satisfies me!