The Stock Craft Revision Thread

[manni01]

The Stock Craft Revision Thread

Ok I've seen a lot of people say on a lot of threads, "ohhh how did you make that work? mine always flips out :(". I've come to the rescue (kind of). I will fix your crafts (mainly the things from the space plane hanger) and make them: not flip out, or not fall into a spin or anything like that. Now I won't just take: "I'll stick a command pod on here, fuel, engines, and some wings... ohh it flips... manni01!!...". You need to send me a craft that you have a special thing about, like if you had it since .18.5 or something or it looks soo good and you spent so long on it. Now, there will be exceptions where I won't be able to fix your craft without changing too much, meaning that it will look more different than preferable (the craft could also have something wrong with it that completely breaks everything, but is the essential good looking part of the craft), but you can decide if you want that modified version. I'm decently good at KSP now, and I think fixing some of your designs will give: 1. me more experience, 2. you a fixed craft 3. good feelings for me and you. Ok, as a little rule, your description must have:

- all listed problems with the craft

- anything that you don't know how to do (but is possible), and you would like me to do it

- tell me anything that is particular about the craft that I have to keep in mind when fixing it

- you must give me the download for the craft, too

Tell me anything about your craft, really. I don't want to break you delicate designs.

How this Thread will work:

I will get fixed versions of your craft and they will be showcased here on this thread (tell me if you don't want it showcased).

These will mainly be images. I might make a video depending on what it is.

Your fixed craft will be available to everyone who visits this thread, but I can arrange something special if you don't want it public

Fixed Crafts:

- Roflecopterkklol's Flying Wing

- My subscriber's (Necro Slasher) cars and plane

Edited October 13, 2014 by manni01

[Javster]

Sounds like a sound idea (oops), many new players (and experienced too) give up on a craft which has great potential.

[Roflcopterkklol]

Here is one i have been having troubles with for a few weeks.

basically the idea is the way everyone makes a plane in KSP is wrong and i want to fix that by designing a plane from the ground up rather than making something that looks like a plane then slapping some engines on it, The engine pack is tried and tested it needs no tweaking it is just the wing structure i am having problems with.

My problem is making a wing design for the chassis that deals with the problems flying wings have with stalling, i have tried about 6 different wing designs on it and all of them were failures.

basically it ends up with way too much lift.

One of the problems that seems to happen is when you add the middle wing structure the centre of lift comes down way below the centre of mass and i can not figure out why, the plane is completely identical top/bottom and on both sides so the centre of lift should not be moving when you finish the wing.

Another problem is putting tail fins capable of stopping the stalling on that do not look stupid, one design i had ended up with 7 tail wings to stop the stalling and bring the centre of lift back to where it was supposed to be, needless to say i started over.

I am thinking maybe i need to remove the outer wing and start over from scratch even.

So think you are up for a challenge?

Download link:

http://www./download/6ht463zc24dbyh8/Flying+wing.craft

If you are wondering what the end goal behind this, it is simply a learning process for making an SSTO design using the same technique.

By the way i am not using FAR it seems to rip it to pieces.

Edited September 8, 2014 by Roflcopterkklol

[EladDv]

building that kind of plan/flying wing is different in KSP-you need to surround the plane with wings in a 3d configurations not just in the x-z plane. more like real life is needed here when i tried these kind of designs i went with full 3d and it worked try it out and see what you get

[Roflcopterkklol]

building that kind of plan/flying wing is different in KSP-you need to surround the plane with wings in a 3d configurations not just in the x-z plane. more like real life is needed here when i tried these kind of designs i went with full 3d and it worked try it out and see what you get

Yeah my problem is achieving something that looks like a wing that also flies well lol, stock parts do not give you much to play with in the aesthetics department being such big pieces, also makes making the tail wings a pain i am honestly at a loss to if this can be finished.

I mean it is not like i have not made things like this before, Titan and goliath both use simmilar designs, only their wing structures come off the body of the engine instead of a frame around it, that and they are both huge.

Maybe that is just it, maybe i am thinking too small with that plane.

(Picture of titan and goliath for reference)

Edited September 8, 2014 by Roflcopterkklol

[EladDv]

Yeah my problem is achieving something that looks like a wing that also flies well lol, stock parts do not give you much to play with in the aesthetics department being such big pieces, also makes making the tail wings a pain i am honestly at a loss to if this can be finished.

I mean it is not like i have not made things like this before, Titan and goliath both use simmilar designs, only their wing structures come off the body of the engine instead of a frame around it, that and they are both huge.

Maybe that is just it, maybe i am thinking too small with that plane.

http://i.imgur.com/tataATq.jpg

try replicating the B-2 with full 3d body. that will help you learn how to achieve stability on small flying wings also on these scales you can replace the tail with SAS...and one more advice-swept wings conform into nice 3d shapes if you angle them down when putting them like using big wing connectors

[Roflcopterkklol]

try replicating the B-2 with full 3d body. that will help you learn how to achieve stability on small flying wings also on these scales you can replace the tail with SAS...and one more advice-swept wings conform into nice 3d shapes if you angle them down when putting them like using big wing connectors

Cheers for the advice man, if i go for the B2 i may be right about the needing to go bigger idea though.

[soulreaver1981]

Cheers for the advice man, if i go for the B2 i may be right about the needing to go bigger idea though.

you can look at my arrowhead ssto's thos are big wing design's

[manni01]

http://i.imgur.com/pmDPn6w.jpg

Here is one i have been having troubles with for a few weeks.

basically the idea is the way everyone makes a plane in KSP is wrong and i want to fix that by designing a plane from the ground up rather than making something that looks like a plane then slapping some engines on it, The engine pack is tried and tested it needs no tweaking it is just the wing structure i am having problems with.

My problem is making a wing design for the chassis that deals with the problems flying wings have with stalling, i have tried about 6 different wing designs on it and all of them were failures.

basically it ends up with way too much lift.

One of the problems that seems to happen is when you add the middle wing structure the centre of lift comes down way below the centre of mass and i can not figure out why, the plane is completely identical top/bottom and on both sides so the centre of lift should not be moving when you finish the wing.

Another problem is putting tail fins capable of stopping the stalling on that do not look stupid, one design i had ended up with 7 tail wings to stop the stalling and bring the centre of lift back to where it was supposed to be, needless to say i started over.

I am thinking maybe i need to remove the outer wing and start over from scratch even.

So think you are up for a challenge?

Download link:

http://www./download/6ht463zc24dbyh8/Flying+wing.craft

If you are wondering what the end goal behind this, it is simply a learning process for making an SSTO design using the same technique.

By the way i am not using FAR it seems to rip it to pieces.

This design was a really good looking one. From your recent designs, you seem to be getting really good at the structural panel 3d modeling. This design was hard to fix though. The structural panels are really heavy and making hulls like that, makes the plane ridiculously heavy. I recommend using wings to model your spacecrafts in the future, it gives the craft less weight, and more lift. I know the wings don't offer as much detail. Anyways, to your fixed craft. I see what you craft had problems with and you did specify to only fix the outer wing part, but that means you had issues with mass and lift, which is why I had to clip a bunch of wings into the hull. I also removed some fuel and added some engines (still looks the same) to make it fly faster. It can lift off early now (idk, your craft didn't even have wheels ). The problem with the stalling part was because your craft's yaw wings helped roll the craft, which may work on smaller crafts, but not on these kind of behemoths. I sadly increased the part count to something around 500 (my 2008 macbook pro can handle it so your computer should 100% work). Giving a lot of flaps yaw authority, but not roll authority makes the craft more stable (also, the more your yaw wings are away from your CoM, the more likely it is to flip out into a yaw spin). I might not know what I'm saying, but your craft now looks basically the same, is more maneuverable, might be a paid assassin to kill your computer, and it can take off and fly stably. Have fun getting one of these into orbit

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http://download1512./h7yf334yn7wg/9x8wywo13uj5mtn/flying+wing+mk1.craft

If you have problems with this craft, just tell me, I'm open to do many things, (I'm not making this thing into a SSTO though )

One last thing: Making the CoL go under or above the CoL doesn't make it worse. In fact, it makes it more stable.

Edited September 9, 2014 by manni01

[Roflcopterkklol]

This design was a really good looking one. From your recent designs, you seem to be getting really good at the structural panel 3d modeling. This design was hard to fix though. The structural panels are really heavy and making hulls like that, makes the plane ridiculously heavy. I recommend using wings to model your spacecrafts in the future, it gives the craft less weight, and more lift. I know the wings don't offer as much detail. Anyways, to your fixed craft. I see what you craft had problems with and you did specify to only fix the outer wing part, but that means you had issues with mass and lift, which is why I had to clip a bunch of wings into the hull. I also removed some fuel and added some engines (still looks the same) to make it fly faster. It can lift off early now (idk, your craft didn't even have wheels ). The problem with the stalling part was because your craft's yaw wings helped roll the craft, which may work on smaller crafts, but not on these kind of behemoths. I sadly increased the part count to something around 500 (my 2008 macbook pro can handle it so your computer should 100% work). Giving a lot of flaps yaw authority, but not roll authority makes the craft more stable (also, the more your yaw wings are away from your CoM, the more likely it is to flip out into a yaw spin). I might not know what I'm saying, but your craft now looks basically the same, is more maneuverable, might be a paid assassin to kill your computer, and it can take off and fly stably. Have fun getting one of these into orbit

http://imgur.com/a/V2Gr7

http://download1512./h7yf334yn7wg/9x8wywo13uj5mtn/flying+wing+mk1.craft

If you have problems with this craft, just tell me, I'm open to do many things, (I'm not making this thing into a SSTO though )

One last thing: Making the CoL go under or above the CoL doesn't make it worse. In fact, it makes it more stable.

Oh damn thats a doh on my part

i sent you one of my failures, i was supposed to send you the version i sent a picture of, but that is awesome that you made that one fly i love the looks of that version (Aesthetics are the best aesthetics)

Did you want to try your hand at building the entire wing?

I will give you a version with just the chassis and just let you go nuts, you seem to be having some fun with this and i am confident in your ability to make something awesome out of it

http://www./download/zicfn9tftgzdf37/flying+wing+%28Chassis%29.craft

(By the way cant give you any more rep until i give someone else some rep)

[manni01]

Oh damn thats a doh on my part

i sent you one of my failures, i was supposed to send you the version i sent a picture of, but that is awesome that you made that one fly i love the looks of that version (Aesthetics are the best aesthetics)

Did you want to try your hand at building the entire wing?

I will give you a version with just the chassis and just let you go nuts, you seem to be having some fun with this and i am confident in your ability to make something awesome out of it

http://www./download/zicfn9tftgzdf37/flying+wing+%28Chassis%29.craft

(By the way cant give you any more rep until i give someone else some rep)

Ohhh jeeez............. *jumps off a bridge*

You literally gave me one of the funniest responses ever. I was happy to get this over with (I don't want to melt my computer). I know you were serious and completely happy, but the sad thing is that I actually tried this, and then deleted it because it l didn't want to break your design, and you specifically told me to leave the hull. Its just a funny/sad coincidence. I might continue doing this when I get more time, or when this thread doesn't get any activity...

[Roflcopterkklol]

Ohhh jeeez............. *jumps off a bridge*

You literally gave me one of the funniest responses ever. I was happy to get this over with (I don't want to melt my computer). I know you were serious and completely happy, but the sad thing is that I actually tried this, and then deleted it because it l didn't want to break your design, and you specifically told me to leave the hull. Its just a funny/sad coincidence. I might continue doing this when I get more time, or when this thread doesn't get any activity...

Eh yeah thats what i have been doing with it, at the moment i am considering a complete re design and doubling the size of it, so yeah if you get bored go nuts, i will leave it with you, i have pretty much abandoned this version as a failure otherwise but i still feel like it can work. so feel free to do what you want with it, if you feel you need to change the chassis for it to work, do so, heck if that means making your own version do that lol.

Anywho have fun man

Edited September 9, 2014 by Roflcopterkklol

[manni01]

I should have posted this a couple days ago, but here is another revision "wave". I got asked to fix some designs and make some better by one of my subscribers, and I revised them. It doesn't really account for this thread, but I thought It might be nice to update this thread a little. Here is the video (he asked for one).