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So my mom bought a second hand iPad for £100 not understanding the possibility of there being an iPad 1 or 2 or whatever.

She only really wants to play her bingo on it, which requires an app that requires IOS 6. Which the iPad 1 doesn't support. Leads to me spending the last 5 hours jailbraking her iPad and searching for ways to update it to iOS 6 or android. This is exactly why I don't buy apple products, because the one thing you probably want to do, Apple will be like [snip] No accessability for you person who has even small knowledge of what an .apk is or does and who prefers Android because of it's flexibility. HAHA We've locked everything down to our underpowered devices.

I would have been playing KSP for the last 5 hours but this happened instead.

Anyone by chance know how do it? lol.

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Yep, sorry. Should have checked a bit closer. I don't think you'e going to be able to do this, unless somebody's properly cracked iOS 6, the rest of the guides all seem to be pretty much the same thing.

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I fail to see how any of the OP's troubles are Apple's fault. Do some basic research before buying old used hardware.

This.

I have my own reasons to dislike Apple, but you have to admit tjat this is your fault

If you knew it required iOS6 to run, you should have done some research before buying an old, outdated device.

You know that Apple are a bunch of "very silly people" and they reserve every update for new devices, so you should have taken that into account.

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I fail to see how any of the OP's troubles are Apple's fault. Do some basic research before buying old used hardware.

While it may not be Apple's *fault* exactly, it is a direct result of how Apple products are designed.

The OP is looking for guidance on how to jailbreak it (which seems reasonable to me) and if nothing else it provides a useful cautionary tale; don't buy old Apple stuff expecting to update it.

Besides... I really wouldn't expect someone who just wants to play bingo to be tech-savvy enough to expect sw/os conflicts for such a simple game.

Best,

-Slashy

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While it may not be Apple's *fault* exactly, it is a direct result of how Apple products are designed.

The OP is looking for guidance on how to jailbreak it (which seems reasonable to me) and if nothing else it provides a useful cautionary tale; don't buy old Apple stuff expecting to update it.

Same can be said of any manufacturer's hardware. Apple is actually quite good at permitting older devices to update, much better than most Android manufacturers IME. I'm an Android person, but I'm envious of Apple's better software updating. This chart is illuminating (phones rather than tablets and a bit old, but the point is the same): http://www.fidlee.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/AndroidHistoryOfSupport1.png

Of course, one can root and get a third party firmware, but that's equivalent to what the OP is attempting.

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I fail to see how any of the OP's troubles are Apple's fault. Do some basic research before buying old used hardware.

And I fail to figure out how someone got so much reputation without bothering to read an OP.

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And I fail to figure out how someone got so much reputation without bothering to read an OP.

Not starting threads with misleading flamebait titles is a part of it. I read your OP, it's 80% anti-Apple rant and 20% actual question (though I didn't see it before it got mod edited). Forgive me for addressing the title and bulk of your OP rather than the lesser part.

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Not starting threads with misleading flamebait titles is a part of it. I read your OP, it's 80% anti-Apple rant and 20% actual question (though I didn't see it before it got mod edited). Forgive me for addressing the title and bulk of your OP rather than the lesser part.

I'm not sure how explaining the exact context of my issue is an anti-apple rant, it's a rant but one perfectly justified. I had nothing to do with the purchase of said product, I was presented with a problem that an average middle aged woman with very little knowledge of computers or forums or what an OS is has extreme difficulty in comprehending. As Apple tries to become ubiquitous with life and pervade into every aspect of your day to day living, they do so in full knowledge that *SOME" of their user base is going to be people that have very little understanding of technology. That said part of user base is going to be alienated and confused as to why things don't work when they did exactly what they were told.

You want to do X go buy an iPad. iPad was bought, you bought the wrong iPad.

They market themselves as the SIMPLE, CLEAN, EASY choice. And while their design, marketing and interface may be simple clean and easy. Their Hardware is not. Their hardware is clunky, often underpowered compared to what else is on the market, and in some cases some of the most complex to use I've ever come across.

That, is why apple sucks.

Is that clear enough now?

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Here comes the flame war...

Aye, every time I see this crop up in the new posts listings, I wonder a bit more why it hasn't been locked yet. All this is going to lead to is anger.

As for the OP, you can be frustrated with a problem without having a flamebaiting rant about said problem while then asking out of the corner of your mouth about the actual problem.

I've run OSX for years and you don't see me flailing my arms about and screaming when I've got to try to fix things on my SO's Windows 8 rig.

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Aye, every time I see this crop up in the new posts listings, I wonder a bit more why it hasn't been locked yet. All this is going to lead to is anger.

As for the OP, you can be frustrated with a problem without having a flamebaiting rant about said problem while then asking out of the corner of your mouth about the actual problem.

I've run OSX for years and you don't see me flailing my arms about and screaming when I've got to try to fix things on my SO's Windows 8 rig.

Has there every been a problem you couldn't fix because Windows deliberately made it so it was impossible to do?

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Aye, every time I see this crop up in the new posts listings, I wonder a bit more why it hasn't been locked yet. All this is going to lead to is anger.

As for the OP, you can be frustrated with a problem without having a flamebaiting rant about said problem while then asking out of the corner of your mouth about the actual problem.

I've run OSX for years and you don't see me flailing my arms about and screaming when I've got to try to fix things on my SO's Windows 8 rig.

Probably a waste of typing on my part, but ranting "Apple sucks!!" out of frustration really shouldn't be "flamebait".

It's not personally directed at anyone, political, religious, or singling out any subset of people. Nevertheless, people do have an odd affinity for aligning themselves with brand names and some will take slights against their brand personally *shrug*...

Best,

-Slashy

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The point is Apple doesn't want you to use your old hardware, i am sure there is no technical reason why the bingo app shouldn't run on an ipad1. The only reason is Apple doesn't want you to, cause they want you to buy a new ipad. Because of that i see it was legitimate from the OP to say Apple sucks. (I am an Apple user too btw, have an iphone5s and ipad gen3)

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I fail to see how any of the OP's troubles are Apple's fault. Do some basic research before buying old used hardware.

How is it 'not Apple's fault' that it's physically impossible to run new software on older hardware, even when it would be able to run?

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this is why i dont use portable devices. you pretty much get locked in to what software you end up using. on a pc if i dont like the new version of windows, there are a lot of other operating systems i can replace it with. portables on the other hand are locked down with software licenses and easily voided warranties. then on top of that you are locked into app stores. i didn't like ios any more than i liked android. the only os i have actually liked on portable devices is linux actual (not droid), and i really dont like linux.

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How is it 'not Apple's fault' that it's physically impossible to run new software on older hardware, even when it would be able to run?

At one point it is no longer feasible to support legacy hardware.

You may be able to install new-ish apps on an android device from 2010. But you really don't want to use them anyways. 320p (~ 400p if you are lucky) screens, < 500mb RAM, Gingerbread and slow-poke CPUs you'd rather read a book than do anything on them, including bingo.

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portables on the other hand are locked down with software licenses and easily voided warranties. then on top of that you are locked into app stores.
Depends on the device in question. I've already installed apps from F-Droid on my Moto G, and I think I can root it if I want and even change the OS to something like CyanogenMod.

iDevices, though, are universally locked-down. It is indeed one of the reasons I'm unlikely to ever buy one.

Incidentally, I'm been in a similar situation to the OP. My boss came to me asking if I could install WhatsApp on his son's iPod Touch. Several hours of mucking about later, yes it was possible, but in future I think the answer will be "No, it's not compatible."

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At one point it is no longer feasible to support legacy hardware.

You may be able to install new-ish apps on an android device from 2010. But you really don't want to use them anyways. 320p (~ 400p if you are lucky) screens, < 500mb RAM, Gingerbread and slow-poke CPUs you'd rather read a book than do anything on them, including bingo.

The problem with saying this is that you haven't done any reading or know anything about the situation, you're throwing generics out.

IOS 6.0 runs on The iPhone 3GS which has the same specs as the original iPad but a smaller screen. The difference is they stripped out IOS 6.0 to put on the 3GS because it was still a popular seller in less developed countries. the iPad despite being practically identical from a hardware perspective did not. Why didn't it get IOS6? Because it couldn't, or wouldn't run? Nope. It was because iPad 2 was out.

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A little OT, but I play KSP on my 6 year old computer (with a whopping 2 GB of RAM) with good results. I just upgraded to OS X Yosemite, and it seems to run well. My point is, I consider my hardware to be legacy, but it works well for me and I expect to be using it until I yield to the temptation of buying the 27" iMac with Retina display (which means that instead of being able to run 4K cinema, it will run 5K, in that sense). But for now I'll hang in there with my current investment.

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