Problems Recoveir Debris

[IgnaKO]

hi,

first of all, english not my languaje so excuse me for my faults.

I´m in a early campaign completing the "test" missions. I had done many missions and recover all parts of the ship, but if the debris land on KSC i can´t recover them.

I saw that in a mission where my ship left behind 4 debris (1 motor core and 3 motors radial mounted on it). I reach the heigh that the mission specify (vertical fly), i decouple them and activate the needed part and start the descent. I was going down at same speed as the debris. When i reach the surface i can see the 4 motors landed perfectly, 2 "out" of the KSC and 2 "in". I recovered the vessel and return to the KSC view. In that moment i can only see the 2 debris that landed out. The others disappeared, not recovered with the command pod.

Someone have the same problem or it´s just me?

lo pongo aqui en español para que quede mas claro para los lectores que sepa español

"Acabo de empezar" una campaña y estoy con las primeras misiones de probar piezas. Las que son de prueba X pieza a tal altura las hago ascendiendo en vertical para aterrizar cerca del KSC y maximizar lo que recibo al recuperar la nave. He hecho unas cuantas y si las piezas caen fuera del KSC recupero todo; pero si algun "resto" cae en el KSC no me deja recuperarlo, desaparece.

Me fijé el otro dia cuando en una mision que tenia que probar un motor a 18k metros. Construi un cohete con varias fases. Primera fase 4 motores, 1 central y 3 externos, y en la siguiente fase activaba el motor que era necesario. Al llegar a la altura hice lo que tocaba, desacoplar los motores y hacer el test. Los motores (y sus bidones de combustible)descendian individualmente con 2 paracaidas radiales cada uno y el command pod y el resto del cohete con 1 mk16 y 3 radiales. Practicamente caiamos a la misma velocidad. Al llegar al suelo vi a mi alrededor los 4 motores aterrizados en perfectas condiciones, 2 aterrizaron fuera del recinto del KSC y 2 dento. Recupere la nave y en la vista del KSC solo me daba opcion de recuperar los 2 motores que habia fuera, los de dentro no los reconocia.

Es un problema que a la larga me va a hacer perder pasta porque no recupero lo que me costo el cohete, solo la mitad.

A alguien mas le pasa o solo a mi?

[Anquietas314]

It's hard to tell from your description, but it sounds like you're just experiencing the issue where parts that get beyond 2.5km from you while low enough in the atmosphere (below ~23km on Kerbin) get deleted. You can use the StageRecovery mod to overcome that if you've got parachutes (or fuel and an engine) on the debris.

I don't speak Spanish but hopefully this is reasonably accurate (blame google if not):

Es difícil saber a partir de su descripción, pero suena como si sólo está experimentando el problema por el que se eliminan las piezas que llegan más allá de 2,5 kilometros de usted mientras baja lo suficiente en el ambiente (por debajo de ~ 23 kilometros en Kerbin ) . Puede utilizar el mod StageRecovery superar que si tienes paracaídas (o combustible y un motor ) en los escombros.

[Jason Patterson]

Just to be clear, did you see all 4 parts land safely? It's possible that two exploded on impact as well. I think that amagheddonsgw is probably right though.

[Reactordrone]

I just ran a test where I dropped a couple of tanks and engines on the runway and KSC biomes and one piece on the shores biome and it looks like any debris that lands at KSC gets automatically deleted with no funds recovery.

Added- just to be clear I never got more than 2km from the parts and they were still showing up as debris markers when I drove the rover back onto the runway.

Edited December 28, 2014 by Reactordrone

[IgnaKO]

thanks both for the interest.

when the command pod land the 4 debris were standing intact quite close. I can saw them rotating the camera. They landed as planned,in fact i saw them landing cause they were near to the pod in the descent. But when I press the recover the vessel button i recovered only the command pod and the parts attached to it, not the debris. In KSC view i see the icons of 2 debris that i can recover, the other 2 weren´t there so in the moment of recovering the vessel the game delete them for no reason.

@armagheddonsgw i understand written english perfectly. The problem comes when i have to talk or write XD

[Anquietas314]

I just ran a test where I dropped a couple of tanks and engines on the runway and KSC biomes and one piece on the shores biome and it looks like any debris that lands at KSC gets automatically deleted with no funds recovery.

Added- just to be clear I never got more than 2km from the parts and they were still showing up as debris markers when I drove the rover back onto the runway.

Are you sure the debris didn't just explode?

[Reactordrone]

Quite sure. It dropped off the rover cleanly and was just sitting there on the runway and the grass. The tank, engine and decoupler that was dropped in the shores biome was available for debris recovery, the stuff in the KSC biome was deleted and the funds for those items weren't recovered.

[IgnaKO]

same. That´s what i was talking about

[Anquietas314]

Quite sure. It dropped off the rover cleanly and was just sitting there on the runway and the grass. The tank, engine and decoupler that was dropped in the shores biome was available for debris recovery, the stuff in the KSC biome was deleted and the funds for those items weren't recovered.

Interesting. I've just checked the bug tracker and there's no entry for stuff in the KSC biome being deleted. Are you sure there's no funds recovered? if you recover debris from tracking station it doesn't always display a message but does always recover the funds (check if the number changed). The parts came to a complete stop while you were watching them, right?

[Cerberus738]

I've seen this too but i assumed the funds were added back. I never bothered to check. But yes debris that lands inside the KSC biome does disappear.

[Reactordrone]

I've seen this too but i assumed the funds were added back.

I ended up 5709 funds less than what I started with which matches the cost of the parts dropped off within the KSC biome.

[IgnaKO]

I ended up 5709 funds less than what I started with which matches the cost of the parts dropped off within the KSC biome.

There is the problem, in the first steps of the career mode every fund counts. Without that loss maybe I should have upgrade the tracking station (i miss those f*kin manouver nodes).

[Dispatcher]

One of the strategy selections for the game involves making your debris more recoverable. I don't recall the name of the strategy, but the rationale mentions something about better tracking devices in the parts. I've not made any comparisons between using that strategy vs. no strategy to see what the differences may be in practice.

[IgnaKO]

One of the strategy selections for the game involves making your debris more recoverable. I don't recall the name of the strategy, but the rationale mentions something about better tracking devices in the parts. I've not made any comparisons between using that strategy vs. no strategy to see what the differences may be in practice.

thanks but the topic it bout debris landed in KSC disappearing

[Anquietas314]

One of the strategy selections for the game involves making your debris more recoverable. I don't recall the name of the strategy, but the rationale mentions something about better tracking devices in the parts. I've not made any comparisons between using that strategy vs. no strategy to see what the differences may be in practice.

That strategy only gives you a higher % return for landing far from KSC, at the cost of increased launch costs. The thing about tracking devices is just fluff text