Female Kerbals

[TheCanadianVendingMachine]

That's fantastically naive. It's like saying that feminists created the problem, and everything would be fine as long as women were contented to be just housewives and mothers.

You're wrong. Not having girls in the game was a very big gender issue, one that was being contested for some time now. You may have missed the threads on the subject, but they were usually heated and ended up closed by the moderators.

You know, there is another issue the game forgot about. Fat people. I think the developers are fat-shaming anyone who is obese because they refuse to create slightly larger models for slightly larger people. And height-shaming, and mocking the homeless because of there being no cities. And mocking the hungry/thirsty because of the lack of food, and weather.

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There is a way for female kerbalnauts to change things about the game, and for it to be a positive addition.

And that is, that it provides opportunities to divide the engineering/science/piloting skills differently.

If the female kerbalnauts are implemented with the possibility to have a seperate skill set or skill tree available to them, then it gives players, and modders more options to do things.

like in other games, where gender is one of the ways in which variation between character builds is achieved, and that is then a tool for modders to build upon.

Explain how one could divide it. Enlighten me

[Parkaboy]

There is a way for female kerbalnauts to change things about the game, and for it to be a positive addition.

And that is, that it provides opportunities to divide the engineering/science/piloting skills differently.

If the female kerbalnauts are implemented with the possibility to have a seperate skill set or skill tree available to them, then it gives players, and modders more options to do things.

like in other games, where gender is one of the ways in which variation between character builds is achieved, and that is then a tool for modders to build upon.

Except that it would be a horrid move in terms of political significance. Girls can do the same jobs guys can do. That's the message they should pass.

[TheCanadianVendingMachine]

Why is it such a big deal that they add female Kerbals? I'm sorry, I fail to see the issue here.

And, like the post above me states, who knows, we might end up with Kerbals with identifiable features apart from three oranges and a lot of greys. Good thing.

There is no issue, it's the other people taking my point of view and deciding that they need to warp it

[AbhChallenger]

Valentina is an obvious exception. Oh - and by the way she is alive and well. I had an honor to meet her in person once.

I sadly did not remember her name. I hope with the progress made by SpaceX. She does get the change to live on Mars.

[tntristan12]

I legitimately don't understand the vehemence. We knew female kerbals were coming, because it only made sense! I never agreed with the "genderless" interpretation of the kerbal race, even when it was HarvesteR who started it. Adding female kerbals only increases the diversity of the kerbal race, and adds more color to what is otherwise a very homogenous experience. For those complaining of the hype generation machine, the hype lasted all of 24 hours. It obviously wasn't supposed to be a huge bombshell.

[AbhChallenger]

..........

I would argue they've already made a mistake through naming her "Valentina", as described in my previous post, which I think is a name better suited to an adult dancer than an attempt to bring any form of gender equality to a game.

Wow.. Just stop man. You've exposed yourself enough.

[TheCanadianVendingMachine]

I legitimately don't understand the vehemence. We knew female kerbals were coming, because it only made sense! I never agreed with the "genderless" interpretation of the kerbal race, even when it was HarvesteR who started it. Adding female kerbals only increases the diversity of the kerbal race, and adds more color to what is otherwise a very homogenous experience. For those complaining of the hype generation machine, the hype lasted all of 24 hours. It obviously wasn't supposed to be a huge bombshell.

You know, they should add fat kerbals. And anorexic kerbals. And multi-colored kerbals. And short kerbals, and skinny kerbals. Homeless kerbals, retarded kerbals (Retarded - "less advanced in mental, physical, or social development than is usual for one's age"), and Genius kerbals. Why not add monkey kerbals, don't want to offened ANYTHING

[Parkaboy]

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Weren't you the one that wanted to discuss it in a civilized manner? I did my best, now I'm going to do something else. [Moderator rephrasing: It seems like your opinion will remain unchanged].

Edited January 24, 2015 by Master Tao
better ways to say that

[Louella]

Except that it would be a horrid move in terms of political significance. Girls can do the same jobs guys can do. That's the message they should pass.

There was a thread, where people expressed the opinion that having 1 kerbalnaut with both piloting and engineering skills would be a good thing.

And I said possibility of having a seperate skill tree, not that that should be the default.

Being able to modify the skillset of one group of Kerbalnauts independently of a different group of Kerbalnauts, would be a useful tool for mods.

[GusTurbo]

That's fantastically naive. It's like saying that feminists created the problem, and everything would be fine as long as women were contented to be just housewives and mothers.

You're wrong. Not having girls in the game was a very big gender issue, one that was being contested for some time now. You may have missed the threads on the subject, but they were usually heated and ended up closed by the moderators.

This is 100% on point. There was absolutely a gender issue in the game for those who believed that women should be represented in-game, just like they are in real-life space programs. There is no good reason to be against this.

[Nitrous Oxide]

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It's not that girls are stupid or they are less important than rocks or clouds, it's in terms of gameplay significance, would you rather the artists invest their time in a model that for 95% of the game is inside the ship or in the box in the bottom corner, or on actually beefing up the pretty boring planets that actually exist in the game?

Edited January 24, 2015 by Master Tao

[FlowerChild]

Wow.. Just stop man. You've exposed yourself enough.

Exposed how and as what man? I'm representing the kind of arguments that will inevitably be made if you step into a debate about gender bias and how that is essentially a big waste of time for Squad to get involved in, in an attempt to address something that wasn't a problem with the game in the first place.

I do not think I am doing so in an antagonistic manner, but you seem to be taking it that way.

[Frozen_Heart]

Really glad that they are finally being added. Almost every time I've showed the game to someone, after a while they've asked why there are no women.

However this announcement has definitely revealed a darker side to the KSP community than I thought existed. Woman are not some small minority that is only being added due to political correctness. Believe it or not about 50% of humans are female...

You know, they should add fat kerbals. And anorexic kerbals. And multi-colored kerbals. And short kerbals, and skinny kerbals. Homeless kerbals, retarded kerbals (Retarded - "less advanced in mental, physical, or social development than is usual for one's age"), and Genius kerbals. Why not add monkey kerbals, don't want to offened ANYTHING

Adding minorities and adding women are two very different things. You're using a straw man argument.

[TheCanadianVendingMachine]

Really glad that they are finally being added. Almost every time I've showed the game to someone, after a while they've asked why there are no women.

However this announcement has definitely revealed a darker side to the KSP community than I thought existed. Woman are not some small minority that is only being added due to political correctness. Believe it or not about 50% of humans are female...

*Ahem* You are not understanding the issue, it seems

It's not that girls are stupid or they are less important than rocks or clouds, it's in terms of gameplay significance, would you rather the artists invest their time in a model that for 95% of the game is inside the ship or in the box in the bottom corner, or on actually beefing up the pretty boring planets that actually exist in the game?

[Claw]

If you can't keep it civil, without attacking each other, this thread will get shut down and cut up. I remind you again to stay away from personal attacks, flame baiting, and straw man arguments.

This is a feature that was announced quite some time ago, and it is but one feature slated for the next update. You can listen in to the announcement on KSP TV here, or keep an eye on the forum for upcoming announcements.

Cheers,

~Claw

[Frozen_Heart]

*Ahem* You are not understanding the issue, it seems

Except I'm not. It puts me off that my entire gender is not in the game and people are objecting to them being there.

[Nitrous Oxide]

However this announcement has definitely revealed a darker side to the KSP community than I thought existed. Woman are not some small minority that is only being added due to political correctness. Believe it or not about 50% of humans are female...

Wait, you're shocked that the forum has a hardcore user base that actually care more about the inner-workings of the game and it actually being playable or not vs. a pop-culture argument that is literally echoed out on every corner of the internet? I'm not against female Kerbals, it's just... like... how do I make you people understand that currently, right now, KSP is unplayable for me. My 8GB of RAM is going to waste because the game can't even use it! And they're just adding yet another asset, which means more RAM! And even if it's only 20MB, that means I have to pick and choose which 20MB mod I have to remove!

But whatever, gender equality is clearly more important than a working, functioning, playable product.

If Squad just focused on optimizing the game first, we could have female Kerbals later, and NO PROBLEMS! WOOO! EVERYONE WINS!

Edited January 24, 2015 by Nitrous Oxide

[Pipcard]

Female Kerbals will be cool. Especially if they can have turquoise pigtails.

[TheCanadianVendingMachine]

Except I'm not. It puts me off that my entire gender is not in the game and people are objecting to them being there.

Once again

It's not that girls are stupid or they are less important than rocks or clouds, it's in terms of gameplay significance, would you rather the artists invest their time in a model that for 95% of the game is inside the ship or in the box in the bottom corner, or on actually beefing up the pretty boring planets that actually exist in the game?

[tater]

Please explain how it will be a positive addition, besides sales.

"Sales" means people buying the game. Anyone buying it because of this feature who would not have before is positive. A girl turned off by no girls, sees girls, and buys game. Win for Squad, win for the girl who gets to learn some orbital mechanics and have fun. No downside.

IT's gotten better, but my daughter used to rant about legos. They added stupid, pink legos with girl characters ("friends") and she hates them. She just wanted the regular kits to have some female characters in them. Nearly every Harry Potter lego set had Harry, you needed to buy the bizillion dollar Hogwarts to get Hermione.

Simple thought experiment. If instead of green kerbals, what if the astronauts were basically my little pony characters or pink princesses. Would you be playing, yes, or no? Would your son if you have one?

The answers are no, and no.

[GusTurbo]

If you can't keep it civil, without attacking each other, this thread will get shut down and cut up. I remind you again to stay away from personal attacks, flame baiting, and straw man arguments.

This is a feature that was announced quite some time ago, and it is but one feature slated for the next update. You can listen in to the announcement on KSP TV here, or keep an eye on the forum for upcoming announcements.

Cheers,

~Claw

This thread should be shut down. You can't expect a civilized discussion when the OP starts by stating:

I state my point of Female Kerbals being "stupid"...

And then proceeds to vomit retrograde nonsense all over in support of it. There is simply no hope, so I had better leave before I get myself banned.

[Louella]

Instead of 3 character classes, there is an opportunity for there to be 6.

There's an opportunity for there to be different dialogues in crew reports and EVA reports.

More tools for modmakers, more variety for players.

And, also, ever consider that maybe the artists are capable of working on multiple things at once ? Maybe these female Kerbals were something that someone was working on, in their spare time ? Maybe they're something that an artist created while having mental block on some other project ? These things happen. Trying to do one piece of work, like write a story, get writers block, take a break, doodle something, inspiration strikes. That sort of thing.

[TheCanadianVendingMachine]

This thread should be shut down. You can't expect a civilized discussion when the OP starts by stating:

And then proceeds to vomit retrograde nonsense all over in support of it. There is simply no hope, so I had better leave before I get myself banned.

Well, you see. That's why it's in quotes. I don't find them stupid, just not needed for now. I would rather better RAM allocation, optimizing the game, and the actual behind the scenes work that a BETA should be doing. Rather than a unnecessary feature

[razark]

They don't directly name Kerbals after real life astronauts.

Valentina?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentina_Tereshkova

Also, Edlu Kerman?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Lu

[Louella]

Well, you see. That's why it's in quotes. I don't find them stupid, just not needed for now. I would rather better RAM allocation, optimizing the game, and the actual behind the scenes work that a BETA should be doing. Rather than a unnecessary feature

Do artists do that work ? Or code specialists ?