cicatrix Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 This does it! After messing up with Windows 10 Technical Preview, a friend of mine pointed me into its EULA. Here's a direct quote:«Microsoft collects information about you, your devices, applications and networks, and your use of those devices, applications and networks. Examples of data we collect include your name, email address, preferences and interests; browsing, search and file history; phone call and SMS data; device configuration and sensor data; and application usage.»It appears, that Windows 7 is the last operating system from Microsoft that I would ever use.In the next version they would probably oblige me to send them reports about my daily activities. No more Microsoft for me. Switching to open source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibb31 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 It's a Technical Preview. It's for testing, not for normal use. The whole point of a technical preview is to collect data and feedback about how people use it. If you don't want to send feedback, then don't use beta software! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cicatrix Posted February 11, 2015 Author Share Posted February 11, 2015 It's a Technical Preview. It's for testing, not real work. The whole point of a technical preview is to collect data and feedback about how people use it. If you don't want to send feedback, then don't use beta software!Please, can you clarify, just how exactly my name, my e-mail, my interests, my sms and internet history help to IMPROVE the operating system performance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibb31 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 The same way Facebook, Google, and Apple "improve your experience" by learning about you.If you don't want to have any data collected, I think you're going to have to use a dumbphone, Linux and set up your own alternatives for email, cloud storage, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flixxbeatz Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 WINDOWS 10? so which means there's no such thing as that during windows 7?collecting to improve system performance? yeah, sure... "improving"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cicatrix Posted February 11, 2015 Author Share Posted February 11, 2015 The same way Facebook, Google, and Apple "improve your experience" by learning about you.If you don't want to have any data collected, I think you're going to have to use a dumbphone, Linux and set up your own alternatives for email, cloud storage, etc...I try minimize what Google can collect by not submitting anything that is absolutely essential, I'm not using real name, I don't have a Facebook account (same with any other social network) and I don't use Apple products I'm relatively anonymous. Yes, I'm switching to Linux and all my data in clouds is AES encrypted . The next step would be to use VPN to mask my IP address, it appears Who's a paranoid? Not me, certainly. Really, my personal information is what it says - PERSONAL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanaticalFighter Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Well, you can always use DuckDuckGo for searching the internet if you don't want Google collecting stuff on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lajoswinkler Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Or you simply don't have to browse while being logged on. Nobody is forcing you to be logged on unless you want to comment on YouTube, and Google+ is an annoying piece of crap that has been shoved down our throats.With little discipline and effort you can surf the web just like you used to do before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartGonzo Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 I'm fairly sure the EULA for windows 7 was the same.makes no difference, you can't hide your identity online regardless of what you do, the idea of online anonymity is mostly just a fallacy put around by intelligence operatives.everything can be monitored, everything can be traced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Iron Crown Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Meh, I've basically stopped trying to limit the data that Google, MS or social networks are able to collect about me. It really doesn't matter to me. I suspect in a generation the expectation of any sort of digital privacy will be long gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lajoswinkler Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 I'm fairly sure the EULA for windows 7 was the same.makes no difference, you can't hide your identity online regardless of what you do, the idea of online anonymity is mostly just a fallacy put around by intelligence operatives.everything can be monitored, everything can be tracedTrue, 100% anonimity is impossible, but that doesn't mean you have to chose between: a) zero and 100%.If you use Google's services while being logged on, it will collect data. If you don't, and you don't have a static IP, what can it trace? It can't. Only if someone wants to trace you will your activities be monitored. There are simple ways to avoid passive collection of data. Don't log on, clean history, change IP on regular basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartGonzo Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 True, 100% anonimity is impossible, but that doesn't mean you have to chose between: a) zero and 100%.If you use Google's services while being logged on, it will collect data. If you don't, and you don't have a static IP, what can it trace? It can't. Only if someone wants to trace you will your activities be monitored. There are simple ways to avoid passive collection of data. Don't log on, clean history, change IP on regular basis.Yes that's good advice, there are a few plugins for Firefox that can help stop passive tracking too, like ghosteryI'm sure there will be alternatives for other browsers too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cicatrix Posted February 11, 2015 Author Share Posted February 11, 2015 Or you simply don't have to browse while being logged on. Nobody is forcing you to be logged on unless you want to comment on YouTube, and Google+ is an annoying piece of crap that has been shoved down our throats.With little discipline and effort you can surf the web just like you used to do before.It's not just browsing logged/unlogged. Win10 records all your keystrokes, as far as I understand, including your passwords, etc. Yes, it has a built-in keylogger you have no way to turn off.- - - Updated - - -True, 100% anonimity is impossible, but that doesn't mean you have to chose between: a) zero and 100%.If you use Google's services while being logged on, it will collect data. If you don't, and you don't have a static IP, what can it trace? It can't. Only if someone wants to trace you will your activities be monitored. There are simple ways to avoid passive collection of data. Don't log on, clean history, change IP on regular basis.There are still cookies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Iron Crown Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 It's not just browsing logged/unlogged. Win10 records all your keystrokes, as far as I understand, including your passwords, etc. Yes, it has a built-in keylogger you have no way to turn off.Really? Where did you come by that information? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozen_Heart Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 They can collect whatever the hell they want about me. I don't really care.If they start selling my passwords off then I'll start making a fuss.Refusing to even have fb in case someone finds out who you are strikes me as a little paranoid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cicatrix Posted February 11, 2015 Author Share Posted February 11, 2015 Really? Where did you come by that information?http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/preview-privacy-statement...For example, when you:install or use Programme software and services, we may collect information about your device and applications and use it for purposes such as determining or improving compatibility (e.g., to help devices and apps work together),when you use voice input features like speech-to-text, we may collect voice information and use it for purposes such as improving speech processing (e.g., to help the service better translate speech into text),when you open a file, we may collect information about the file, the application used to open the file and how long it takes to use it for purposes such as improving performance (e.g., to help retrieve documents more quickly), orwhen you input text, handwrite notes or ink comments, we may collect samples of your input to improve these input features, (e.g., to help improve the accuracy of auto-complete and spellcheck).... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Iron Crown Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 "May collect samples of your input" is quite a bit different from "records all your keystrokes". The keyboard app I use on my phone does something similar to improve accuracy.But if it makes you uncomfortable, by all means don't use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cicatrix Posted February 11, 2015 Author Share Posted February 11, 2015 Refusing to even have fb in case someone finds out who you are strikes me as a little paranoid...That's not the case. I'm not using it because I am a paranoid but simply because I don't see any reason for me to use it. Never was impressed by it and never had a desire to join. I have Skype and e-mail. Facebook simply has nothing to offer me that I wanted that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozen_Heart Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 That's not the case. I'm not using it because I am a paranoid but simply because I don't see any reason for me to use it. Never was impressed by it and never had a desire to join. I have Skype and e-mail. Facebook simply has nothing to offer me that I wanted that bad.The only reason I use it is it makes it very convenient to organise events. Without it you don't get invited places. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cicatrix Posted February 11, 2015 Author Share Posted February 11, 2015 "May collect samples of your input" is quite a bit different from "records all your keystrokes". The keyboard app I use on my phone does something similar to improve accuracy.But if it makes you uncomfortable, by all means don't use it.The difference is rather subtle and from a legal standpoint IF they (accidentally) collect your username and password and use them you shouldn't object because you agreed with this yourself.- - - Updated - - -The only reason I use it is it makes it very convenient to organise events. Without it you don't get invited places. :/Always a nice and stylish thing to have: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtxoff Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Using Windows 10 will be a very bad idea. Why do you think they will be giving it away "for free" to legit Win7 and Win8 users in form of an upgrade?Nothing in this world you'll get for free. Everything has it's price. In this case the price is your privacy. Live with it or use Linux.Win7 is the last Windows version i'll ever use too, they last day they support Win7 in form of updates will be the last day i will be using Windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Iron Crown Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 The difference is rather subtle and from a legal standpoint IF they (accidentally) collect your username and password and use them you shouldn't object because you agreed with this yourself.Somehow I don't find that prospect likely enough to be worrisome. But as I said, if it concerns you by all means avoid it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartGonzo Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Using Windows 10 will be a very bad idea. Why do you think they will be giving it away "for free" to legit Win7 and Win8 users in form of an upgrade?Nothing in this world you'll get for free. Everything has it's price. In this case the price is your privacy. Live with it or use Linux.Win7 is the last Windows version i'll ever use too, they last day they support Win7 in form of updates will be the last day i will be using Windows.unfortunately Linux and gaming don't mix too well, I was thinking maybe of giving STEAM OS a try Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtxoff Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 unfortunately Linux and gaming don't mix too well, I was thinking maybe of giving STEAM OS a trySTEAM OS = Linux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartGonzo Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 STEAM OS = Linuxlol, learn something new every daypresumably as it's valve it will support all windows games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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