Sigma52 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 thought i'd put in my two cents as well. This does work fine with alternis kerbol, in career and sandbox. But just a heads up, science archives breaks in career mode... Its not game breaking but it is the only issue that i can find at this time. Currently running this with quite a few mods but the first that come to mind are Alternis kerbol and the new city lights and clouds pack with memory reduction. It looks fantastic!!! with a memory usage of 2.5 and thats including b9-interstellar-KW-LLL-AIES- and various other mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lantay77 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 thought i'd put in my two cents as well. This does work fine with alternis kerbol, in career and sandbox. But just a heads up, science archives breaks in career mode... Its not game breaking but it is the only issue that i can find at this time. Currently running this with quite a few mods but the first that come to mind are Alternis kerbol and the new city lights and clouds pack with memory reduction. It looks fantastic!!! with a memory usage of 2.5 and thats including b9-interstellar-KW-LLL-AIES- and various other mods.I have not tried alternis and PF together, but I noticed alternis does not always show the archive, so it may just be that. I have had to load a ship and go back to space center then the archive shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kragrathea Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 Hi everyone. Back from a long holiday break and I will have a new version soon. As I said before the next version will primarily be for folks who want to make planets. As such I will post it in a thread in the Plugin WIP section until it is stable enough for general release here.Krag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tygoo7 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Hi everyone. Back from a long holiday break and I will have a new version soon. As I said before the next version will primarily be for folks who want to make planets. As such I will post it in a thread in the Plugin WIP section until it is stable enough for general release here.Krag.Are you planning to add science definitions to this mod? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kragrathea Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 Are you planning to add science definitions to this mod?I hadn't planned on it. I confess I know nothing of such things. If someone wanted to make some I would be happy to include them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigma52 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 (edited) I hadn't planned on it. I confess I know nothing of such things. If someone wanted to make some I would be happy to include them.Would love to see science definitions added, there is always the idea to let the community add different science entrys on a google document. Kinda like a collaboration of sorts. Take a look at the crowd source science thread. Only thing i can think of being an issue is how the planet biomes work with added planets. Edited January 7, 2014 by Sigma52 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowkillar Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Ok. So I searched the thread and couldn't find anything about it, but I got the glitch where the kerbal system is inside the new star and have no idea why. I started a new game and everything so I don't know what went wrong. A little help to enjoy what appears a very interesting mod seems to be in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ideal Gas Lawyer Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Hi everyone. Back from a long holiday break and I will have a new version soon. As I said before the next version will primarily be for folks who want to make planets. As such I will post it in a thread in the Plugin WIP section until it is stable enough for general release here.Krag.Sweeeeeeeeet. I can't wait. This will be the version with the black hole centered binary star system you hinted at in that video you posted a while back?Ok. So I searched the thread and couldn't find anything about it, but I got the glitch where the kerbal system is inside the new star and have no idea why. I started a new game and everything so I don't know what went wrong. A little help to enjoy what appears a very interesting mod seems to be in order.I think you messed up the install. Just drop it into your game data folder, homie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kragrathea Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share Posted January 9, 2014 WIP Creators Edition thread:http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/65401-WIP-PlanetFactory-CE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lajoswinkler Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Is it really impossible to land on Thud with stock parts? Not even a very light probe? I just installed this and I'm heading to Ablate first, but I'm thinking about Thud in the meantime.What about sepratrons acting as last second decelleration, just like Soyuz capsules work?Also, a cushion made of struts for absorbing kinetic energy.Anyway, this is a great mod. It actually has the stuff I wanted to be included into the Kerbol system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwiak Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I dont plan playing planetfactory until i explore all stock worlds, but what about Thud that makes it impossible to land on stock parts?Also, is there any list of planets, with their gravity, atmospheric density, optimal phase angle for starting from kerbin, delta v required, all the orbital parameters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralathon Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Is it really impossible to land on Thud with stock parts? Not even a very light probe? I just installed this and I'm heading to Ablate first, but I'm thinking about Thud in the meantime.What about sepratrons acting as last second decelleration, just like Soyuz capsules work?Also, a cushion made of struts for absorbing kinetic energy.Anyway, this is a great mod. It actually has the stuff I wanted to be included into the Kerbol system. Probably not impossible, just very very hard. (Read; ugly laggy rockets ahoy.)IIRC Thud has a surface gravity of about 3G. To land something you need high enough thrust to at least hover. This means you can't use nukes for the landing stage since they have a TWR maximum of 2.7 (thanks to the engine's own weight). Furthermore you need a lot of dV to cancel your orbital velocity. I can't check the actual orbital velocity in a low Thud orbit right now, but I estimate it'll be around 7km/s. So you probably need around 8km/s to actually land on the thing. Lots of dV + no nukes = messy asparagus staging nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasmic Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Probably not impossible, just very very hard. (Read; ugly laggy rockets ahoy.)IIRC Thud has a surface gravity of about 3G. To land something you need high enough thrust to at least hover. This means you can't use nukes for the landing stage since they have a TWR maximum of 2.7 (thanks to the engine's own weight). Furthermore you need a lot of dV to cancel your orbital velocity. I can't check the actual orbital velocity in a low Thud orbit right now, but I estimate it'll be around 7km/s. So you probably need around 8km/s to actually land on the thing. Lots of dV + no nukes = messy asparagus staging nonsense.I saw an image sequence once with someone who'd done a stock landing on Thud. First, he send the lander and landed. Then, the lander being out of fuel, he sent a new lander on top of a lander, and lifted Jeb away from Thud. Then, having run out of fuel in Thud orbit, he sent a return vehicle to get Jeb home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lajoswinkler Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) I dont plan playing planetfactory until i explore all stock worlds, but what about Thud that makes it impossible to land on stock parts?Also, is there any list of planets, with their gravity, atmospheric density, optimal phase angle for starting from kerbin, delta v required, all the orbital parameters?Thud's surface gravity is 3 G and it has no atmosphere.Tylo has 0.8 G and I was breaking balls just to land something on it. Thud would require something Eve requires for ascent.Coming back from Thud? That's Whackjob's work. The sheer amount of dV really requires too many parts for my PC.In reality (if we pretend the gravitational constant of KSP was true), Thud would have an atmosphere and a hydrosphere. The body would be quite round, without prominent features on its surface. With 3 G and so far away from the star, the volatiles would never leave it.If we don't pretend, Thud would be the core of a small gas giant.Probably not impossible, just very very hard. (Read; ugly laggy rockets ahoy.)IIRC Thud has a surface gravity of about 3G. To land something you need high enough thrust to at least hover. This means you can't use nukes for the landing stage since they have a TWR maximum of 2.7 (thanks to the engine's own weight). Furthermore you need a lot of dV to cancel your orbital velocity. I can't check the actual orbital velocity in a low Thud orbit right now, but I estimate it'll be around 7km/s. So you probably need around 8km/s to actually land on the thing. Lots of dV + no nukes = messy asparagus staging nonsense.So I guess FAR is the way to go? I don't have much RAM so this won't happen.Do you think this would be enough? I think it had a pretty high impact resistance last time I checked.http://kerbalspaceprogram.com/cp-airbag-system Edited January 9, 2014 by lajoswinkler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralathon Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 So I guess FAR is the way to go? I don't have much RAM so this won't happen.Do you think this would be enough? I think it had a pretty high impact resistance last time I checked.http://kerbalspaceprogram.com/cp-airbag-systemNo atmosphere, so FAR is going to do bugger all (Also, FAR is practically free RAM wise. Go fetch it, it's awesome).And no, I don't think the game even bothers to calculate impact tolerances if you move fast enough, stuff just goes *poof*. And you're going to hit the surface with several km/s when you try to lithobrake. The only way to get around that is by first slowing down so the fall doesn't kill you, but that brings you right back to the 8km/s ish of dV needed and the high TWR (else you'll accumulate a lot of downward velocity during landing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwiak Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 SO, what mod parts do you use for Thud landing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lajoswinkler Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 No atmosphere, so FAR is going to do bugger all (Also, FAR is practically free RAM wise. Go fetch it, it's awesome).And no, I don't think the game even bothers to calculate impact tolerances if you move fast enough, stuff just goes *poof*. And you're going to hit the surface with several km/s when you try to lithobrake. The only way to get around that is by first slowing down so the fall doesn't kill you, but that brings you right back to the 8km/s ish of dV needed and the high TWR (else you'll accumulate a lot of downward velocity during landing).Crap, I didn't mean to say FAR. There was a mod with very powerful rockets, I forgot its name. I rarely use mods and prefer to play without them so I don't know all the names and stuff.I would slow down, of course. Airbags, sepratron decellerators, struts, that would be a last resort. Anything to land a small probe core down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metaphor Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I don't remember if I linked these already but here's my Thud landing and rescue missions:Javascript is disabled. View full albumJavascript is disabled. View full albumOrbital velocity in low orbit is only about 4200 m/s so it's not that bad to land and take off from. But it's definitely harder than Tylo, with about the same delta-v needed as to get off Eve. Getting into low orbit takes a lot of delta-v by itself since there's no atmosphere to aerobrake in, but you can use nuclear or ion engines for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lajoswinkler Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Wow, that's incredible.I hope to put a probe down there. That's all I need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrombo Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Hi all, pretty excited about the challenges I've read here. Does anybody have a decent delta-v map for the new bodies, yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metaphor Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Hi all, pretty excited about the challenges I've read here. Does anybody have a decent delta-v map for the new bodies, yet?Sentar takes about 2500 m/s delta-v to get to from low Kerbin orbit, not including the inclination change. It takes about 1000 m/s to capture. Flying around in the Sentar system takes surprisingly little delta-v since Sentar has a low mass. Ringle is the same size as Tylo, Erin is the same size as Laythe, Skelton is the same size as Duna (except its atmosphere is a lot thicker so it's harder to take off from). And Thud takes about 2000 m/s to go from low orbit to capture/escape and about 4500 m/s to land on or take off from.Serious takes about 2700 m/s to get to from LKO, and 2000 m/s to match Joker's orbit. Joker is the same size as Minmus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cziken20 Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Is it possible to install only sentar and it's moons? Because i don't want those really-hard-to-get-to planets (actually asteroids). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cziken20 Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 And probably serious too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omicron314 Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Is it possible to install only sentar and it's moons? Because i don't want those really-hard-to-get-to planets (actually asteroids).Not as far as I know, but by using the Real Solar System plugin you can rearrange and rescale every celestial body at your will, so any planets you don't like can be plopped a few light-years away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirkut Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Not as far as I know, but by using the Real Solar System plugin you can rearrange and rescale every celestial body at your will, so any planets you don't like can be plopped a few light-years away.Maybe give the WIP version of PlanetFactory a try?http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/65401-WIP-PlanetFactory-CE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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