thanks for the answers. I have a 4 nuke engine lander ( standard nuke engines no mods) 88.98 tons total mass with 12 tons of detachable ground rovers, with 4 Mk 2 radial parachutes. This design landed easily on kerbin and eve, using mech jeb, but has a problem landing on Duna using mech jeb. I have the kethan mod and want to land in a kethan rich area to reuse the ship but mech jeb will not work properly. this is what I happened and what I have tried to do to correct it. first try I select the site using the landind guidance feature of mech jeb, then warp to high orbit, let mech jeb correct for the landing site and wait for the braking burn. then its stops working, I watched it deorbit without firing the engines and have the vehicle ripped apart from the chutes deployin usually just as the main engins come on around 10k meters So I try again, set the point let it do the de orbit burn then try to keep the orbital speed low enough to deploy the chutes but not so much to move my landing site out of the kethane field. I get the chutes to deploy then active mech jeb to land anywhere when it is low enough, then I have trouble. But mech jeb does very odd things, the engines stutter, comming on and off in rapid succession and the landing speed never gets low enough to make a safe landing . I have tried the burn high up but my landing points moves to far from the kethane field. even near the ground mech jeb on land anywhere simply does not function very well with parachutes. I will try manual landing but it is such a pain to do. Ogre