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"So the problem here is that you can program a synthetic mind to behave according to some moral standards. But the values of morality are actually chosen by you and the quantification process is also creator-dependant. So what it ends up representing is your idea of a system which quantifies your idea of moral values. But now the machine is deprived of free will as you're hardcoding it to "like" and "dislike" some actions more than the others. And now we're already pretty deep in the territory where the machine is pretty much just an automaton pretending to me a moral subject. So you can call this morality but I don't see how it even remotely resembles the morality the humans possess." Well, we, humans, are already hardcoded. For reproduction and survival for exemple. That don't stop us to be "sentient". Hard coding is mandatory, but there are already programs wich can modify themselve, thus evolving. And in bonus our entire universe is "hardcoded".

" As an evil greedy profit-focused corporation, which option would I take?" There are states, there are billonaires. Anyway, I think that for to get something "sentient" we need to build something that could understand a language (there is a webpage with a IA wich we can discuss with, don't it ? ) and then let it learn by itself on wikipédia. Netherless, that just make a parrot, but then, using the data it have, we can give it order ("solve this, solve that,...") and by reducing or augmenting the amount of computationnal power it could have, we can recompense it, and gradually making him "sentient". I don't get why it would be interessant, tough.

I know that but how restart process without need to reboot computer/ There is a way to do so ?

For what I know, u can kill almost any proces with no problem, so go on, try. If your pc act weird after, just turn it on and off again

if u have instrument precise enough, just 2 coin would be enough. Since gravity is instantaned (for what we know).

For the ballons, what about CH4 or some other hydrocarbure ? We then break the bond for to get the h and here we go. otherwise, can't we also put something in orbit of mars ? (for to go to phobos ) You could spray coat a thin layer of it at the surface of your balloon with this kind of ablative material before launch, (the payload could still keep it's own shielding -ejecting 1.5kw of energy/m of energy through ablation should be pretty easy - and no need of a ejection mecanism (if it's less complex, it could become more reliable) - the ablation would be calculated to remove almost all of the ablative material diring reentry, keeping only the balloon. (The reentry heat could also further expand the balloon (if built for that) if we transfer some of this heat to the gases inside the balloon - decreasing even further density during reentry (could help counteracting the additional weight of an ablative coating) => we can't, the baloon will be already in overfill, he wouldn't resist that kind of thing.

Was kinda out of the picture for a long time and I see that we , mmh, how to put it ? Didn't moved of a inch. The space ... gecko actually gave us some hint : - we need either redundancy (in an 1u, it's hard (we can still use the lamp as temporary heater but ...) - Or we need stuff that can survive without sun. Without heater. Wich mean that tropical moss isn't going to do the trick. (Except if we can put together a translucid material + keep the room at 10 to 30 ° passively. Wich is kinda out of our reach I think (I may be wrong)). Thus we need to look unto plant that have no problem, even when freezing( probably an algua so we can have statistical info. http://eol.org/pages/926003/overview red (easy to see) adapted to uv. Adapted to frost. What else, do we need ? And (that's the more important) a stuff that can live under ice might survive on mars with no problem So that would be 'Could that stuff survive in mars ?' Now, we just need someone to get some and test tham on martian ice like stuff. And thus that test would principaly be about radiation and UV. Thus we need a window wich could mitigate lumens and radiation like mars does. (wich isn't really hard to build (probably need pro, tough). And finally we would have jeb on a bloodlike ice laughinging maniacelly in space and that's definitely worth the try. EDIT : oh, yeah, look http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC141035/ http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00866446#page-1

We can still stick with the .5 U idea. We will just test how the smarthphone cpu react when protected (that's quite important for next cubesat launchs). When I am back at home, I will look how we can protect the cpu and if we can do it with an inflatable module or not. We need one face transparent for awesome photo, the opposite to the sun will do the job (and the solar panel on the other side). We should try 3 modified smarthpone so for to have significant data. If that work as intended (same as a spacegrade CPU), we can try other positions and even, maybe expose the glass/plexiglass/acrylic panel to the sun. If that work it would be awesome enough to get founding for wathever cubesat we would launch next. if that don't, too bad, we tried. For the plants. Don't even think about it. None of the launchers will accept to launch living biomass in space. Even less an entire ecosystem. IF we can get a launcher who accept biomass and IF we can actually build it, let's go for mars soil. Nasa can give that to us.

In fact I did though the same way as you do. Human love exploring things. But now, after almot a year on ksp, I can say this : "Human love exploding things"

If the launch is 30k $ and the ground station 100k $ We would be better with an interplanetary mission. It wouldn't happen.

If, as said by someone, space grade stuff is overpriced, we should get a space grade cpu. Because he would be able to withstand way easily the 6 month or so mission for to test the inflatable module. Apparently, heat isn't a problem since space grade cpu just need to be heated (no chiller). So, a radiation geiger (100$), a thermometer (20$) and a pression tester (50$). With that we need just a camera (100$) and an heater (100$). For the ground station, anyone got info ? And stop thinking about living stuff. No one accept it if it's not with a deorbiting system.

Well. omni got like a large range and now, most smartphone have gyroscope inside. And the tether experiment sound a lot too hard for our 1st mission.

The problem is that spacegrade computer are at 2.5 k $. That's quite pricy. IF we can get a ride to LEO for less than 10 k $ and IF we can have a ground station for 5k$ dollar or less, it would be possible. 20k to 25k $ is reasonnable for a quickstarter. So. Does someone know if we can get either of them or both ?

So, uh, where can we play to it ?

We don't need to get a 1U at all. 0.5U exist. We need non amovible solarpanel, however it would be impossible. http://www.clyde-space.com/cubesat_shop/solar_panels/1u_solar_panels/50_1u-cubesat-side-solar-panel 2200 $ 2W. (someone can say if it's enough ? ) http://www.clyde-space.com/cubesat_shop/batteries/16_cubesat-standalone-battery 1600 $ One smartphone modified 500/ 1000 $ 500 $ for the inflatable module and the test module (not spacegrade tough) We are at 5k for the sat.

Same here. Tomorow I will look the launcher for to know wich one accept biological stuff.

"Anyway, are we allowed to put moss on our CubeSat? I think we are. And also, ahould we see how thw moss acts under diffrent temperate and pressure levels?" That die. That can withstand 0 to 40 degree but 120 sound not so promising Okay. Let's just monitor O2 and pressure (except if someone can get a light geiger ? ) That would already need some hard work.

"Wait... I, I can see the future... The mission report's coming in.... Unfortunately I think it's a failure. Unless you can find a better way. Not trying to be mean, just funny." Well. Said like that... Can we cool it like a fridge or forget about moss at all ?

The advantage of that moss is that it die dried if u don't supply it in water. So, if our inflatable break, that die. IF we can put biological matter on it, we would get our green life form in orbit. That actually sound awesome, or it's just me ?

So, simple, low cost mission. Because the tether would be quite hard to manage. We can stack srbs under a larguable jeb

We need to put an O2 captor and an pressure one thus, for to prove that inflatable don't crack. We just need a kerbal flag and a jeb statue otherwise. And with something like that, not amovible space panel might be sufficient (?)

20° (we should use a really small easy plant (Java moss for exemple (need a bit of water tough))) The heather wouldn't be pricy cuz it would be inside the inflatable part, so no space grade thingy). After some reflexion. Wouldn't it be way more easy to just have a sheet of inflatable material ? OOOOOOOOOO O O I O O I OstuffO I O O I O O I OOOOOOOOOO I being inflatable. SO we just have to manage 1 bar of pression

Mmmh didn't tought about the whole biological risk. Tether on the other hand might work. I just failed my 1st year in engineering (let's all blame ksp for it ) and I live in Europe (belgium), but I can do part of the job (already launched a baloon with a temperatur captor, pressure captor and O2 cpator into high athmosphere (6km) with a friend. We does get back to earth the data but heck if I know where it is).

1U. Enough for plants. and we need an heater too. don't forget it.

Well. Study if inflatable module can be used for a freakin spacestation ? Prove that u can have plants on space, withou anymore protection than a thin layer of plastic/metal ?