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I don't think so, unless it's a deliberately different name.
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totm october 2020 Airplane Design Q&A
Bill Phil replied to mikegarrison's topic in Science & Spaceflight
Switching to hydrogen could be done. It would certainly be expensive and difficult, but it is doable. The real problem is that something like 96% of hydrogen production is from reduction of natural gas or other hydrocarbons... so it wouldn't be a clean fuel. -
I’m pretty sure USS in Trek is for United Space Ship or United Star Ship.
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Even if Orion is a dead end, it's a dead end in the same way that the internal combustion engine is a dead end. "Better" technology exists, but it's relatively simple to build. Even then, Orion designs have quite a lot of room to grow, much like ICE concepts did. And even then, one can argue that Orion already lead to more sophisticated drives: Mag Orion and Mini-Mag Orion are both conceptual evolutions of the Orion. It also led to the concept of Medusa. Furthermore, a thermonuclear (pure fusion) concept was developed, though creating pure fusion explosives is a difficult endeavor. Not only that, but it's very difficult to properly say that Orion doesn't have any room to grow. Only time will tell. You can make Orion perform much better - change the geometry of the plate and you can have different values for the momentum exchange efficiency. Change the length of the spring and you could have higher efficiency for momentum exchange. Change the pulse unit design and you can change performance. Scale it up and it's also going to perform better. Use thermonuclear pulse units and you can possibly gain even more performance. Perhaps introduce a system for using laser or particle beam inertial confinement to detonate pulse units that are large but not independent bombs. There's a lot that can be done with Orion. Even horse-drawn technology eventually lead to the development of other technology. Horse-drawn railways, horse-drawn carriages, and so on all have technological descendants today. An antimatter Orion is pretty much useless. Mostly because the antimatter isn't even needed. But an Orion can be counted as a torchship - mostly because the definition is pretty much nonexistent. If you mean constant-acceleration drive, then no. But if you mean a high thrust, high specific impulse, high thrust power drive, then yes. And while Orion does have a low pulse rate, the entire reason for the shocks is to smooth out the ride. Do it well enough and you could have a human crew just fine. It certainly wouldn't be comfortable mind you, but any Orion drive ship is only going to be firing its drive for maybe a few hours, and more shocks plus some linear motors could be built into a certain part (if needed) to make it more comfortable. There are numerous advantages to Orion. It's something we could do in a reasonable timeframe. It has very minimal residual radioactivity (on the drive itself). And it has a lot of room to grow - most of that room being based on scaling up the drive. There's a strong argument that all of the technology we currently use, save for certain exceptions, are dead ends. Most of them are essentially developments of 19th century technology. Then the entire conception of "dead end" technology is almost irrelevant - what matters is whether or not said technology is doable and if it meets the requirements. Most technology is a dead end. And even if Orion is a dead end, it happens to be in a performance regime that's quite favorable for reasonably fast interplanetary travel - this fact won't change no matter what the future holds. Of course other theoretical drives are in that regime too, but Orion is something that could be done in a much shorter timeframe.
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I wouldn't call it a dead end. Definitely a brute force solution, but it has some intrinsic advantages to magnetic field based nuclear propulsion. For one, it's a lot easier to build a hunk of steel. And while magnetic fields would generally be better at transferring momentum, Orion seems like it scales better, considering that magnetic fields have a limit to their strength and lose strength with distance. So for smaller vehicles magnetic nozzles are definitely the superior choice - Mini-Mag Orion for one example. But go big enough and a giant steel plate with shock absorbers starts to look very attractive in comparison. Of course that brings into question whether or not something of that size would ever be desirable, which is actually one of Orion's biggest problems in general. No one really needs that capability. At least not yet.
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totm march 2020 So what song is stuck in your head today?
Bill Phil replied to SmileyTRex's topic in The Lounge
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Hold on, you just said create a plan to save as many as possible - that isn't the same as evacuating the planet. But we could do both if we had the entire planet, or at least try. So, we have two solutions. Number One - Deflect the Impactor: This will probably be done with nuclear pulse propulsion. Something like Project Orion. Number Two - Evacuate the Population: This may not be necessary if the impactor is put onto a trajectory that misses, but it could be a reasonable solution. So how would we go about this? Well, for the first solution, we have to figure out what we're dealing and come up with a vehicle to do the job. A large enough Orion could do it, at immense cost. Depends on how much impulse this thing will need. If need be, multiple vehicles can be sent. They would probably try to grapple with the impactor and push it. If this fails, then it may be possible to push it using either directed nuclear explosions or by burying nuclear charges in its surface. Or perhaps an impactor could provide enough momentum exchange. As for evacuating the population... well, we need to lift the human population off the planet. But we should also try to get other parts of nature off as well, or at least try to get genetic material from as many species as possible. Project Orion can be useful here as well. Launching a large enough mass to Earth orbit could enable a significant space based industry. This space based industry could extract oxygen from the lunar surface along with metals and possibly bring hydrogen to make water. Other elements can be sourced from Earth as needed - it's going to die off anyway if the impactor hits. So the first step is to establish a massive space based industry. The goal for this industry will be to build enough orbital habitats to house the human population. Large solar power and agriculture satellites could be built as well. Of course, building enough space habitats is an immense challenge. We can minimize the number by packing people in high density dwellings. 500 thousand per square kilometer is possible, though it will not be comfortable or enjoyable. But standard of living isn't the concern - survival is. If the world has 8.5 billion people by 2030 (ten years from now), then we'll need 17 thousand square kilometers worth of space habitats - if ever space habitat is 10 square kilometers, then we'll need 1700 of them. Can that be done? Probably not. But we know that a space habitat might require 15 tonnes per square meter of shielding, with non-shielding mass being much smaller. That's 255 billion tonnes of shielding - which can be just about anything. Structurally we might need around a twentieth of that, about 13 billion tonnes. If we take this production as occurring in around 5 years, with the first 5 years spent establishing this industry, then we need to produce around 2.6 billion tonnes of metal per year, definitely more to build agricultural satellites. So let's call it a good 3 billion tonnes per year. That is a damn lot. And of course we'll also need to handle much, much more. Of course we could pack people more densely, which would reduce the requirements. 2 million per square kilometer was nearly reached in the Kowloon Walled City... definitely won't be comfortable. This would reduce the needed area, and thus mass, by 4. This reduces the needed metal production per year to 750 million tonnes - which is quite achievable. Indeed, current industries could be leveraged along with space based industries to reach a larger number if needed... crude steel production is already over twice that. We could reasonably expect an excavator of sufficient size to excavate around 180 tonnes of soil/regolith per hour. Assuming each excavator only operated for half of a day, we can find how many excavator would be needed to excavate sufficient material for shielding. Using the higher population density you need around 64 billion tonnes of shielding. This requires around 355 million excavator-hours. Over 5 years and half of the time is operating time, we'll need around 16 thousand excavators. A bit more, actually. This isn't actually a huge amount. Excavators like this could be around 50 tonnes, for a total of around 810 thousand tonnes. This could be delivered to the Moon, along with a lot of other equipment, with Project Orion vehicles. The hard part in this instance will likely be developed a lunar excavator and mass producing them fast enough. Of course, the other aspects of the logistics would need to be addressed as well. But... it could be possible. If everything went perfectly. Obviously it won't, but getting a good tenth of the global population into space could be doable. Maybe even more.
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totm aug 2023 What funny/interesting thing happened in your life today?
Bill Phil replied to Ultimate Steve's topic in The Lounge
Not today, but yesterday. I learned that my great-grandmother wrote a story about going to the Moon. Looks like finding space interesting is a family trait... -
Better fluid mechanics. I understand the limitations of such an implementation for physical accuracy, but it could be done for a visual improvement. Combine that with a better geography and you can have really interesting geographical features and a varying water level, with rivers flowing down mountains and so on. This would make Kerbin a lot more interesting. Could use it for clouds as well...
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should i get KSP or should i stick with Simple Rockets?
Bill Phil replied to simplerockets2's topic in KSP1 Discussion
SR2 is 3d. Has some interesting stuff in it too. -
Tethers in space - expanding their use
Bill Phil replied to MatterBeam's topic in Science & Spaceflight
I’m more of a believer in stuff like launch loops and mass beam propulsion systems than space tethers - those just seem easier and offer better performance. But space tethers are still a very interesting concept to me. Anything that can make Earth to orbit launch easier is a cool concept. And space tethers can do quite a lot as well. But I don’t think tethers will offer as much capability as one would initally believe. Not to say that they can’t, but the geometry of space trajectories is incredibly complex. For example, launching from anywhere that isn’t the equator requires plane change manuevers to go to GEO. Pretty significant ones in some cases too. This means you have even more constraints on your system - launching from anywhere on Earth to the Moon requires a plane change unless the time and place is perfect or reasonably close. This is easy for rockets since you can just do it when the time is right. But for tethers you have even more time constraints on the mission - the tethers themselves require highly accurate timing both for capture and release but also for getting to the tether in the first place. Not to say that it isn’t possible, but it would definitely be more complicated and less capable without expanding the infrastructure considerably. You’ll need “out of plane” tethers that catch and launch out of plane, which creates some interesting issues as well. Still could be interesting to look into.- 7 replies
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Fundamental Force Control VS Mass Replication
Bill Phil replied to Spacescifi's topic in Science & Spaceflight
I suspect that we lack the understanding necessary to really make that claim. The relationship between fundamental forces could make it so that such a thing just doesn't happen. Some process may create "negative" energy, so that the energy remains conserved. If not, it would be interesting if an advanced species tried to prevent the expansion of the universe by "creating" more energy, at least locally (perhaps within their local supercluster). Of course then you'd need to deal with entropy. And possibly proton decay. But if it is as you say this could be doable. -
Fundamental Force Control VS Mass Replication
Bill Phil replied to Spacescifi's topic in Science & Spaceflight
Hmm.... Might be able to make some ultra-strong materials. Still a fundamental limit to strength, but a Niven style ringworld falls well below it, and a Banks orbital is still smaller. But I doubt mass replication is possible - the energy has to come from somewhere even if you can manipulate it to be matter. Though it does become a lot easier to transmute elements. -
From an energy used per unit thrust perspective, yes. But a photon rocket should have the highest possible specific impulse. Only in the case of rockets. A photon rocket may not use physical propellant in the same way a conventional rocket does but it does use mass to generate thrust. There are other propulsion schemes, however. For example, photon sails get 150MW per N, because of the reflection. Some concepts create a resonance cavity between the sail and the origin and can get hundreds of kW per N. And in theory a vehicle could reflect an incoming mass stream and get good performance as well. Such drives are not rockets, and can achieve better thrust per unit power than photon rockets. This is because photons are extremely inefficient at transferring momentum. This can be improved by reflecting photons as many times as possible before they become impossible to reflect or by using particles with mass. Within the context of interplanetary travel a network of beam stations (likely firing a mass stream but laser beams are possible too) could provide reasonably fast travel. And in theory such technology could be scaled up to provide interstellar launch capability as well, though that would be a far future endeavor.
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Bad science in fiction Hall of Shame
Bill Phil replied to peadar1987's topic in Science & Spaceflight
Vernier engines can actually be part of the RCS, though Apogee Motor is a bit weird. Though by the time of the Universal Century it's possible that a number of terms have changed... I guess aerospikes just aren't really well known enough or considered desirable for the "cool factor". -
Fair enough.
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Information can't travel faster than light. As for the speed, I'm not sure if it would be the speed of sound or not. However, the application of a force would create a stress locally, and that stress would have to propagate. Stress waves propagate differently depending on whether or not the stress is normal stress or shear stress. I believe normal stress propagates at the material's speed of sound, provided that it's isotropic and of constant density. However, shear stress propagates at much lower speeds generally since it's based on the shear modulus of the material which is usually lower than its elastic modulus. Basically, the impulse is only applied locally. The force applied creates local stress which then propagates like a wave. Interestingly, this would also mean that the material would have an infinite elastic modulus - infinite tensile/compression strength.
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Well he could theoretically do something. I mean there’s a version of him that has god like powers.
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Colonization of Ceres instead of the moon or Mars
Bill Phil replied to catloaf's topic in Science & Spaceflight
Ceres is also immensely more massive. It's not stability. It's that asteroids aren't structurally sound. And even if you don't spin the asteroids up you want a rotating habitat of some kind and excavating that material leaves you with a huge amount of stuff that you could build rotating habitats with since it's likely to be denser than the air you fill it with. -
Colonization of Ceres instead of the moon or Mars
Bill Phil replied to catloaf's topic in Science & Spaceflight
It is possible. And it may be done one day. But it's something that is considerably difficult compared to orbital habitats. Indeed. Such a project would be quite a challenge. But it's a question of scale. Escape velocity in high Earth orbits can be on the order of hundreds of meters/sec. At 1 hundredth of a gee such a maneuver wouldn't take too much time. Of course, for a habitat (and some other stuff) massing around 50 million tonnes, that's still a lot of force. Something like 5 giganewtons. But again, that's a question of scale. We can use a huge cluster of rocket engines, or we could use mass drivers. Or perhaps some nuclear pulse drive system. Not too crazy, really. Indeed nuclear pulse drives generally work better at larger scales, though this doesn't apply to all such drives. Though one based on Mag-Orion could do it well, and at high ISP too. Though you wouldn't want it to use actual bombs. Doesn't seem any more advanced than the settlement itself to me. Sure, there's a minimum degree of self-sufficiency. But what I was getting at is that the individual settlements themselves will be more akin to cities or even neighborhoods than nations. A nation-state could be capable of self-sufficiency, but could that be said of the cities within it? Or individual neighborhoods? As a whole system the space settlements and space based industries could be self sufficient, but individual settlements need not be. That's too much to ask. I think it's reasonable to expect them to grow their own food, but even that would require some regular inputs over time. Even settlements on a planet have a limit to their modularity. The question is what is the optimum size for a given module? This is a limitation of orbital settlements, but it isn't a deal breaker. We can start small as we build up the infrastructure. Some rather small designs exist but still have reasonable populations. And over time the size of new colonies grows until we reach the optimum for size and ease of construction. There are concepts for expanding rotating habitats but I am not too familiar with them. However, it is definitely possible to inhabit a small portion of the colony and not pressurize the rest until you need it. Beyond that there are a few ideas where a cylinder can be lengthened while under rotation. I personally don't like that idea since it's overly complicated. It definitely requires more infrastructure, but I would argue that it's not that much more. The industry in space can be bootstrapped to an extent and once it reaches the necessary size building space colonies can be done without too much trouble. It's essentially a giant pressure vessel - and cylinders are well suited to having a huge number of identical parts. Once the industry reaches a certain point building a new colony could become easy enough that doing it for just a few hundred people isn't seen as a problem. Especially since you'd want to have a continuous production of colonies - maybe even with a stable population. Don't get me wrong, using the Moon as a resource is definitely great. But I don't really think the Moon or Mars are suitable for human habitats. We can do much better with artificial environments built in space. -
British Engineer? Pretty sure he was from the American South, at least in-universe.
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Colonization of Ceres instead of the moon or Mars
Bill Phil replied to catloaf's topic in Science & Spaceflight
Not necessarily. Certain planets would make excellent sources of raw materials like Mercury or Mars, provided civilization is suitably energy rich. Actually using asteroids and comets as habitats isn't a great idea. It seems great at a surface level, but consider that asteroids aren't all that structurally sound. And even if they were, the amount of material that you'd excavate would be large enough that you could build more habitat space. It's not self-replication in the context of microscopic things. It's self replication on an industrial scale - that is, using industry to self replicate industry. All you need to bring is a population to provide labor and the means of production for them to work on. If every space habitat has its own industrial block that can build another space habitat (with another industrial block) then said habitat can self-replicate, provided the population is large enough to provide the labor necessary and the needed inputs are provided. This isn't nanomachines, but rather more conventional machines (though adapted for use in the free fall environment if necessary). So really it's a symbiosis of nonliving things and living things that work together to self-replicate, provided the right energy and material inputs. The only strict problem with orbital habitats is material resources. The fuel will be solar energy (or nuclear energy if necessary). Even then, with enough energy this problem becomes rather solvable by sourcing materials from places that have those materials. Some places will have everything in varying quantities and others won't. But to build a space habitat 95 to 99% of the mass will be shielding, so it can be basically anything. It's still desirable to place habitats near material sources though, in energy terms. So in orbit over a planet or large asteroid. Possibly bring some other asteroids with good resources nearby. How is that any different from settlements on Earth? They need regular resupply as well. No space settlement should ever be considered to be an isolated system and no large human settlement should be expected to be entirely self-sufficient. Every settlement is but one part in a much larger whole, and should be considered as such. Even settlements that are sent to other planets to then self-replicate won't be completely isolated unless they're going on an interstellar voyage. In fact, you could send a cluster of settlements at once along with a decent cache of necessary resources to use while en route and shortly after arrival. No human settlement is ever completely self-sufficient. Even a Moon or Mars settlement would require the infrastructure to receive regular cargo and manufacture things. Not to mention large scale infrastructure to build the settlement. Not only that but the vast majority of the mass of orbital habitats is just that: mass. It can be anything. This is because most of it is radiation shielding. So in terms of mass that provides living space, it'll likely be quite similar to the mass requirements for any settlement on a planet/moon, but this one can provide a full 1g. No one should live on the Moon. People can work there - to provide resources for orbital habitats and other purposes - but no one should live there. The gravity could be much too low for healthy development. But it can be a decent source of some materials. Space habitats are basically housing (with some more stuff but that's basically what they are). Resources can be gathered from other places, and manufacturing can be done either on a space habitat or wherever is convenient. But housing should be as comfortable and healthy as possible. These requirements necessitate 1g. And the only way to get that is rotation. This could also be done on a surface but that's highly complex in comparison and the surface itself limits expansion. So building such habitats in space would be the best option. -
But what can you do if you die in a car accident? Or anything else? Risk of death will still exist. The life expectancy may rise to thousands of years, but that's a blink of an eye compared to the half life of proton decay. Sure, there may be a way to save someone, but there's a new debate about whether or not that's even the same person. Biological immortality isn't the total elimination of death. Just a large reduction in the risk. But that risk still exists.
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Well they’ll still be able to relate to us. Likely won’t expect to see the oceans boil either, and almost definitely won’t live long enough to really care about proton decay.