Ok, I trimmed your original post to try so sum up what you are getting at. I'd like to think i understand what you are saying, but because my opinion differs from yours, I'm afraid you're going to just say I don't understand (or are you ONLY looking for responses that agree with you? If so, you're in the wrong place). You read the forum posts about what not to suggest, what has already been suggested, and the planned feature list. You also seem to have made the assumption that the planned feature list is a complete list of all that's going to be in the game and nothing else thats not in this list is going to be added. I feel its safe to say that this is a false assumption, as just about everything added in the ARM patch(0.23.5) was NOT on any of those lists that I can recall. Most of the items marked as "Not Happening" have no citations, but Devs at one point or another said they would not be adding those features so its safe to assume they'll never be stock parts of the base game. Mostly because they don't fit with the Dev's vision of this game at the time they said they wouldn't do it. They reserve the right to change their minds, thats life. But then, the SEVEN(thats it, just 7 measly things they've nixed) listed 'not happening' features aren't what KSP is about anyway. It is an opinion, we are all entitled to them. No need to be calling people stupid for disagreeing, we're trying to discuss the matter in a civil manner here. This entire section of the forum is about what features people think should be in the game, why have one thread in that forum to do the same? Most people are going to post their suggestions in separate threads, not here, so this thread is going to remain a response to your post and any additional posts you make. Career mode is going to be much more than it is, it is in it's infancy right now. The tech tree is still being rebalanced (right now all the parts are balanced for Sandbox mode). I love the idea of having to manage a budget and upgrade the KSC with whatever rewards come from the contract system (feature still in development, we have no idea what kind of rewards there are, or how 'money' is going to work). I don't like the idea of having to travel all over the place and mine minerals to build individual parts. I'm leary enough of having to manage a budget that gets wiped out with every Duna mission I launch, or each Eve mission that can't come back because I calculated my D-V wrong, or mis-timed a burn. Orbital space stations? Awesome, tons of us want 'em, that's why people have already made mods to add them to the game. Not because Squad isn't going to do it, but because the modders WANTED to make a mod. Squad hasn't "left it up to [them]," they probably jumped the gun. If Harvester and the other Devs want to add that feature, there are people out there that have already figured some of the problems out. Orbital telescopes gathering science? Sure! Why not. Career mode is still in the works, still needs balancing, I don't see why this can't or won't happen. Just what is it thats being left up to the modders? The seven features they decided not to implement? The 1,001 other features it would take them twenty years to add? If a mod is out there that ALREADY does what people want, why should the Devs waste time re-doing all that work? They've already hired two or three modders from the community to help them work on this game, nothing says they can't or won't do that again. Some mods have already been rendered obsolete by features they had becoming stock, it may well continue to happen. Theres no set release date for this game, it may stay in development for years, growing well beyond it's original scope.To assume the base game is going to be stale is to look at a sapling and assume it's going to be a crappy tree growing bitter fruit, when it could be a redwood or an orange tree. The future of this game is as yet unwritten, and I believe it has a bright future, as do hundreds or even thousands of other people who play this game and either suggest interesting features or decide to mod them in. So, really... what's the problem? If you don't like the game then I'm sorry, I love it. If you think it's incomplete, well.. it is. If you still have no respect for the hard-working makers of this game (did you know SQUAD isn't a game developer?), then there's nothing anyone here can say to change your mind.