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    Dali is propelled by a single low-speed two-stroke crosshead diesel engine coupled to a fixed-pitch propeller. Its main engine, a 9-cylinder MAN-B&W 9S90ME-C9.2[11] unit manufactured by Hyundai Heavy Industries under license, is rated 41,480 kW (55,630 hp) at 82.5 rpm.[2] Its service speed is 22 knots (41 km/h; 25 mph).[5] For maneuvering in ports, Dali has a single 3,000 kW (4,000 hp) bow thruster.[4] Electricity is generated by two 3,840 kW (5,150 hp) and two 4,400 kW (5,900 hp) auxiliary diesel generators.[4]

  2. You have to have some speed for the rudder to provide control.  8.5 knots is not very fast, though it probably would have been fine at half that speed.  

    The ship also has a bow thruster for low speed maneuvering, but that probably failed along with everything else when the power went out.

    I'm still not clear on whether they dropped anchors before the collision.  In such a scenario the anchors probably would not have dug in and done much, but it's one more thing to try.

     

     

  3. Staying in the atmosphere longer means more loss due to drag, no doubt about it.  The inclination difference is no big deal.  It's easy to adjust inclination after leaving the atmosphere.  Nobody claimed the vertical approach would save dV.  But if the difference is not significant, what advantages does it have?

    One of the big advantages in game is you can have oversized payloads without a fairing.  The aerodynamics hurt you less.  

  4. 1 hour ago, tomf said:

    Just to confirm my intuition I just did a test in ksp. I built a simple two stage rocket with about 5000 m/s delta v with fairly low twr.

    First launch was directly upwards and it arrived at the edge of kerbin's soi with a speed of 856m/s.

    The second launch did a conventional gravity turn before burning parallel to the surface. That one arrived at the soi with 2000m/s

    So it seems clear that the gravity losses for burning directly up are pretty substantial.

    I did my tests a little differently.  burning until the escape bubble shows up and then seeing how much dV I have left.  I just tried it with a simple two stage rocket with 7000 m/s, I had about 1700 left in both cases.  If anyone else wants to test this please do.

  5. Orbit first is the base case.  The vertical approach probably does not save delta-v.  The amount wasted is a function of "fighting gravity longer".  If you have TWR of 1.5 or so, then the vertical approach is way less efficient.  With TWR greater than 3 the amount wasted is very small.  

  6. I was playing KSP again recently and I remark how easy it is to leave Kerbin's SOI going straight vertical the whole way.  Launching at dawn ( for which there is a convenient warp) has a near optimal trajectory for increasing the solar apoapsis, conversely dusk launches go closer to the sun.  To optimize the angle you just have to go a little west to offset the initial planetary spin.  Generally speaking, I think it works out to close to the same dV to escape Kerbin's SOI with or without orbiting first.  Maybe somebody has the calculations.  The vertical approach is easier than orbiting, not that the latter is difficult, but the former lets you get away with much sloppier designs like using lots of SRBs or having more aerodynamic drag in the nose.

    Do you think the vertical launch approach is a good one to take in reality? 

    I was thinking the shuttle and SLS style SRB's are a really good value, then use 8 of them and take the vertical approach.  

    Or maybe the problem is wanting everything to land in the ocean...?

     

     

  7. Real Estate would become scarce and extremely expensive.  The most beautiful ranches never go up for sale anyway, they pass down through families.  Under immortality the best pieces of real estate stay in the same hands forever and never go on the market.   Meanwhile the TV will be full of home improvement shows to confuse the working class about the value of buildings (which always go down in value) vs land (which goes up).  

    A percentage of people would decide it's better to live on a boat than on land.  But, marina space is limited so most people can't afford it.  So new services will deliver supplies to boat people wherever they happen to be, just like now you can order so many things delivered to fixed address.  

  8. What do you call electrothermal propulsion?  You could run a kilopower reactor as primarily an electric generator then run tungsten heating elements with hydrogen propellant.  It would still be combined cycle, as the waste heat from the reactor would warm the cryogenic propellant into a warm gas before running it though the primary heating element in the nozzle.  Would some sort of ion drive be better?

  9. External combustion can be very efficient in terms of energy, it just tends have a lot of mass and volume.  Stationary power plants, and still some cargo ships use steam turbines.  

    Many locomotives are hybrid electric.  Electric drive, (external) diesel generators.  

    I wonder if you could trickle a tiny amount of antimatter into an RTG like case and get a steady few kilowatts of electric power?

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