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I had written a response to this with the parts of the document that clearly state that this isn't going anywhere, but at this point it's also clear that the few of you that seem to think this has any merit will carry on regardless. Have fun with this silliness but it isn't going to give you the closure you are all looking for and it isn't going to achieve anything that you all think it will other than giving you a momentary distraction from the anger you feel.

This is all fantasy and it has nothing to do with being a member of the bar, like that has any standing on anything anyway - I could be in the criminal justice system and have no idea about corporate, or consumer law, or health and safety law and so on. As a lay person, I see it that in this type of situation you have to be able to show that you have lost out, that you were effectively tricked into handing over your money and none of you can. Not one of you can say that you were misled - you can complain all day long that you believed the hype and the future promises, that you were impressed by the optimism of the team, and felt assured by the AAA title backing the game but that's on you. That isn't the reality of the situation. The reality is that they were legally open and honest about it being early access everywhere you bought it, the advertising all said early access and what that means, and they can show they warned you, every time you purchased it, every time you played it, with the EULA that you agreed to. You may not like this feeling. Maybe you're one of those that think that if you skip past the agreement that you will be able to argue that you didn't really read it. That's not how it works and this is why there is no consumer protection element to this. They tried to protect you. They gave you ample warnings. You accepted the risk. None of you can say that you didn't. I also don't believe that any judgement will imply that companies should continue working on a product that they have deemed not to be viable just because some customers felt aggrieved. It happens all the time. What if all the VHS owners could have forced companies to keep producing tapes, or mini-discs, or playstation 1 games, or car models from years ago, or old TV models - the examples are endless. I think that this is a complete waste of time is because at the end of the day you knowingly paid for a game that was early access and it hasn't made it to a final version which you knew might happen BUT you can still keep playing the game so you haven't lost out. They haven't taken it away from you. They haven't taken it off you. You can play it all day for as long as you want for ever. It just won't get developed any more. You have your product that you paid for, it just isn't what you hoped it to be. You wasnt misled. You havent lost out. So what is a court going to do?

Even the OP liked this comment. Maybe common sense is prevailing....

Your analogy isn't right. KSP2 wasn't the new ford truck that got shelved. It was the concept car that Ford said, "we're planning on making a new car and it will be great, BUT we're not sure it will make it to production so if you want to put a deposit down you can but if it fails to make it to production you won't get your money back". You said that's ok, I belive you that it will be great. And then when it failed you lost your money. Ford wouldn't be giving that money back now would they?

Of course and I don;t deny that but I don't feel bad. I just backed a bad horse. I'll survive.

It's all about entitlement. There is clearly the feeling of being entitled to get the 1.0 game because someone said so, completely ignoring the fact that it was early access and you, and me, all thought the gamble was worth it. What do investors do when they back a business idea and it fails even when those looking for investment said it would work. What do gamblers do when they back a horse and it doesn't win even though the trainers and promoters said it would? What do all the other EA game studios do when the games are canned? If they could face legal action they wouldn't do it. It's not true at all! They said it was early access. They don't need to say, truly early access, they don't need to pinky promise it, or put a cherry on top. It was early access. Thats all there was to it. Just because they bigged themselves up has nothing to do with it.

I bought KSP2 just because it was KSP2 and it looked like it would be good. I knew nothing about the developers, or the company. I don't follow that sort of stuff. If a game looks good and I have the money I'll give it a go. I didn't understand how multiplayer would have worked, but I wasn't planning on playing it multiplayer so that didn't matter to me either.

Why do you? Because some post somewhere said that they had the funding? So what. Do you think companies arent allows to change direction, change staff, change priorities, deal with economic changes, chose to cut costs, close departments, all because they said they were going to do something? They are not obligated to provide you with anything with Ksp2. They haven't lied about the product you bought. It was clearly early access. It was labelled as such. It is mentioned all the time. You accepted the risks that it entails when you handed over your money. You are not entitled to anything. This post is the funniest thing ever. I'll do a deal with you, if you manage to get people's money back, then you can have mine. If you don't however, you can pay me the money I paid for the game.

I don't know how all this works in America but I don't see anyway that this will achieve anything. It was an early access game that has failed. You knew it was early access. You knew what that meant, so you knew it might fail or stop being supported. You gambled. You lost. Imagine what this would do with the whole industry if this was even possible. How could any judge, or whatever you have in America that would look at this, find that a company has to complete and support all the projects it starts, especially when they have been clear that it was early access and might fail? This is ridiculous.

I wont give this game another penny

KSP2 was being fully developed until it wasn't... I guess that the forums and Discord are for the KSP franchise as a whole which still makes some money and so could remain open even if there is no longer any development in KSP2.

It failed due to over promising and under delivering by the studio. It's as simple as that. I think I read that KSP2 has been going for 7 years in total and although the real development only started in the last few years, if anyone can say the release schedule, updates, performance, or anything other than the promotional pieces the studio put out were anything near what they hoped and expected for KSP2, even as an early access, then I would argue that you are some sort of fanboi or similar type. Don't get me wrong, I get it. I paid full price for this too. I watched as it was sold cheaper not long after. I watched as the updates dribbled out. I tried to play it with the bugs - over 360 hours worth of playtime, so not a small amount - all while trying to stay positive, posting threads of the missions that I was doing, reporting the bugs, doing what I was asked to, but it wasn't enough. I conceded to the truth a long time ago because this failed a long time ago.

It was clearly a cash grab as all EA titles are - come and buy our product that is "GOING" to be cool and be one of the first to support it yadda yadda. They 'grab' the early 'cash' and put it in to the development fund. Whether it made a profit or not is a different question completely and doesnt have any bearing on whether it was a cash grab or not, that would only indicate if it was a succesful cash grab. I have no idea if KSP2 was a succesful cash grab but I would say not or we wouldn't be discussing the tings we all are today.

Well I'm out. There's no point suggesting anything as it won't be listened to. This is only EA in that it was released before being ready. The rest of the typical EA process is being ignored. There's no point submitting the same bug reports because they'll only work on what they deem necessary and not on others. Even if the community are asking for things repeatedly. There's no point having any opinion other than positive or they'll just delete it. Especially as they've heard it all before. There's no point trying to challenge these decisions as they'll just delete that too because censorship is better than change. There's no point me even posting this as they'll probably delete it too. I've waited a long time for a full price game that has not delivered and shows little sign of being what I expected anyway. My initial excitement and optimism has gone. Excellent work development team and moderators. Game uninstalled.

My apologies, by wobbly rockets, I meant the rockets that start wobbling on the launch pad and then explode and then a relaunch fixes it. @herbal space program in the post above is proof taht this is still happening. As for @The Aziz needing to sigh, I never meant for that guy to fix it but your stalwart defense of KSP2 does not go unnoticed. To be fair to that guy though, it's great that his team has time to play around and spend time on a pointless, miniscule addition. Maybe if more of the game was ready, like the colony parts or new parts or terrain or lighting on the supposed new planets etc, They would have some more worthwhile tasks to oversee. The point I was clearly making was that as a whole, the studio should be working towards fixing the small things that have a big impact, not this waste of time.