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Wonderous no-one mentioned the reentry on the end of the movie. A ship so heavely damaged going into the atmosphere in a wrong angle, so heavy beaten up and still could make such a soft near perfect water landing, and get out and swin to the coast, and WALK normally after beeing in space a while. So funny of all the modern movies, only an handfull have the mechanics right.. Most amazingly, i was watching a few feeks ago 2001 a Space Odessy again, for a movie made before we even went to the moon, that movie was pretty correct compared to most modern SciFi movies on its mechanics as well, in an era space was still in its infancy state. (still hard to watch it to the end without falling asleep :-) )

I can leak a secret... brb biocall... oh wait, you ment a other kind of leaking secret, sorry i dont know..

Holy ......... You sir.. earned my deepest respect, now that second one is a beautifull beast.. I pray for you it takes of without a hitch

Kerbals are plantbased lifeforms (as is often theorised) is hereby i think proven. Since Vegetables with some efford can be compressed a factor 3 to 10 depending a bit on it structure. We all know, Kerbals are hollow, so with some efford you can squeeze them pretty much up to a very tiny compact package. You only need to be carefull in how you package them, you dont want to fold them diagonally over their structure, but along this. Squeezing them into that tiny capsule, and getting them out as a whole and alife, proves to the world, you figured out who to fold them correctly, Congratz on this scientific breakthrough even if it was by accident and not intentional. But then, the greatest inventions often where not intentional, so you can join the illusive compagny here of briljant minds

Its a brand new PC, it hasnt gotten time yet to gather dust as of this writing, its now 2 weeks old The power supply is an 1000w crossair, to feed 2 power hungry GTX770's also brand new, and the CPU runs at full load a nice 55-60 degrees default, and OC it runs about 60-65 degrees, To battle dust even more, i nicked the panties of the missus, cut them to fit over all rosters in my case, sealing them off for most larger dust particles, making allmost the whole case filtered. And since its only KSP that has this isseu and other pretty heavy games that stress this PC to its limits (Watchdogs on Ultra, Xrebirth) dont give a hitch. If it was a heating issue, then i would notice it other stuff too.. All by All, i think i gone to extreme lenghts to make this new PC as clean and powerfull as i could with the best stuff i could afford (hell my old PC lasted 11 years, so i thought i earned a bit of extra goodies on this one ) But you completely right, Dust is a killer for PC's, but i have some expertise on that part and how to combat a spotless eviroment. I builded several Datacentre's so i know a thing or two bout filtering.. Still thanks for the reply..

Its just paint, a rocket flies just fine with a bad hair... errm paintjob.. Now what IS an issue, and one i am about to rage over, is the floating landing gear on some tank parts. Thats a serious issue people, how can we land any vehicle safely if the gear float in front of them. THis is totally against safety regulations, and i think we should hold the developers, for this responsible. Our Kerbals allready take Huge risks here, and now we impose even a greater risk upon them as nessesairy, just because someone at HQ is to lazy to redo the mountplating of the landinggear. Maybe after some lawsuit they finnaly will listen and fix this huge risk to the health of our beloved Kerbal. As 0.24.2 shows us, Funds is what makes things tick, so removing Funds by lawsuit should get the attention this problem needs, and for that fund we can compensate the Kerbals who suffernt injuries or worse due catastrophic landinggear failures..

i've been toying with Mods, somehow i had a huge problem, with KSP dissapearing suddenly, without leaving any noteworthy comment in the logfile on what or who the culprit was, and most mods i am running, i consider "must haves" and i just didnt want to play the game without these.. The problem i encountered was with TAC/KSO/KAS combined, each one induvidual worked just fine, but as soon i used all 3 at once, the game crashed. To make things even more complex, running my KSP with all the mods on a different PC, worked just fine, no problems at all, so yeah, that was a kind of brainbreaker to solve.. Painstakingly reinstalled from Vanilla KSP, mods one by one, and all seem to work, till i installed the last one, KSO with its huge memory usage, and wham, KSP unloaded again from memory.. I checked on KSP memory usage, but that was still within the 4GB range and even had memory to spare, so it seemed. On my old PC that i replaced for this brand new i7-4820k on a MSI X79 board ran these same mods just fine, but this new PC, i just coudnt get to the launchpad, so i really was getting stumped.. So last night i gave it a new shot, downloaded to be certain every mod anew, and again reinstalled every one and bit of them, updating mods within mods like firesplitter and smokescreen and such as well, and it all kept going well, then the final mod that seemed to cause all troubles, KSO.. And wham, KSP unloaded as soon i entered launchpad, ok this is driving me completly nuts i thought, i gonna quit KSP for a while, been at this for over a week now.. But alas, i just coudnt let it go, so i started to shift through parts, removing unneeded ones, and more of that kind of fiddling, and all to no prevail, so yeah, i could have opted to leave KSO out ofc, but dang it, i allways used it, and didnt wanted to give up.. And i was about to start pestering Helldiver for KSO when i tried one more thing, KSO in TAC out, and KSP loaded just fine.. Ok, so my thought TAC doesnt work with KSO, but i had read it did, so WTH is going on.. Then i remembered i OC'd my PC, but he, it coudnt be, couldt it.. nah.. i coudnt believe the OCing was the culprit, all other games ran just fine, but something told me i had to try.. So i turn the OC button off (my mainboard comes with a OCGenie button, that OC's your PC with a press of a button) and started KSP, with all the mods, including TAC/KSO and it worked.. But i cheered a tat too soon again, after beeing halfway in the atmosphere KSP again unloaded from memory, now foam was starting to appear in my mouth, man i started to get really pissed off and confused, is this an hardware issue, an KSP bug or some mod that acting up.. I coudnt tell anymore.. So i left it all alone and went doing something else, i had it for that moment with KSP.. Now comes the most freakist and weirdest part, the next day i just started KSP again up, and it loaded just fine, could even do some missions, and occasionally maybe with 2 or 3 hours play KSP still suddenly unloads from memory, but alas.. I can play the game at least now.. Still puzzled what this might cause KSP spontaniously to unload, while having more as sufficient memory (with all mods, KSP is just 3GB using of the 16GB ram in this PC) my CPU is more as capable of handling KSP (hell if my old Q6600 could, then this i7 should not even break sweat so to speak) and KSP hardly makes much use of my GPU's. so to today i'm still wondering what is causing this.. Unloading still happens occasionally, it only happens with KSP + mods, but no mod on its own gives a issue, nor in combination of some suspects i had. The Joys of Mods and an unpredictable issue that doesnt make any sence

i tried it, and i must say you have something here, but it has some quircks, that makes using this kinda hard and confusing.. When you have engaged a "Trim" to lets say a left turn, with Pitch,yaw,Roll applied in the turn, thus your plane is banked, (roll) and want to go back level turn turning roll back to the right, the plane starts to make a barrelroll to the left, dispite your hitting hard Right.. Only solvable thing is, smash Z... Same is with Pitch, when the "trim" is enabled and for example you have a -5 Pitch, and want to level again or climb, bad luck Up only way is down... I know hitting Z is resetting it, and you then can manouvre the other direction, but still it does makes things hard to fly again.. Now you dont battle a wobble over sencitive returning to centre control (what is allready making this mod GREAT, dont get me wrong) But now you must try to remember even in those OHH CRAP moments where you just do something in order to save a bad manouvre, to smash Z after every input, what makes flying this in crappy moments imho even worse as flying without it. As long things go smooth and straight... This mod is a godsend gift.. Ofc not sure is this is a kind of limitation, or just an oversign with making the mod.. And its not as you stated how FSX works as well, yeah the sticky part is, but not the reset after each input Still as WIP with some tweaks this could be a godssend gift to all those who fly KSP with KB..

Sweet J.... those look awesome.. Pity you missed your own deadline, but alas allready glad and very happy that this is in the making.. When its finnally there, i prolly WIL feel like a little kid again that just gotten a new present

That thing is just adorable And i Love the Banana

Smokescreen and RPM comes with KSO, and i have the latest KSO installed, but it is entirely possible that a modder of a bigger mod that makes use of other mods to function are packaged not with the most resent updates of that other mod. Same counts for Firesplitter and such, some mods listed are installed partionally as part of a other mod. Allready updated some of those that allready had a warning that they where outdated, but not those that seemingly worked fine.

0.8, 0.9 and 0.10 all have the same issue for me, KSP crashes as soon i enter the VAB when TAC Lifesupport is installed. Removing the mod, and KSP runs just fine here. I've examined the output_log.txt thats created on crashing, but it hardly reveals any relevant information, only line that vaguely shows an issue is the last 2 lines in the log I cant find any further info in any log file that could show what issue might be causing this. Now i do run a number of mods : at might be an conflict, not certain, havent done yet a one by one mod test to see with what mod the issue starts For now i just leave TAC for what it is, pity though..

I'm not going to say that i understand the article completly, some there are some parts of it, i barely can comprehent, but as far i can, we can detect the outcome of such white hole phenomena, but due the distortion of space time, as the acticle say, the transformation of an black-hole to an white hole takes milliseconds, but the distortion of the space/time make the event for the outside observer look like its there for trillion of years. Can it so then be possible while we can mesure the radiaton of such an event, but we cannot observe it due the distorion, not even detect it, due to the extreme streching of time in these events, an milisecond event strechted over trillion of years, is something i doubt can make any mesurements on with our current technoligy. Most intreaging part of it, was the collapsing of the universe part, as i said in a other topic, with the ever extending universe in trillions of years if it doesnt stop expansing in an keep accellerating, everything is so distant it eventurally all dies off, and leaving an empty void with just only back holes in it. So with this in mind, i allready am thinking, what IF that is the moment that the white hole event is triggered, spewing all the matter out, this yeah creating the big bang. With that again in mind, i start to believe that with knowing that black holes are numberous in the universe, in time all expanding into void, the big bang(the white hole thus) spewing its matter out of nothing,creates thus an reborn universe with all the other events, what again with explain how the Big Bang could expand so fast it had to exceed lightspeed to expand that fast, because there where at that particulair moment in time it all was triggered at once. There are prolly flaws in what i think as huge as an black hole, but the whole article made me rethink on alot of questions on creation.

I came along this article on Nature, and to fully understand it, i had to read it a couple of times and still i might to reread certain alineas of it still, but i found it pretty intreging since i allways had one thing nagging about them. But if this theory is actually true, it might be just that what i thought was missing.. http://www.nature.com/news/quantum-bounce-could-make-black-holes-explode-1.15573 Whats on the other end of the blackhole, the wormhole theory somehow allways found far fetched, and i just coudnt let go where all the matter go, except adding to the mass of the blackhole, making it stronger and more infinite. With this in mind it give an whole new persective dont you think..

Well, somehow i never got mine pulled in time, and this ruined my other moalers, and had them removed on a later age, i have an small narrow jaw, and my wisdom teeths litterly pushed my teeth to an breaking point, and removing them at my older age, was a nighmare.. Thanks to that dentist i have now an couple of fake teeth and a lifetime fobia from dentists

Finnally someone who understands it.. i been saying all along most here see a long life, an no growing old but still able to die as of unnatural cause as immortal, my professor in philosophy had once an lecture on this topic, and made clear everything that can die, regradless the way death is introduced in the organism, its still mortal, hence i keep saying most here are mixing up Immortality for an prolonged life. The word immortal means unable to die, by any causes, thus an immortal beeing wil life on forever, and that my friends in indead a might long time, since you would go on even after things end.. And nature as an grand whole will end. In our short existance an million years might seems an enternal long time, and we "might" see this as an immortal lifespan, but still it isnt. our scientist allready speculate that life can sproud in the most extreme places, and speculate if life is for example possible in extreme cold places the metabloism of such creates is ussumable very low, thus they could theoretically have and extreme long lifetime compared to our humans. Maybe even an million years, still they are mortal. On earth as far i have payed enough attention to my biology classes tree's (they are a lifeform, abeit not an sentient one) has the longest lifespan of all living organisms, still they die.. In the end everything will die, from scentient beeings to plants, to planets and stars. Even atoms and neutrons have a certain lifespan. Its a kind of saveguard to keep the foundation of life in order, and thats is that life is based on the concept of death and rebirth. As hal say you guys may speak on teh first form of immortality never beeing able to die of old age, but still able of dying of other influences is not true immortality, but still an prolonged lifespan, an unnatural long lifespan even, but not immortality. I never said i dont think the first is impossible, hence i also believe we can create an prolonged lifespan, but true immortality is impossible to archieve, there are just to many safeguards that will prevent this.. And even so, IF we have the knowledge in time to even to eliminate those, thus you cannot die by any means, you will start to live till the end of time, till there is nothing left, and you start to wish you could die, but alas, you cant, since you are immortal, you lived through everything that the universe has thrown at you, planets, galaxies and even the universe itself has ended, and you are still there, and you cannot end you lonely miserable life at that point anymore, since you archieved immortality as human beeing. If we are transent into a enerylike beeing, we arent human anymore, not just a new evolved version of man, like cro-magnon or Homo Erectus (neanthaler i think was an subcatagory of man, and not part of our lineage of homo-sapiens) but a whole new race. But in you're example it must mean that we must have multiverses, or you cannot escape the dying universe.. On that regard i personally believe that even universeres are part of an lifecycle, and universe is born (big bang) and it eventually fade into nothing, due the Big stretchs theory what we currently think is the most realistic view since we atm we still see everything expand in an exponentional rate, till everything has drifted so far apart, that as an whole the universe ceases to exist, galaxies will die off, and in the end we just have empty space loaded with blackholes where onces galaxies where. Granted we speak here over billion, maybe trillion years, for us short living beeings an timeperiond we cannot even comprehent, but dispite i would like as most here have a long life, thats an future i dont want to be around if thats happens. And i doubt we can make an machine powerfull enough to prevent an universe from dying, we only know how big the universe is, due the fact we can only see as far light has traveled to the point we are in the universe. But scientist allready theorise the universe could be alot bigger, much bigger. Clues that is might be the case allready lies in the origin of the big bang, we currently think light is the speedlimit, while they have calculated the creation of the universe in time of the Big Bang had to have to exceed this speed limit by a factor unknown. So its if this theory is true, the universe might be even ALOT bigger as we can observe, and its allready uncomprehencive big, and i doubt its possible to manipulate something that is uncomprehencive large that has forces in it, that can obliterate any form of life in miliseconds. And for you as immortal enery based beeing, i hope the theory of an multiverse is correct, otherwise you become an cloud of energy in a huge vastness of void. Welcome to eternal oblivion

And who gives us that right, we ourself, because we feel its our right.. Thats like saing i'm superious to you, so i have every right to dominate you, because i'm superiour thus you have to obey my view.. This attitude allready have been reason for many wars on earht, because one party thought they had the right.. You statement is exactly why i call this way of thinking vain, advancement and progression sure, i never said i oppose that, but i only am hearing as arguments on the short term, and sorry to say, i hear only arguments that are short term perks.. I havent seen anyone here yet even consider what true immorality will behold.. Is nonestatements of its our right and obligation to put nature to our hands.. Without even making me think some here can grasp the concept of what Immorality really upholds.. Read my previous post.. its a point none touches but me.. you really want to life an timespan that you cannot even comprehent to a point there is nothing left to life for, since everything has perisched.. Since noone that feels we have the right to become immortal have answered that particulair question. And every form of immortality that doesnt imply you life till the end of time, is still morality.. Hence i said several times, i think alot here mix up a prolonged lifespan with Immorality.. sorry to say, it even proves to me a bit, that the concept what true immortality is even to hard to comprehent, since we cannot grasp such a long time, and are vain enough to think we can.. Again you'r mixing advanced ment and harnassing the power of nature up, with controlling it, you only think of small scale manipulation, as even stated this nature as a whole.. i wish we could life as long to this point, because we will persich before we reached such power, and everyone that perisch, isnt immortal. What again i have to say, arent you mixing a prolonged life up again with immortality but it is yours, why is it that its your right to claim its our right to become immortal, nature have proven in many cases, that even will all our awesome technoligy er have today, with our lasers and atomic bombs and spacecrafts and computers, we still cannot even predict the weather.. we cannot still control our little dot, matter of fact, nature has the power to wipe all of us away tomorrow in a whimp.. and thats just our small planet itself. I dont mean to insult you, but i dont know how to state it better, i doubt you want to grasp or can grasp my point what immortality is, and that it is unnatural because immortality doesnt exist in nature, and keep mixing an prolonged life up with immortality, and as i said see some small dabbling with a few localized stars, couple of planets and maybe a few blackholes as controlling nature as indead something we will be doing in a few centuries, maybe one or two millenia, i stated this allready a few times. Again sorry to say i not gonna repeat my own post over and over again because you and few others overread the part in where i try to make my point clear and start to discuss the little things, in a manner like its the grand whole. Hence i am sorry that i feel you dont want to grasp, or cannot grasp it. I dont disagree with you, or the others on most parts, i just dont believe in immortality nor that we ever will fully control nature.. at best we can manipulate it, no matter how advanced or how prolonged lifespan we have, in the end nature will keep contolling us.. I have writting my views clearly enough and repeated myself several times, its my view and my believe that man is becoming to vain for its own good the moment we think we can control nature in all its aspects, since we never really will be able to.. Nature is just too big to be fully controlled (and to clarify, the universe is part of nature, not just the flowers and the bees, i said in an previous post, i see nature as everthing, again i admit, its so big even its hard to grasp even for those who make an living out of it to study it all, hence prolly even harder to grasp for us mere mortals, pun intended )

Erm, immortality is as unnatural as it gets. As i explained, we live in a universe where everything has a certain timelimit, even our beloved blue dot its days are allready numbered, its calculated that earth is going to loose its moon, we know our sun is at half of its lifespan, the days of our galaxy are numbered, and as far studies goes, with the constant accelleration that galaxies are having, and if it woudnt slow down, all the lights in the sky goes out.. If somehow we found a new place to stay after the sun swallowed earth, and sat there with our immortal lives till this all happends, and you see an pitch black sky all alone, you prolly wish you never would have been immortal, everything has died of.. But you are hopefully still there, enjoying the silence of everything around you beeing dead.. nature is the constant cycle of life and rebirth.. Not some artificial induced manner to keep on living till there is nothing left to live for.. But i doubt most here (including myself) cannot even grasp the concept of real immorality till the end of time, since we are talking of a time that is longer even as atm time itself, an timespan longer as even life on earth exists, since that what it means to reach immortality, its like saying you can grasp the concept in how large the universe is, and grasp the concept of everything in it.. I dont want to sound insulting, but grasping the concept of immortality is beyond the capacity of our brains, its as i said like saying you can comprehent the vastness of the universe, even the brightest astronomers that study the universe for a living admit that cannot even grasp it.. Like every human alive, we are just infants toying with an idear, we have utterly no concept of what we all are even talking about.. True immortality is as unnatural as it gets.. And to even slightly think we can place us above nature with all our technoligy and future knowledge and technoligy i find personally the most vain thing someone can say, and makes us imho exactly the reason the human race cannot and should not reach true immortality. In an universe that doomed to die from the day it originated even the most advanced species will perisch eventually.. At best we can manipulate nature, make it a bit more habitable and comfortable, to even to think that we ever will truly control it... Maybe we can prolong our life to a few hundred or maybe an millennia or two, IF we are lucky we can put a few planets to our hands, harnass a few stars, with some luck we can manipulate space/time and MAYBE a small really small MAYBE we might be able to harness the power of an blackhole... But truly control nature.. Sorry thats just vain and utterly insanity to think any species would ever be able to.. If you just would take a bit time to grasp even an small part of the grand whole that we are part of, and take into consideration what we really know, and how huge and powerfull nature is... You will have to agree with me.. full control is an vain illusion.

i dont have KSP on steam, but i assume if there isnt an default like yet for the X64 client directly in steam, you allways can add it by the add game option in steam, and add the x64 client manually to steam..

We have the wisdom teeth still as the jaw of earlier man was alot bigger, in time our jaws evolved smaller in size, but the wisdom tooth growth is still there. Due the size of our smaller jaws the growing of that moaler can cause extreme pressure in our jaws that will break the other tooths its glaziers. But slowly more cases are known by dentists that these moalers doesnt appear in some patients, thus is you can allready assume our tooths are also now cathcing up with the evolving smaller jaws.. I a few decades the more people evoled to a point they dont posses the gene that make this moaler grow is gone.. Like someone earlier said, we still evolving and changing by the day, only its a very slow process that is hardly noticable in one lifetime, but over several generations things will be alot more noticable.. In my hometowns there is a good example of humans evolving, there are still some houses here that date from the 1500's (in this case its an old tavern in Amsterdam), most modern people cannot stand upright there anymore.. Man have grown much taller in the last 600 years, and if you look around with an keen eye, you prolly will see more differences with man of several decades ago to present man, fast forward a couple of generations and the difference between us an those later generations become more noticable as well.. I also remember some tales of a certain brittisch king (forgot wich one) that was for his day a tall guy (around 1.80) and was an exception, nowerdays 1.80 is more an rule as an exception. All part of evolution..

Sorry to burst you're bubble, but nearly every country in the world has some form of censorship and propaganda in the mainstream media, in many western countries this censorship isnt directly noticable, while in other countries (IE China/Russia) its pretty obvious as soon you have acces to unrestricted acces to the internet, and are able to watch as far as possible uncensored reports. My country allways was proud on its freedom of speech and liberal laws, but of late we notice more and more signs of censorship and propaganda, some newsites if you are too critical at some hot news topics, you postings get erased or your account gets banned and at some topics you notice that bring the news at such manner that you can speak of pure propaganda and moodmaking. Some newspapers here grab every opportunity to twist around any reporting into some form of moodmaking, even happens last few days in the Airplance dissaster in the Ukraine.. Its everywhere, and if you want unbiased news, you have to go out yourself to find it and make your own conclusions.. And this happens nowerdays everywhere, without exception. Sadly its the world we live in atm..

Correct me if i'm wrong i was allways under assumption that the allies captured an engima device from a german uboat and managed to keep this from the germans, and with this device they cracked the code, and could intercept and decipher all the communications.

There are some antenna's that can be hazardous to your health, but these are mostly focused narrow beams that are aimed at the next tower, used only on high masts far up in where in normal circumstances no person can reach them, the antenna's of mobile phone towers that link the recievers to each other for roaming are operating on those frequencies (the round things on the towers as shown on this image) But they have to be turned off if some maintance worker/egnineer has to do work on that mast, mostly due as the above poster said, these attennea transmits on frequencies that are near microwavelenght, and could potentionally boil the water that is in your body if your exposed to long directly in this beam. But as you can see, putting yourself directly into this beam, would need you to do some crazy stuntwork even to do so Not a sane normal person would even do so.

The difference, in one case they die even after beeing cures, the second, they never die of old age. I think there is an difference, ofc prolonging life expentency is not an issue and isnt immortality, like you mentioned there are lifeforms on earth that outlive a human, and i dont see an issue with a prolonged life, but true immortality, and i mean thus living really till the end of time, i doubt the human can cope with such a time.. Eternity is really a pretty long time, and as far i understand it, true immortality doesnt exist. So why do you want to archieve this, in an universe that will come to and end. Like i said above, i'm not against an prolonged life expentancy, in case you see an longer lifespan as immortality, then we are allready doing so, as you said, a not even so long ago average age was 40, i think its atm now somewhere around 70, with exceptions to past 100.. So yeah we allready doing this, still atm going any older well the body just cant cope with it and slowly shuts down.. To archieve a even longer life we have to change on cellulair level and create some treatment for cellulair degradation and slow aging down, still it only means we prolonged life for lets say a other 100 years.. still even then we arent immortal, but just a longer life.. I dont oppose this at all, and i do believe that this is genuine our future.. But Immortality... true immortality again, my appologizes if i sound blunt, and to quote Prince here, "Eternally is a mighty long time" and forever in an universe that will die off.. i dont think i want to be around by then.. it might become very lonely.. Again i make the distinct difference between an long life, and immortality.. And somehow i start to assume some here see a long life as immortality, but when someone mention to me immortality i think of indead true immortality, not a lifespan of lets say 1000 to 5000 years or so, but really true immorality.. Other species didnt archieve longer lifespans artificially, but evolution created circumstances for them to have a long life expentancy, just like we humans have a longer life expentancy as our anchestors.. We are still even to day evolving, just like any other lifeform. And i said earlier, if we archieve immortality by natural evolution, well then its naturall evolved, in this hypothesis of the topic, we artificial create an means to archive it, imho there is an distinct difference between that.. Again i dont mean an prolonged life expentancy, but true immortality. I partionally agree, yes in certain area's its absolute true to a certain point, it also shows how humanity deals with this kind of responsebility, and you call me cruel, no the human race is cruel to itself, ok you might call this natural selection, but ermm wait a second, didnt i just get burned by you on holding tight on natural order.. Wow i stepped on a really slippery road here.. one that will condradict the other. And dispite our good healthcare, knowledge of DNA, gene, etc etc.. we still encounter new deseases each day, only way we deal with these threats and we dont see people dying by outbreaks like we had in the past nowerdays, is we know well enough how to isolate them.. But irradicating them, we with all our knowledge still cant do, wasnt there an resent outbreak of Ebola again, or the spanish flue a few years back, while we thought a long time we had irradicated those.. Guess we where wrong even with our very good healthcare.. We still are at the mercy of life itself, all our knowledge on healthcare is still not capable of elimitating those threats.. Ok, granted some things we have eliminated, or are on the firge to eliminate them.. but i dare to bet nature has alot of aces up her sleeve to throw at us.. I never said they should die, i said if the population is preproducing at the current rate, but deathrate goes way down even to zero, then we will die, in time in this scenario there will be to many people, this will result in area's of huge foodshortages bigger even as we have today. Allready fishing grounds are dimisching, fertile agriculural ground are getting rarer due saltification, and new area's for agriculture have to be obtiained to feed the ever increasing demand for food.. Brighter minds as you and i are allready struggling to solve the issue, and are running against walls, geneticly engineerd food is allready an topic that is heavy debated, and with an immortal population these issues just will get even bigger and bigger. Take also into consideration how the human psyche works, and if there are in an overpopulated world where hunger is driving people, what we allready see on smaller scale today, projected in a ever growing population in wich noone dies of aging, and stay young forever, well you call me cruel, but TBH you are the cruel one here, since you are steering towards an war scenario that well.. i dont wanna think about even.. Deathtolls will be insane in wars the world ever have seen yet.. And you call me cruel to let things over to nature and leave it up to evolution.. Thats twisted imho.. And dont tell me in the future people will change, in that manner in 100.000 years the Homo-sapiens havent changed much, and i doubt we will ever change even, its in our nature, survival of the fittest some would say... And with this we come to your next point.. here we arrive at the sollution issue, and yes like you say, we getting on a really slippery road here, as i mentioned above food supplies allready dictates who is rich and who is poor, who has to eat and who doesnt.. Now imagine the rich who could also afford this artificial immortality and also the food supply over the poor who dont have food nor the means to gain immorality.. So we getting to that thing you burned me for earlier, Natural order ande natural selection, survival of the fittest, rich against poor, the rich who deside the faith of the poor.. We slowly now going towards an world i dont want to live in, nor even would want to be part off.. Who desides who lifes of dies, who just life a normal life and dies of old age and who becomes immortal. Artificial Immortality like i said will open an can of worms, or even an pandora's box that cannot be closed again, but certainly will become our undoing, simple history allready shown examples of this, and i dont have enough faith in the human race to think we ever will change in that manner, and even so this is then the world you burned me for earlier, people deside who lifes or die, and in an way its the natural order of things.. the strong ones will overcome the weaker ones.. Without natural death the population just will grow in time to big differences will become a too large food will become even more scarse in certain areas and just sufficient in others, the poor have to make even more space for the richer who just keep multiplying to the point that the weaker richer ones join the poor ones again, and the human race proved in time enough that this is the ingriedent for some serious war... Still you can agrue that this is happening today as well, i cannot deny that.. its true its even the scenario we life in today, but immoratlity is then an added factor that could be that Pandora's box, and we have a serious change too annialate ourselfs, and you call me cruel for letting nature run its course, even though with some manupulation to prolong our life.. To strive for an better and longer life isnt the issue but a worthy goal, archiving better healthcare is an noble cause, but reaching true immortality by artificial means, i see that as pure evil.. an path that never should be archieved.. I said earlier that i consider even technoligy as something natural, we evolve into more advanced and intelligent beeings, and the use of tools is an sign of intelligence that evolves naturally, and thus i see the use of our intelligence to make better tools as natural as an bird feeding its young. And is what i mean, part of the natural order.. Again just plain ol boring evolution.. I think the confusion here lies in old believes and modern believes, and yeah it might be hard to see the difference, just like 500 years ago claiming the world was round could lead you to the burningstakes, while today we see it as a normal part of nature that the world is round, and we arent the centre of the universe anymore, still even with this advanced knowledge of how things work we still are part of nature, arent we, dispite we can launch rockets to the moon, and even theoretically can allready life with help of technology life on a other planet, does that mean we arent part of nature anymore ?? I beg to differ here, we still are part of it, regardless of our technolocal knowledge of things, TBH the understanding of this all, even made me think more like i do now and even see us more part of the grand whole that is nature, as i did before i knew of this.. Because simple said, immortality doesnt not exist in nature, a long lifespan yes, but true immortality is unnatural, nothing lasts forever, not even the universe.. everything in time will die, and reborn. To place yourself out of this natural order, is to try to become the so called allmighty god.. Not the godlike feel you discribe of acient man meets advanced man, but i mean the mythical God half of the world worships.. this is imho borderline insanity And here we come to the conclusion, only middle ground would be an prolonged lifespan, and i havent said anywhere i oppose a prolonged lifespan, this still means we will keep aging again, something i beeing saying all along, but this discussion goes over immortality originally, and thats a complete different thing, that i keep trying to make clear, but somehow i feel people keep mixing a prolonged life up with immortality.. I see a huge distinction between the two. Well, depends on the way i am going ofc, when my body is so old, i cant do anything anymore, and starts to shut down of old age, i prolly embrace death, i have know enough older people who felt the same way.. They felt their time was up, and saw death not to be feared, but to embrace, staying alive was for them the thing they feared at that point, and i cannot place an age on to this point, if i even look at my own parents, my dad died at 65, he was so ill and weak, he didnt want to go on.. and he embraced death, my mom is now 89, and still healthy as an lady of her age can be, full of joy in her life, and still running around doing anything she can to enjoy life, thinking of dying isnt even coming to her mind, she still wants to do alot in her years she has. But atm, yeah, i dont give up my life too without screaming and kicking.. way to young for that i think we can agree on that both. Still they arent gods imho, they are just advanced people abusing a lesser intelligent human beeing for their own needs, even they think of me as an god, i'm no god. Even if i prolonged my life absurdly long, i'm no god.. But when i temper with my genepool in such manner i archieve true immortality, i'm still not an god, but an fool that thinks in vain that he has become a god. Why.. Gods dont exsist, that is mythology, and as long science cannot prove to me god exists, i keep saying they dont exsist, but alas thats an complete other discussion and not relevant any further to this one.. so i leave that part for what it is. Anyhow, i appriciate your challenge and your critism.. This is imho an healthy discussion dispite we at points disagree

There is a huge difference in finding a cure for an epedemic desease, or an artificial method to immortality, and i find the reference to this particulair strange, since in the case of an cure for an desease, people still stay mortal, and die of old age. This has nothing to due with beeing cruel, its like saying that i'm cruel because people just die of old age, and mentioning this is cruel. We all know it, we accept it as part of our lives, i never said like you state that i would kill people to keep the population in check, nature allready implemented this, by giving life an timelimit, blunt said, nature regulates this by death. So you statement is in that retrospect illogical, in other words you allready say we are cruel because we cannot make people better to a point we can make them immortal, thus its evil..Sorry to say, i find that remark very.. very strange and illogical and doesnt make any sence at all, since we dont research immorality at all as cure for deseases in an event of a pandemenic, since even IF we find an way to artificial celregeneration, we still would die of deseases as we do today. This also would prove my point that IF we would be immortal, and would fully stop reproducing, we are on the fast track to extinction, even today with all our technoligy and science, we still die of deseases, and new ones deadly deseases still emerge, and old ones evolve to a point we have to consider them as a whole new deasese.. Even deseases are life, and as life even they evolve. Thus an immortal human race without reproduction capability is, doomed even if they are immortal. And thinking now that we would in the far future eliminate any desease, is for me the same as gambling with very low odds to win, i woudnt want to bet my money in that assumption, and also assuming this is what i said a few times, we humans want to believe we placed ourselfs above nature, sadly for us, this is currently an illusion, and i dare to bet it will stay an illusion. To think we could create an immorality that also would make us immune to any desease is i think desillusional, i doubt ever will happen, as i said, even deseases are a form of life, and they evolve, what we can cure today, we need to reexamine to be able to cure it tomorrow.. This is just how things work in life, and has nothing to do with me being cruel, i just dont believe in Utopia, i believe in nature and all it aspects, and nature is cruel, but also tender it can be very ugly but also very beautifull, its the two sides of the same coin, just like life as death is. So TBH i do take a little insult in saying to me i'm cruel to say people will die and should die as nature have done and will keep doing as this is the natural order of all that is alive, and i take the term life in a very generalising way, since you can even consider the universe and all in it as part of life. Even eventually our solorsystem, even our milkyway, and the universe will die.. If believing in this makes me cruel, wel sorry to say, i'm then proud to be cruel, since i believe in the natural order of things, even though i'm a firm believer in science and will we should pursue science in all it facets. Even in researching the possebilty in immortality, but with great precaution, since it opens an can of worms, maybe even Pandora's box.. As i said, unregulated immortality with reproduction has in certain aspects imho an analogy with an Tumor.. And Immortality with no reproduction is the beginning of extinction. Dont get me wrong i wish i would be able to life forever as well, as death isnt really an foresight i'm waiting on, i just realise thinking of such is just disillousional. I can go one for a long time on this.. still i think i made my point clear, immortality shoudnt, or even is an thing you dont want, immortality doesnt exsist, nor it should exist, not when its introduced artificial. If immorality becomes an reality, it should become so by evolution. Not by the vanity of a race of beeings that think they are placed above the grant whole that is nature, its vain to a point we start to to think we are Gods.. Well, this whole debate is fiction, as i said since we are in the realm of SciFi, you could look at stargate, i never stated it as a ScienceFact, and again as i mention above, i doubt even in the future we will ever cure all deaseases, those we cure just get replaced by new ones and evolved ones. IMHO in this people start mixing SciFi and phylosophically issues into sciencefact, and neglecting some fundamental laws that has been present since the dawn of time. It wasnt ment as proof at all, i think you misread the intention here.. just as kinda of easy clarification, an race without reproduction capabilities is doomed.. Unless you think that elimitating past, present and future diseases will be possible, by eliminating diseases from the evolutional ladder. And that, is Science Fiction..