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To get to the OPs question - they would be next to useless in KSP, you think the ion drives give you long burn times? You ain't seen nothin'! According to various papers, as you suggest, there are figures recorded for thrust, they are on the order of what you would expect from a photon drive with a power rating approx 10x higher. That sounds significant but we are talking thrusts on the order of 0.1N/KW If you wanted to exaggerate their performance for use in KSP then they would just take the place of ion drives but without propellant but with higher power requirements. I suppose this could fill a niche, but if you are going to change their performance to suit, then you may as well make a handwavium-powered super drive too. For the record - I remain skeptical as to the significance of the results gathered with respect to Cannae/EM drives, there is still far too little data and far too many anomalies (eg: measured thrust going in the same direction even when unit is turned upsidedown, thrust dissappearing if a battery - instead of an external powersource - is used etc.). My gut says that if it really is an example of previously undiscovered physics, that it ought to have shown up before now, in many areas. For example, relatively recently, non-linear anomalies in Newtons theory of gravitation were discovered that involve force discrepancies orders of magnitude smaller than those purportedly produced by these thrusters, and they were spotted (and taken up by "mainstream science") without controversy. I await more exhaustive research. It is, at least, an interesting mystery as to where these measurements are coming from.

Why would car manufacturers sacrifice profit so that other companies can get more profit? Plus, its not as if oil consumption is dropping or anything...

Heck, if it worked, we would be living in a post-scarcity society...

Scam. Scam scam scam. This would be a violation of the conservation of energy, and the crux of the scam. This one is quite sneaky, as obviously adding more fuel and oxidiser to your combustion will result in some increase in power output. Whether or not this is good for your engine (or even actually true, as it seems like catastrophic engine failure might be a real concern if you just start adding more reactants willy-nilly) or even if it works with any efficiency at all (fuel-air cycles in modern engines are quite finely tuned and are not necessarily friendly to extra stuff in the cylinder.) But of course, even in a best-case scenario, your car is *certain* to consume more energy splitting water into "HHO gas..." than it gains in engine power, simply due to heat loss. And no, there is no fancy way of splitting water into HHO without using the energy required by physical law. My bet is that it *does* do what it says - in that it electrolyses water into hydrogen+oxygen - but I would wager that it just adds some negligible amount of gas to your intake, and benefits are likely a placebo effect. **edit** Ah, I found the focus of the deception - "The flow rate of HHO gas was measured by using various amounts of KOH, NaOH, NaCl (catalysts). These catalysts were added into the water to diminish hydrogen and oxygen bonds and NaOH was specified as the most appropriate catalyst. It was observed that if the molality of NaOH in solution exceeded 1% by mass, electrical current supplied from the battery increased dramatically due to the too much reduction of electrical resistance." Which is completely made up nonsense, which if true, would have immediate and highly obvious effects in a great deal of chemistry.

Reminds me of the time [when very young] I took a random assortment of pills from the medicine cupboard and mixed them all up with water in a jar, you know, for science. First, it made my parents FREAK, understandably, then when my dad opened the jar, the smell made him puke...

RIP, Gene Wilder.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skatole I can confirm that this A) has a very very stong and bad smell, and B) is mostly harmless, may be a skin/eye/lung irritant. If you somehow became covered in it, you'd probably be fine. Im not sure of the particular component used, but I have heard of odourants being used as non-lethal crowd dispersal/area denial agents. Pyridines also smell god-danged awful (from experience) but are quite toxic. **edit** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-lethal_weapon#Scent-based_weapons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malodorant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Me Heh, looks like the idea has been around a while.

My favorite part is the metaphorical hovering camera that provides us with a viewpoint, although it is a little OP.

Ok, ok I surrender! Yes on closer inspection it doesn't sound so hot, its just that riding buses is infuriating in big cities as they almost always have to travel at the speed of the slowest vehicle - usually a bicycle.

I dont see why this should be a given. Agreed, but "game-breaking" is not a strictly defined term, many users would not describe the game as "broken". Your paragraph in the middle Im not sure I agree with at all. You dont take the computer back on the first error, and you dont sue if you do. Otherwise you gonna spend alot of time doin gpaperwork and not much with the computer. I'm not saying I LOVE the condition that KSP is in, I just see it as a good game that needs some polishing. I see developers trying hard to make it better and I see plenty of information and honesty about the whole thing. I also see alot of butthurt folks who made a mistake but cant accept any responsibility. Not pointing any fingers, some complaints are legit. But also it is *how* the complainst are made. PEACE!

No, I straight copy+ pasted it and even in your own statement it was bounded by a comma and a fullstop. So nice try. These things are recorded by the forum. I knew it wasnt *precisely* what *you* meant, my point was that you made mine without even trying. Sorry if it came off harsh, thems the breaks. I dont think it is dishonest. You can compare it to whatever you like but this product is NOT a laptop, nor any physical product, this is software - and "Faulty" would then apply to pretty much every product, going by the definition of bugs=faulty. In the case of software, "faultiness" is a vast grey area, and the devs (along with a decent, if admittedly not all, portion of users) consider it "not faulty", or at least "not faulty enough to not sell/buy". You might be able to debate whther or not its degree of "faultiness" is large or small enough to be good enough to sell/buy, but you could have the same argument about windows. Have you ever bought a copy of windows? Or any new computer? Did it say in large letter on the front "Warning: contains faulty software that will require many months of updates to become less faulty." No, you've never seen that. Software is not a laptop, nor a car or item of food. One needs to learn how to buy software. One needs to learn things like "buy software compatible with your OS" and "check hte system requirements first", one also needs to learn to check the status of software before buying. This may not have been true in the 80s or 90s when software and computers were an order of magnitude or two simpler, but it is the case today. And having said even that - consider if it was food or a car - one needs to learn how to buy those properly too. Products do not come with all of their worst points plastered on the front of the pack. One really needs to learn to live in a world where that is the case. Ok, maybe you can say we live in a dishonest world, all I can say is that the honesty of the KSP devs is good enough for me.

"Victim blaming" - really? I think you have to forgive them not having a list of bugs on their front page, its not like you have to do much digging if you are worried about the value you are going to get for your money. If you google "kerbal space program", the second hit is the wiki page which delineates the update history including major issues - it gives a pretty good, if general, picture of the state of the game. The KSP website itself has prominent links to this forum (on their front page no less), where detailed information on bugs and issues is pretty visible. If one isnt bothered enough to get to the forums before spending ones money, one doesn't get to be snarky or angry about it. Im not saying they dont get to complain or get support, they just have to be deferential about it. Yah, thats exactly what Im saying.

This, unfortunately, means that they can still complain, but they cannot be angry and cannot expect much in the way of sympathy for buyers remorse. Customers should not be expected to be beta testers, no, nor expected to assist in the development process one bit - that is extra - but yeah, they *are* expected to actually look at what they are buying, whether they are forum users or not, whether they are vocal or not.

Point is, the existing bugs weren't exactly kept secret, so when someone buys KPS on whatever platform and exclaims, "Wth! Its got loads of bugs!" its a bit of a roll-eyes moment. And yes, it is the buyers responsibility to find easily available information on the product they are about to buy. It would have taken 3 mins on google, from a cold start, not knowing anything about KSP or its development, to get a general picture of the state of development.

The pedant in me wants to say, "Well, it did say "apparent"...", and also that the article probably wasn't written by the author of the paper, but christ its like *every* research paper/article has to have something about thermodynamics violation, rewriting physics as we know it, something travelling faster than light, causality violations or the other chesnut: "like a lightsaber". "New low-friction bearing in 2016 line of hotwheels may produce infinite momentum!" "Experiments in nanolathing may produce sentient computer!" "During production of pocahontas III, Disney may have accidentally created an artificial black hole!"

If it "belongs" to anyone, its the person who can actually get there...and that would be the russians... Ooh, quick question...are there locks on the doors? Seriously.

As far as I understand it, businesses of all types often have completion/release dates forced on them by factors other than what you would like. Houses must be built by a certain date otherwise all contractor contracts must be renewed, vastly increasing costs. Movies must be released before another very similar movie which would wipe out revenue. Products must be pushed to production before the third-party manufacturer needs to start on a run on another product from another company. So they released the console version a few months before you'd have preferred. To be honest though, KSP itself isn't really finished, and potentially still has several months/a year/a couple years to go before it is. I don't particularly like this as I have been playing on and off for years waiting for it to be complete, BUT it is a unique game/sim, the developers have satisfied me that they are competent and do their best for us, I've already got far more than my money's worth etc. so I dont tend to lose too much sleep over it.

Good point, but as you say, it is still bunk, the US just hired the ones they didnt want anyone else to have, to work for them. Thats all well and good, but on the other hand, ALL manned spaceflight is derived from ICBM technologies...

Hehehe! Yes because the Soviet Union Existed when they built the ISS...and cosmonauts aren't launched on basically a super-advanced ICBM...and Russia isn't practically a world leader in missile technology already...And have soooo much trouble developing ICBMs...

Hehe, that old chesnut! Love that story, especially as it was confirmed real and not just another urban myth/rumour! You might like this - Taco Bell put a floating target in the south pacific before Mir came down, and promised that every person in the US would get a free taco if Mir hit the target! http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=4152

@the_Demongod Found the following page to have a huge amount of info on the Saturn V F1 fuel injection regime: http://heroicrelics.org/info/f-1/f-1-injector.html Looks like it contains almost everything one would want to know about injectors! Includes excellent diagrams, info on instabilities and acoustics. Sorry mods, for the minor necro!

Exactly what I was getting at, this guy gets it. It really affects almost every facet of everyday life, regardless of your vocation. Its not like you have to teach artists to solve hamiltonians, just some pointers on judging data quality, be it numerical data or verbal opinion or anything in between. Lesson 1 could easily be "How to have a conversation with someone who *also* thinks they are right."

Sheres AND tetrahedra? How can it NOT produce unlimited energy!

Lets be clear, I am NOT posting this as a "Is this legit?" kind of manner, this is DEFINITELY a scam/hoax/joke. But the sheer density of this one, the almost tangible effort that exudes from the material, is quite unusually high. As if a chemistry/physics textbook, a thesaurus and a particularly heavy brick collided at high speed with a financially embattled Nigerian Prince. Behold, Phoenix Energy: http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/Induction/PENV/PENV_Rev-4_Induction-Energy_Re-Heat_Stm-Waste-Ht-Energy-Recov-Electric-Pwr-Plant_11-1-2015.pdf http://phoenixenergynv.com/ tl;dr - Heat water to make steam, use steam to power turbine generator, use a bit of the generated electricity to heat water to make steam... Or, as they put it: "Phoenix Energy of Nevada (PENV) has developed and is prepared to field a new extremely innovative, evolutionary, revolutionary, disruptive and transformational cutting-edge electric power plant design and technology known and described as the PENV Steam Waste Heat Energy Recovery Dry Cooling Reverse Condenser Induction Energy Induced Feed Water Re-Heat Electric Power Generation Plant." There are plenty of people out there who, for one reason or another, do not have the tools to tell this kind of material apart from real work, and the drag that this exerts on all manner of things (from bona-fide scientific research to school curricula) can be felt by all. We should be showing stuff like this to schoolkids, along with real research, and explain to them why "pseudoscience" exists and how to spot it - although a decent scientific education would do this automatically, not everyone is, or can be expected to be, scientifically-minded. It is the non-scientifically minded that are most vulnerable to this, and since the actually-scientifically-minded do not appear to get a larger say in these matters, teaching these things to otherwise-skilled people is incredibly important if we want to live in a science-enabled world, and not one of arbitrary, emotional choices. The above should not be taken as derogatory to those mentioned that are not-scientifically-minded, equal merit goes to people of all types of intelligence. People cannot be expected to be experts in every field, we must specialize, and there are very many non-scientific disciplines worthy of a lifetimes effort. For example, I wish very much that I was taught more about finances and economics at school (inb4 "economics IS science", sure, maybe, but you know what I mean!). However, the scientific disciplines underpin a great deal of our current society (drugs, cars, safety, lighting, utilities, global climate change, recycling etc etc.), so deserve special attention from everybody.

Here's a prediction: If/When a truly groundbreaking energy source/propulsions system is discovered/invented, we won't be hearing about it first on some youtube blog, and its effects *won't* be ambiguous, debatable or otherwise invisible to the interested.