Tuareg

i would understand this if it would be an MMO and we would talk about gaining unfair advantage but this is a singleplayer game... why anybody want to restrict me how do i play my game?

"Buggy bugger"?

yeah, it was working like that around the 18th century... today you can launch a new design into production in hours... or you dont seem to understand business models built on governmental lobby but we've got very far from procedural fairings

"The issue is *development* cost, which is huge." yes. they have the materials set, the structure set, they just have to modify the look of it on paper and all the rest is production. there is nothing cost HUGE on it. its marketing. and ESA pays for it (well, not the agency itself, but as i've said the governments funding ESA) arianespace is a company, a multinational company and they are selling these changes to those governments through ESA. business is a complex thing. far more complex than engineering.

its jeb's fault, he was messing with the controls

you should re-read it. esa member states (governments) will pay for the modification. they are selling it badly overpriced, like everything in the world today. do you know how much the production cost to make a smartphone? i'll tell you, about 10 eu. i guess you know their market price. the differences are exactly the same for everything. design, production etc are cheap, marketing cost billions... and ariane is just one company selling their products to esa and it absolutely doesnt matter how close relationship they are in...

but this is not true, we just shown cases say it different. why are u hanging on your imaginations when clearly there are examples saying the opposite? you can have a new fairings designed just pay for it. and it doesnt cost 100mill, they SELL it for 100mill which is a huge difference. just one example is the delta 2 with its 3 different fairings. they were designed BECAUSE of the payloads didnt fit into the old one... and if there would be a payload couldnt fit into it (however they probably try to fit in to those as many as they can) they have the ABILITY to design a new again and again. they will not attach their 10 cm oversized payload to a delta IV, they will create a delta 2 xyz... as they have already done it. also we are not playing a space agency selling launches for TV satellites, were are designing our own rockets our own payloads like if we would be nasa. sure they are standardising things because thats easier, but there is the chance to make it different. and payload and fairings is one of those will have to be changed the most. again the delta family... every other parts are the same on them but the fairings... one has more boosters to fit the probably higher weight it can carry but it has the same boosters. dont even mention delta 3 which is a delta 2 with an extremely special fairing...

this. while the idea is good, there is simply no competition because different companies are selling entirely different things...

just like u can argue it wont change things that there are many many different rockets with many many different fairings in service and that the ABILITY to design new ones at any time. there are no 3 fixed sizes for every missions...

haha, and you think that design cost 100mill or that they are selling it to esa? would it still cost 100 mill if they would go to launch it? well seen u never worked in outsourcing on the other hand, they are still designing new fairing even for order... so why shouldnt we be able to do it?

yeah, this is how you sell things if you are a business and its completely different if you do it for yourself... and thanks for the link which say they DO design new fairing for new payload

what? you imply that their own employee who gets fix monthly wage wouldnt design a new just somewhat bigger steel box cheaper than sending up an unnecessarily big rocket? yeah, as sal said imagination is a wonderful thing... and strange in some cases lol if this would be the case the world would have 3 size of rockets...

so why they designed the h10l when the only difference is the fairing? omg man...

i can hardly imagine that if nasa would have a multibillion equipment to launch just dont fit the delta II 7925 fairings they would scrap it instead of designing a 7925-H10L with a different fairing just for a few dollars. i think thats how those new versions were born... i dont have a hot line to nasa but i think they dont just launch a double sized rocket so they dont have to design a 10cm bigger fairing.

sadly fuel harvest was announced to be a single part magiccreate fuel on asteroids so no bases will be built on that. as there is nothing to do on planets, as long as it doesnt change, there is no reason to have bases other than it looks cool...

while nasa's delta family has at least 11 members in use with at least 7 different sized or shape fairings and payload... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_%28rocket_family%29#mediaviewer/File:Delta_EELV_family.svg i guess they didnt just make standardised size rockets randomly, they have designed them for different requirements and payloads, they simply just dont design one every week... but they also dont launch 10 rockets in 5 minutes.

two, so jeb and bob could collide them

well, that kind of discussion was over after about the 6th post. all the way since there is just, fixed fairings is more realistic (which isn't) and most ppl like restrictions because they cant restrict themselves (which is first of all not true, ppl like creative things, second of all non of my concern if somebody fails to restrict himself if there are no forced restrictions). If ppl could come up with some realistic reasons or, as you try to say, would just post things as "it fits MY gamestyle more", it would be ok, but you try to sell it as global truth and, sry for that, but it makes me annoyed... and i guess, as long as i dont start to give you names i have every right to give voice to this. would you disagree?

im getting fed up with these guys thinking they have a right to restrict others because they have more right to have fun then others on their failed self-restrictive way... is this going to anywhere? if ppl would enjoy restrictive gameplay minecraft wouldnt be so successful. it is because you can do generally anything in it. also the big mods for ksp wouldnt have hundreds of thousands of downloads. proc fairing, if they will happen are the first ever really good choice of squad

just sayin' that with proc fairing u can make standard and non standard size parts. with fixed u can make only standard. who is forcing what? its like: "dont force ur freedome on me"...

why would? it would just mean you dont have to put 5 of the same size and looking tanks on top of each other (which would be good for physx load) and that they can be any diameter. you still have to give separate tanks for payloads and stages and the crafts would still be built legolike...

but they set how wide their crafts are.... anyway, i dont understand ppl who want to force others to live their ways. you dont like it, dont use it. proc fairings is an advanced version of fairings. if you dont want to use its advantages you can always build standard sized loads with standard size fairings let others to do it different. it would look far better to have limits set by realism than rules set by cpast. and its not even much bigger work, its done by modders so can be done by squad...

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o.O... how many times nasa sent up rockets with other's payloads and how many times did they shoot up their own rockets with their own payloads and their own fairings... you can be sure its far easier to design a cover than design any craft (probe satellite or whatever) to fit into a given space. you live in a dream. weak up, ksp isnt real, its a game. (actually in most times even the rockets are designed for the payload not just the fairings)

i wouldnt be so sure...