Suddenly my plane has no lift - And flips out just after take-off.

[Mansen]

I've been following Scott Manley's beginner guide series - Built a quick and dirty jet plane to recon the local area. It worked fine initially - Made it as far as across the water to the... West? of the Space Center.

Speed forward a few hours - I install Quill18's list of suggested mods because I'm feeling a bit more adventurous (and most of them are interface mods anyway) and decide to pick up another recon contract. Now all of a sudden my airplane has no display of lift in the hangar (just the ball) and when I take off (if I even manage that) the plane flips out and tries its hardest to crash - completely different aerodynamics compared to earlier.

So... did I manage to ruin the design somehow without noticing? (I've been moving parts around trying to find the issue)

Or... Is it one of Quill's mods that have changed something that I'm not aware of?

Plane design with no lift indicator

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ln37l1nsih4ah3s/KSP_Plane_NoLift.jpg?dl=0

List of Quill's mods that I've installed (And made sure are in proper folders)

http://i.imgur.com/DuzoYQg.jpg

On a sidenote - I'm getting a warning that FlightIntegrator is only supported by 1.0 on startup (By UVA? I think), but I dismissed it thinking it was probably just a minor update to KSP difference.

Edited June 7, 2015 by Mansen

[FancyMouse]

I suspect FAR - it's a completely different aero system.

[ferram4]

Your plane has lift, it's just that the vector on the CoL is a stupid addition that is confusing and meaningless and shouldn't be there. Everything is working fine, your plane just needs a redesign to be, you know, stable.

[Mansen]

I suspect FAR - it's a completely different aero system.

Right - So I either need to scrap FAR for now, or try and adjust to its system instead of following Scott's videos (since they are using vanilla)

Your plane has lift, it's just that the vector on the CoL is a stupid addition that is confusing and meaningless and shouldn't be there. Everything is working fine, your plane just needs a redesign to be, you know, stable.

Got any basic examples? Because this design works in vanilla.

Edit: Looking at Quill's attempts at building planes since he's using the mod.

Edited May 26, 2015 by Mansen

[Wanderfound]

Got any basic examples? Because this design works in vanilla.

Edit: Looking at Quill's attempts at building planes since he's using the mod.

Almost anything will fly in stock; FAR is less forgiving (but very much worth it if you spend any significant time flying in atmosphere).

They're a little in need of updating, but see the FAR design tutorial in the third post of the Kerbodyne thread (linked below). There are also some FAR build tutorials on my Youtube channel.

PS - for a basic but functional low-tech explorer, try this one:

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Craft file at https://www.dropbox.com/s/ihkwtlb2u737stw/Kerboflyer.craft?dl=0

Edited May 26, 2015 by Wanderfound

[Mansen]

Finally got it all to work - Thanks for all the help folks.