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No, not some flashy high speed thingy that you see in movies. I mean:

Wormhole layer text diagram:

Enormous scary sign: CAUTION BLACK HOLE!

Absolute reality limit

Event horizon/Unreality limit

UNREALITY

Singularity

UNREALITY

Event horizon/Unreality limit

Absolute reality limit

Enormous spewy gas cloud

Enormous sign - visible side: Thankyou for using Sirius Cybernetics Corporation black holes!, other side: CAUTION BLACK HOLE OUTLET!

1. The spacecraft flies around with a Near Light Speed drive and sucks up lots of matter.

2. As it flies, we have some odd cosmic windmill or something.

3. Using HUGE amounts of energy, we compress this matter into it's Schwarzschild radius using sciency magnetic thingies.

4. We slow down to much lower speeds, and we shoot the nearly formed black hole out at nearly the speed of light. Then it sucks up matter and goes slurp and turns into a black hole.

5. Just after that, a probe is sent in at the speed of light. The probe communicates with the ship by quantum radio. If a message is picked up, it means the unreality supports atoms and physics. If a message is received and the probe is in the right location, the ship goes in and jumps across space.

6. If 5 does not do scenario 2, repeat 4 and 5 until success, VERY quickly.

Is this plausible?

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What the hell's a quantum radio?

You find 2 entangled particles, then switch them using a computer on one end and then decode them from binary on the other

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I don't understand any of that.

Basically, we shoot black holes out of a big gun, test to see if they are good and we fly through them.

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You find 2 entangled particles, then switch them using a computer on one end and then decode them from binary on the other

There is a no-communication theorem on entanglement that basically says you can't do that. In fact, entanglement cannot be used for communication, period. It can only be used to augment an existing communication channel. (See: Quantum Teleportation.)

Also, there is absolutely no reason that a black hole should lead anywhere. You can have an object that has all the external characteristics of a black hole, but is actually a wormhole. But you aren't going to accidentally make one of these by just making a black hole.

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There is a no-communication theorem on entanglement that basically says you can't do that. In fact, entanglement cannot be used for communication, period. It can only be used to augment an existing communication channel. (See: Quantum Teleportation.)

Also, there is absolutely no reason that a black hole should lead anywhere. You can have an object that has all the external characteristics of a black hole, but is actually a wormhole. But you aren't going to accidentally make one of these by just making a black hole.

How much xo humans actually know about black holes? Next to nothing. We are still struggling today because we are unable to observe them directly.

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Since we're using metric crap tons of power here anyway, why not try to quantum entangle the two regions of space, and just roll the dice and drive through it?

Sure, you'll have to make up your relative velocity at the target side, but hey, that's what the Orion drive is for

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There is a no-communication theorem on entanglement that basically says you can't do that. In fact, entanglement cannot be used for communication, period. It can only be used to augment an existing communication channel. (See: Quantum Teleportation.)

Also, there is absolutely no reason that a black hole should lead anywhere. You can have an object that has all the external characteristics of a black hole, but is actually a wormhole. But you aren't going to accidentally make one of these by just making a black hole.

Alright...tachyons! I don't know, sorry :blush:

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You can figure out improbability for things like unicorns appearing (figure out the improbability of that atomic structure appearing and figure out the improbability of those atoms coalescing out of the sea of neutrons, protons and electrons.) You can probably also figure out blackhole:wormhole ratio.

Augument an existing communication channel...does that mean you can teleport photons? Please explain. (Sorry if I sound completely stupid.)

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Since we're using metric crap tons of power here anyway, why not try to quantum entangle the two regions of space, and just roll the dice and drive through it?

Sure, you'll have to make up your relative velocity at the target side, but hey, that's what the Orion drive is for

That...umm...how is it meant to work. You can't really entangle atoms of different kinds. Sorry if I sound rude.

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There is a no-communication theorem on entanglement that basically says you can't do that. In fact, entanglement cannot be used for communication, period. It can only be used to augment an existing communication channel. (See: Quantum Teleportation.)

Also, there is absolutely no reason that a black hole should lead anywhere. You can have an object that has all the external characteristics of a black hole, but is actually a wormhole. But you aren't going to accidentally make one of these by just making a black hole.

Could you have an "entanglement room" where everything that happens in one room happens in another at the same time? As in EXACTLY the same time, not even a decillionth (1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000) of a second. Then you could have a chocolate, and if it's white it's a 0, and if it's brown it's a 1.

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I have actually seen a theory that a black hole is really just one end of a giant wormhole...a wormhole that spans between multiple universes!

Well, that universe could be ours, though it's a TINY, maybe a 1 to 101,000,000,000 chance.

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Also, sorry if the replies seem very messy.

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Alright...tachyons! I don't know, sorry :blush:

Standard model does not support tachyons that can be used for communication, either. Not quite as solid of a statement that you can't use entanglement, but it's still extremely unlikely.

How much xo humans actually know about black holes? Next to nothing. We are still struggling today because we are unable to observe them directly.

Seeing how black holes are, by definition, just various classes of vacuum solutions, a whole lot, actually.

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Short answer: no.

Longer answer: please could we have a separate forum for science fiction.

This isn't science fiction.

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Uh...maybe we should wait until scientists actually prove that wormholes exist? Maybe even wait until one is found in the wild?

Even if we find it, without entanglement working we wouldn't be able to tell, and even if it did work, does entanglement work acrosss universes?

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Could you have an "entanglement room" where everything that happens in one room happens in another at the same time? As in EXACTLY the same time, not even a decillionth (1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000) of a second. Then you could have a chocolate, and if it's white it's a 0, and if it's brown it's a 1.

No. That would send lots and lots of information, which is forbidden by the aforementioned theorem. It probably also violates the no-cloning-theorem.

Also, there is no proper meaning of "same time" by relativity. It all depends on the observer, especially his relative speed and position.

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Could you imagine how much more primitive we would be if everyone had that mentality? You'd be surprised on the number of discoveries made based on crazy ideas.

It seems the number 0 is surprising...

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