CatastrophicFailure Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Erm... were there supposed to be images there? I'm not seeing anything... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowmage Posted June 2, 2017 Author Share Posted June 2, 2017 9 minutes ago, CatastrophicFailure said: Erm... were there supposed to be images there? I'm not seeing anything... Erhmm.. yeah... was some copy/pasted excel tables. Which looked like proper tables in my post (and preview)... but apparently the forum software is not actually WYSIWYG (more like You get Random STUff, No What you See Or Posted). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowmage Posted June 2, 2017 Author Share Posted June 2, 2017 Oh, wow... what wonderfully (terrible) forum software we have. (this text was properly tab aligned in the code spoiler/preview) Constant DV target (5k) for constant payload (10t) (note Total vessel mass) Volume (m3) Density(t) Mass MassFrac TankMass payload Dry Total ISP dV 54.5 1 54.5 0.12 6.54 10 16.54 71.04 350 5004.193748 KLOX 160.5 0.0708 11.3634 0.24 2.727216 10 12.727216 24.090616 800 5007.649442 LH2 148 0.29 42.92 0.24 10.3008 10 20.3008 63.2208 450 5014.753103 HLOX Constant fuel volume with constant payload Volume (m3) Density(t) Mass MassFrac TankMass payload Dry Total ISP dV 100 1 100 0.12 12 10 22 122 350 5881.511993 KLOX 100 0.0708 7.08 0.24 1.6992 10 11.6992 18.7792 800 3713.904417 LH2 100 0.29 29 0.24 6.96 10 16.96 45.96 450 4400.87607 HLOX Constatn fuel volume, no payload Volume (m3) Density(t) Mass MassFrac TankMass payload Dry Total ISP dV 100 1 100 0.12 12 0 12 112 350 7669.038893 KLOX 100 0.0708 7.08 0.24 1.6992 0 1.6992 8.7792 800 12888.20327 LH2 100 0.29 29 0.24 6.96 0 6.96 35.96 450 7249.614337 HLOX or, in image format, as apparently that is the only thing this forum can handle 1 = Constant target DV with constant payload (5kDv / 10t) (note total vessel mass from the 'Total' column) 2 = Constant volume with constant payload (100m3 / 10t) 3 = Constant volume with zero payload and massless engine (theoretical max) All were done using 0.12 for the KLOX tank mass fraction, and 0.24 for the zero-boiloff mass fraction. (stock uses 0.125 mass fraction on tanks; 8:1=1/8=0.125) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedParadize Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Shadowmage said: Would you mind posting the stats for the craft that you are having problem(s) with? As all the math points to LH2 based fuels being quite a bit better, even with the 'heavy' ZBO tanks) I will do that tonight or somewhere this weekend. I will also make sure I have nothing interfering, I have allot of custom stuff and patch... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedParadize Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 @Shadowmage Ok I ran some test without my personal patch. First of, sorry if I wasted your time, your graphic show you put much more trough into this than me. Sorry again (I am Canadian, can't resist to say sorry... sorry about that!) look like I was using lightweight tanks for the LFO. I didn't realize I changed it as that's what I use 95% of the time. Obviously that make a huge difference since Lightweight and ZeroBoiloff are the two extreme in term of weight. I didn't ran with massless engine as you did, nor did I calculated everything as you did, its definitively the way to go, but I preferred to use ingame engine in my test as its what I will end up building my rocket with after all. So I put a single RS-25 (5.75t) vs 5 Merlin-1d (5.5t total), Close in mass but not equal, but Merlin-1d is not top LFO ISP but have a huge TWR bonus. I adjusted dV using only diameter and a tad of V.scale: LFO Lightweight Merlin-1d (5.5t total) Isp=320 Playload Tankage mass Fuel mass Total Mass delta V 20t+5.5t 2.848t 27.318t 53.692t 2001 20t+5.5t 10.493t 93.279t 129.299t 4011 20t+5.5t 47.293t 420.383t 493.202t 6003 HLOX ZeroBoiloff RS-25 (5.75t) Isp=452 Playload Tankage mass Fuel mass Total Mass delta V 20t+5.75t 5.352t 17.842t 48.970t 2008 20t+5.75t 20.320t 67.736t 113.832t 4007 20t+5.75t 162.565t 541.883t 730.224t 6007 Most case scenario everything is as it should, but looks like at some point between 4k and 6k dV LFO become better. Now that I see this, I am starting to believe its actually the lightweight tank that is op. Note that with regular tank for LFO the total mass would be 1287t for 6000dV. Problem is, lightweight tank actually exist and as you mention ZeroBoiloff do not. The need for super high dV without staging is limited to reusable interplanetary tugs, so its not that much of a issue. On my personal patch, I will probably end up buffing Low/Zero Boiloff a bit and nerf lightweight tank max temp and collision resistance allot. Here is my test rig craft text file. All tanks setup are included. Yellow=2000dV Orange=4000dV Red=6000dV and the blue tank is the test weight. Spoiler ship = TestCraft version = 1.3.0 description = type = VAB size = 9.77437592,40.0966797,29.6045456 PART { part = SSTU-SC-TANK-MFT-A_4294178112 partName = Part pos = -0.768607855,56.7099037,-14.2802544 attPos = 0,0,0 attPos0 = -0.768607855,56.7099037,-14.2802544 rot = 0,0,0,1 attRot = 0,0,0,1 attRot0 = 0,0,0,1 mir = 1,1,1 symMethod = Radial autostrutMode = Off rigidAttachment = False istg = -1 resPri = 0 dstg = 0 sidx = -1 sqor = -1 sepI = -1 attm = 0 modCost = 6128.54883 modMass = -2.05296826 modSize = 0,0,0 link = mumech.MJ2.AR202_4294157720 link = SSTU-SC-TANK-MFT-A_4293226014 attN = bottom,SSTU-SC-TANK-MFT-A_4293226014 EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } PARTDATA { } MODULE { name = SSTUVolumeContainer isEnabled = True volume = 40973.0469 initializedResources = True persistentData = standard,RocketParts,1,RocketParts,1 stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUModularFuelTank isEnabled = True currentTankSet = 3.00x currentTankType = MFT-A-3-0 currentNoseType = Mount-Tank-None currentMountType = Mount-Tank-None currentTankDiameter = 2.59375 currentTankVerticalScale = 0.9983356 currentNoseTexture = currentTankTexture = MFT-Stripes1-Stringers currentMountTexture = initializedResources = True noseModuleData = 1,1,1,1;1,1,1,1;1,1,1,1 bodyModuleData = 0.3294118,0.8392157,0.9294118,0.1254902;0.3294118,0.8392157,0.9294118,0.1254902;0.5019608,0.5019608,0.5019608,0.1254902 mountModuleData = 0.3294118,0.8392157,0.9294118,0.1254902;1,1,1,1;1,1,1,1 stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { upgrade = SSTU-MFT-D1 upgrade = SSTU-MFT-D2 upgrade = SSTU-MFT-D3 upgrade = SSTU-MFT-D4 upgrade = SSTU-MFT-D5 upgrade = SSTU-MFT-D6 upgrade = SSTU-MFT-M1 } } MODULE { name = SSTUFlagDecal isEnabled = True flagEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUSelectableNodes isEnabled = True currentlyEnabled = False initialized = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUResourceBoiloff isEnabled = True lastUpdateTime = -1 lastEffective = 1 stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = ModuleToggleCrossfeed isEnabled = True crossfeedStatus = False stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { ToggleAction { actionGroup = None } EnableAction { actionGroup = None } DisableAction { actionGroup = None } } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUCollisionHandler isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTURecolorGUI isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } RESOURCE { name = RocketParts amount = 6965.41796875 maxAmount = 6965.41796875 flowState = True isTweakable = True hideFlow = False isVisible = True flowMode = Both } } PART { part = mumech.MJ2.AR202_4294157720 partName = Part pos = -1.37458992,58.3311005,-14.2802544 attPos = 0,0,0 attPos0 = -0.605982006,1.62119675,3.7252903E-08 rot = -2.58743285E-19,1.51728659E-06,-1.75700803E-13,1 attRot = 0,0,0,1 attRot0 = -2.58743285E-19,1.51728659E-06,-1.75700803E-13,1 mir = 1,1,1 symMethod = Radial autostrutMode = Off rigidAttachment = False istg = -1 resPri = 0 dstg = 0 sidx = -1 sqor = -1 sepI = -1 attm = 1 modCost = 0 modMass = 0 modSize = 0,0,0 srfN = srfAttach,SSTU-SC-TANK-MFT-A_4294178112 EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } PARTDATA { } MODULE { name = ModuleCommand isEnabled = True hibernation = False hibernateOnWarp = False stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { HibernateToggle { actionGroup = None active = False } } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = MechJebCore isEnabled = True running = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { OnOrbitProgradeAction { actionGroup = None } OnOrbitRetrogradeAction { actionGroup = None } OnOrbitNormalAction { actionGroup = None } OnOrbitAntinormalAction { actionGroup = None } OnOrbitRadialInAction { actionGroup = None } OnOrbitRadialOutAction { actionGroup = None } OnKillRotationAction { actionGroup = None } OnDeactivateSmartASSAction { actionGroup = None } OnPanicAction { actionGroup = None } OnTranslatronOffAction { actionGroup = None } OnTranslatronKeepVertAction { actionGroup = None } OnTranslatronZeroSpeedAction { actionGroup = None } OnTranslatronPlusOneSpeedAction { actionGroup = None } OnTranslatronMinusOneSpeedAction { actionGroup = None } OnTranslatronToggleHSAction { actionGroup = None } OnAscentAPToggleAction { actionGroup = None } } MechJebLocalSettings { MechJebModuleMenu { unlockParts = unlockTechs = } MechJebModuleAscentAutopilot { unlockParts = unlockTechs = } MechJebModuleAscentGuidance { unlockParts = unlockTechs = unmannedTech } MechJebModuleAscentNavBall { unlockParts = unlockTechs = } MechJebModuleAscentPathEditor { unlockParts = unlockTechs = } MechJebModuleAttitudeAdjustment { unlockParts = unlockTechs = advFlightControl } MechJebModuleCustomWindowEditor { unlockParts = unlockTechs = flightControl } MechJebModuleDebugArrows { unlockParts = unlockTechs = } MechJebModuleDockingAutopilot { forceRol = False overrideSafeDistance = False overrideTargetSize = False unlockParts = unlockTechs = rol { _val = 0 _text = 0 } } MechJebModuleDockingGuidance { unlockParts = unlockTechs = advUnmanned } MechJebModuleInfoItems { unlockParts = unlockTechs = } MechJebModuleLandingAutopilot { deployGears = True deployChutes = True rcsAdjustment = True unlockParts = unlockTechs = touchdownSpeed { _val = 1 _text = 1 } limitGearsStage { val = 0 _text = 0 } limitChutesStage { val = 0 _text = 0 } } MechJebModuleLandingGuidance { landingSiteIdx = 0 unlockParts = unlockTechs = unmannedTech } MechJebModuleLandingPredictions { unlockParts = unlockTechs = } MechJebModuleManeuverPlanner { unlockParts = unlockTechs = advFlightControl } MechJebModuleNodeEditor { unlockParts = unlockTechs = advFlightControl } MechJebModuleNodeExecutor { unlockParts = unlockTechs = } MechJebModuleRCSBalancerWindow { unlockParts = unlockTechs = advFlightControl } MechJebModuleRendezvousAutopilot { unlockParts = unlockTechs = } MechJebModuleRendezvousAutopilotWindow { unlockParts = unlockTechs = advUnmanned } MechJebModuleRendezvousGuidance { unlockParts = unlockTechs = advUnmanned } MechJebModuleRoverController { ControlHeading = False ControlSpeed = False BrakeOnEject = False BrakeOnEnergyDepletion = False WarpToDaylight = True StabilityControl = False LimitAcceleration = False unlockParts = unlockTechs = heading { _val = 0 _text = 0 } speed { _val = 10 _text = 10 } } MechJebModuleRoverWindow { unlockParts = unlockTechs = fieldScience } MechJebModuleScript { minifiedGUI = False selectedSlot = 0 activeSavepoint = -1 unlockParts = unlockTechs = } MechJebModuleSettings { unlockParts = unlockTechs = } MechJebModuleSmartASS { mode = ORBITAL target = OFF advReference = INERTIAL advDirection = FORWARD forceRol = False forcePitch = True forceYaw = True unlockParts = unlockTechs = flightControl srfHdg { _val = 90 _text = 90 } srfPit { _val = 90 _text = 90 } srfRol { _val = 0 _text = 0 } srfVelYaw { _val = 0 _text = 0 } srfVelPit { _val = 0 _text = 0 } srfVelRol { _val = 0 _text = 0 } rol { _val = 0 _text = 0 } } MechJebModuleSmartRcs { unlockParts = unlockTechs = } MechJebModuleSpaceplaneAutopilot { unlockParts = unlockTechs = } MechJebModuleSpaceplaneGuidance { runwayIndex = 0 unlockParts = unlockTechs = unmannedTech } MechJebModuleStageStats { unlockParts = unlockTechs = } MechJebModuleTargetController { unlockParts = unlockTechs = } MechJebModuleThrustWindow { autostageSavedState = False unlockParts = unlockTechs = advFlightControl } MechJebModuleTranslatron { unlockParts = unlockTechs = advFlightControl trans_spd { _val = 0 _text = 0 } } MechJebModuleWarpHelper { unlockParts = unlockTechs = advFlightControl phaseAngle { _val = 0 _text = 0 } } MechJebModuleWaypointWindow { unlockParts = unlockTechs = } MechJebModuleWaypointHelpWindow { unlockParts = unlockTechs = } ModExtensionDemo { unlockParts = unlockTechs = } MechJebModuleCustomInfoWindow { } MechJebModuleCustomInfoWindow { } MechJebModuleCustomInfoWindow { } MechJebModuleCustomInfoWindow { } MechJebModuleWarpController { unlockParts = unlockTechs = } MechJebModuleSolarPanelController { prev_ShouldOpenSolarPanels = False unlockParts = unlockTechs = } MechJebModuleThrustController { limitThrottle = False limiterMinThrottle = False electricThrottle = False unlockParts = unlockTechs = maxThrottle { _val = 1 _text = 100 } minThrottle { _val = 0.050000000000000003 _text = 5 } electricThrottleLo { _val = 0.050000000000000003 _text = 5 } electricThrottleHi { _val = 0.14999999999999999 _text = 15 } } MechJebModuleRCSController { unlockParts = unlockTechs = Tf { _val = 1 _text = 1 } Kp { _val = 0.125 _text = 0.125 } Ki { _val = 0.070000000000000007 _text = 0.07 } Kd { _val = 0.53000000000000003 _text = 0.53 } } MechJebModuleRCSBalancer { unlockParts = unlockTechs = } MechJebModuleAttitudeController { unlockParts = unlockTechs = } MechJebModuleStagingController { unlockParts = unlockTechs = } MechJebModuleFlightRecorder { markUT = 0 deltaVExpended = 0 dragLosses = 0 gravityLosses = 0 steeringLosses = 0 markLAN = 0 markLatitude = 0 markLongitude = 0 markAltitude = 0 markBodyIndex = 1 maxDragGees = 0 unlockParts = unlockTechs = } MechJebModuleFlightRecorderGraph { unlockParts = unlockTechs = } } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = MechJebAR202 isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = TweakScale isEnabled = True currentScale = 100 defaultScale = 100 defaultTransformScale = (0, 0, 0) DryCost = 749.999878 stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = ModuleTripLogger isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } Log { flight = 0 } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } RESOURCE { name = ElectricCharge amount = 5 maxAmount = 5 flowState = True isTweakable = True hideFlow = False isVisible = True flowMode = Both } } PART { part = SSTU-SC-TANK-MFT-A_4293226014 partName = Part pos = -0.768607855,38.2007217,-14.2802544 attPos = 0,0,0 attPos0 = 0,-18.509182,0 rot = 0,0,0,1 attRot = 0,0,0,1 attRot0 = 0,0,0,1 mir = 1,1,1 symMethod = Radial autostrutMode = Off rigidAttachment = False istg = -1 resPri = 0 dstg = 0 sidx = -1 sqor = -1 sepI = -1 attm = 0 modCost = 173005.938 modMass = 157.899963 modSize = 0,0,0 link = SSTU-SC-ENG-RS-25_4293041080 link = SSTU-SC-TANK-MFT-A_4292999270 attN = top,SSTU-SC-TANK-MFT-A_4294178112 attN = bottom,SSTU-SC-ENG-RS-25_4293041080 EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } PARTDATA { } MODULE { name = SSTUVolumeContainer isEnabled = True volume = 2179978.25 initializedResources = True persistentData = zbo,Hydrolox,1,LqdHydrogen,15,Oxidizer,1 stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUModularFuelTank isEnabled = True currentTankSet = 3.00x currentTankType = MFT-A-3-0 currentNoseType = Mount-Tank-None currentMountType = Mount-Tank-None currentTankDiameter = 9.75 currentTankVerticalScale = 1.00000226 currentNoseTexture = currentTankTexture = MFT-Stripes1-Stringers currentMountTexture = initializedResources = True noseModuleData = 0.5019608,0.1254902,0.1254902,0.1254902;1,1,1,1;1,1,1,1 bodyModuleData = 0.5019608,0.1254902,0.1254902,0.1254902;0.1803922,0.1803922,0.1803922,0.1254902;0.5019608,0.5019608,0.5019608,0.1254902 mountModuleData = 1,1,1,1;1,1,1,1;1,1,1,1 stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { upgrade = SSTU-MFT-D1 upgrade = SSTU-MFT-D2 upgrade = SSTU-MFT-D3 upgrade = SSTU-MFT-D4 upgrade = SSTU-MFT-D5 upgrade = SSTU-MFT-D6 upgrade = SSTU-MFT-M1 } } MODULE { name = SSTUFlagDecal isEnabled = True flagEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUSelectableNodes isEnabled = True currentlyEnabled = False initialized = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUResourceBoiloff isEnabled = True lastUpdateTime = -1 lastEffective = 1 stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = ModuleToggleCrossfeed isEnabled = True crossfeedStatus = False stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { ToggleAction { actionGroup = None } EnableAction { actionGroup = None } DisableAction { actionGroup = None } } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUCollisionHandler isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTURecolorGUI isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } RESOURCE { name = LqdHydrogen amount = 1340686.625 maxAmount = 1340686.625 flowState = True isTweakable = True hideFlow = False isVisible = True flowMode = Both } RESOURCE { name = Oxidizer amount = 89379.109375 maxAmount = 89379.109375 flowState = True isTweakable = True hideFlow = False isVisible = True flowMode = Both } } PART { part = SSTU-SC-ENG-RS-25_4293041080 partName = Part pos = -0.768607855,22.375679,-14.2802544 attPos = 0,0,0 attPos0 = 0,-15.8250341,0 rot = 0,0,0,1 attRot = 0,0,0,1 attRot0 = 0,0,0,1 mir = 1,1,1 symMethod = Radial autostrutMode = Off rigidAttachment = False istg = 0 resPri = 0 dstg = 0 sidx = 0 sqor = 0 sepI = -1 attm = 0 modCost = 0 modMass = 0 modSize = 0,0,0 attN = top,SSTU-SC-TANK-MFT-A_4293226014 EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } PARTDATA { } MODULE { name = ModuleGimbal isEnabled = True gimbalLock = False gimbalLimiter = 100 currentShowToggles = False enableYaw = True enablePitch = True enableRoll = True gimbalActive = False stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { ToggleAction { actionGroup = None } LockAction { actionGroup = None } FreeAction { actionGroup = None } TogglePitchAction { actionGroup = None } ToggleYawAction { actionGroup = None } ToggleRollAction { actionGroup = None } } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUModularEngineCluster isEnabled = True currentEngineSpacing = 0 currentEngineVerticalOffset = 0 currentEngineLayoutName = Single currentEngineRotation = 0 currentMountName = Mount-Nova currentMountDiameter = 1.875 currentMountTexture = Mount-B mountModuleData = 0.9254902,0.9254902,0.9254902,0.1254902;0.1803922,0.1803922,0.1803922,0.1254902;0.1803922,0.1803922,0.1803922,0.1254902 fairingInitialized = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = ModuleEnginesFX isEnabled = True staged = False flameout = False EngineIgnited = False engineShutdown = False currentThrottle = 0 thrustPercentage = 100 manuallyOverridden = False stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { OnAction { actionGroup = None } ShutdownAction { actionGroup = None } ActivateAction { actionGroup = None } } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = ModuleSurfaceFX isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUNodeFairing isEnabled = True editorTransparency = True numOfSections = 1 guiTopDiameter = 1.875 guiBottomDiameter = 1.875 currentTextureSet = Fairings-A generateColliders = False fairingJettisoned = False fairingCreated = False fairingEnabled = True fairingForceDisabled = True customColor1 = (0.925490201, 0.925490201, 0.925490201, 0.125490203) customColor2 = (0.925490201, 0.925490201, 0.925490201, 0.125490203) customColor3 = (0.615686297, 0.490196079, 0.337254912, 0.125490203) initializedColors = True persistentDataString = 1.2,-1,0.9375,0.9375 stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { jettisonAction { actionGroup = None active = False } } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUModelConstraint isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUAnimateEngineHeat isEnabled = True currentHeat = 0 stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUSelectableNodes isEnabled = True currentlyEnabled = False initialized = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUCollisionHandler isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTURecolorGUI isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } } PART { part = SSTU-SC-TANK-MFT-A_4292999270 partName = Part pos = -0.768607497,44.1355782,-6.65838146 attPos = 0,0,0 attPos0 = 3.42726707E-07,5.93485641,7.6218729 rot = -4.21468513E-08,0.707106829,-4.21468513E-08,0.707106829 attRot = 0,0,0,1 attRot0 = -4.21468513E-08,0.707106829,-4.21468513E-08,0.707106829 mir = 1,1,1 symMethod = Radial autostrutMode = Off rigidAttachment = False istg = -1 resPri = 0 dstg = 0 sidx = -1 sqor = -1 sepI = -1 attm = 1 modCost = 65548.3438 modMass = 42.6281013 modSize = 0,0,0 link = SSTU-SC-ENG-Merlin-1D_4292999154 link = SSTU-SC-TANK-MFT-A_4292881376 srfN = srfAttach,SSTU-SC-TANK-MFT-A_4293226014 attN = bottom,SSTU-SC-ENG-Merlin-1D_4292999154 EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } PARTDATA { } MODULE { name = SSTUVolumeContainer isEnabled = True volume = 454468.25 initializedResources = True persistentData = light,LFO,1,LiquidFuel,9,Oxidizer,11 stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUModularFuelTank isEnabled = True currentTankSet = 3.00x currentTankType = MFT-A-3-0 currentNoseType = Mount-Tank-None currentMountType = Mount-Tank-None currentTankDiameter = 5.78125 currentTankVerticalScale = 1.00000226 currentNoseTexture = currentTankTexture = MFT-Stripes1-Stringers currentMountTexture = initializedResources = True noseModuleData = 0.5019608,0.1254902,0.1254902,0.1254902;1,1,1,1;1,1,1,1 bodyModuleData = 0.5019608,0.1254902,0.1254902,0.1254902;0.1803922,0.1803922,0.1803922,0.1254902;0.5019608,0.5019608,0.5019608,0.1254902 mountModuleData = 1,1,1,1;1,1,1,1;1,1,1,1 stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { upgrade = SSTU-MFT-D1 upgrade = SSTU-MFT-D2 upgrade = SSTU-MFT-D3 upgrade = SSTU-MFT-D4 upgrade = SSTU-MFT-D5 upgrade = SSTU-MFT-D6 upgrade = SSTU-MFT-M1 } } MODULE { name = SSTUFlagDecal isEnabled = True flagEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUSelectableNodes isEnabled = True currentlyEnabled = False initialized = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUResourceBoiloff isEnabled = True lastUpdateTime = -1 lastEffective = 1 stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = ModuleToggleCrossfeed isEnabled = True crossfeedStatus = False stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { ToggleAction { actionGroup = None } EnableAction { actionGroup = None } DisableAction { actionGroup = None } } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUCollisionHandler isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTURecolorGUI isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } RESOURCE { name = LiquidFuel amount = 37834.48046875 maxAmount = 37834.48046875 flowState = True isTweakable = True hideFlow = False isVisible = True flowMode = Both } RESOURCE { name = Oxidizer amount = 46242.14453125 maxAmount = 46242.14453125 flowState = True isTweakable = True hideFlow = False isVisible = True flowMode = Both } } PART { part = SSTU-SC-ENG-Merlin-1D_4292999154 partName = Part pos = -0.768607497,34.9636841,-6.65838051 attPos = 0,0,0 attPos0 = 0,-9.17189407,0 rot = -4.21468513E-08,0.707106829,-4.21468513E-08,0.707106829 attRot = 0,0,0,1 attRot0 = 0,0,0,1 mir = 1,1,1 symMethod = Radial autostrutMode = Off rigidAttachment = False istg = 0 resPri = 0 dstg = 0 sidx = 1 sqor = 0 sepI = -1 attm = 0 modCost = 6400 modMass = 4.4000001 modSize = 0,0,0 attN = top,SSTU-SC-TANK-MFT-A_4292999270 EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } PARTDATA { } MODULE { name = ModuleGimbal isEnabled = True gimbalLock = False gimbalLimiter = 100 currentShowToggles = False enableYaw = True enablePitch = True enableRoll = True gimbalActive = False stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { ToggleAction { actionGroup = None } LockAction { actionGroup = None } FreeAction { actionGroup = None } TogglePitchAction { actionGroup = None } ToggleYawAction { actionGroup = None } ToggleRollAction { actionGroup = None } } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUModularEngineCluster isEnabled = True currentEngineSpacing = 0 currentEngineVerticalOffset = 0 currentEngineLayoutName = FiveCross currentEngineRotation = 0 currentMountName = Mount-Saturn-V currentMountDiameter = 2.5 currentMountTexture = Mount-B mountModuleData = 0.9254902,0.9254902,0.9254902,0.1254902;0.1803922,0.1803922,0.1803922,0.1254902;0.1803922,0.1803922,0.1803922,0.1254902 fairingInitialized = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = ModuleEnginesFX isEnabled = True staged = False flameout = False EngineIgnited = False engineShutdown = False currentThrottle = 0 thrustPercentage = 100 manuallyOverridden = False stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { OnAction { actionGroup = None } ShutdownAction { actionGroup = None } ActivateAction { actionGroup = None } } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = ModuleSurfaceFX isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUNodeFairing isEnabled = True editorTransparency = True numOfSections = 1 guiTopDiameter = 2.5 guiBottomDiameter = 2.5 currentTextureSet = Fairings-A generateColliders = False fairingJettisoned = False fairingCreated = False fairingEnabled = True fairingForceDisabled = True customColor1 = (0.925490201, 0.925490201, 0.925490201, 0.125490203) customColor2 = (0.925490201, 0.925490201, 0.925490201, 0.125490203) customColor3 = (0.615686297, 0.490196079, 0.337254912, 0.125490203) initializedColors = True persistentDataString = 0.5,-1,1.25,1.25 stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { jettisonAction { actionGroup = None active = False } } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUModelConstraint isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUAnimateEngineHeat isEnabled = True currentHeat = 0 stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUSelectableNodes isEnabled = True currentlyEnabled = False initialized = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUCollisionHandler isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTURecolorGUI isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } } PART { part = SSTU-SC-TANK-MFT-A_4292881376 partName = Part pos = -0.768599868,45.2815475,-1.4286747 attPos = 0,0,0 attPos0 = -5.22969913,1.14596879,7.15254737E-06 rot = -4.21469153E-08,0.707107842,-4.21470396E-08,0.707105815 attRot = 0,0,0,1 attRot0 = 3.55271326E-15,1.43051136E-06,-1.77635657E-13,1 mir = 1,1,1 symMethod = Radial autostrutMode = Off rigidAttachment = False istg = -1 resPri = 0 dstg = 0 sidx = -1 sqor = -1 sepI = -1 attm = 1 modCost = 16246.2422 modMass = 15.6556196 modSize = 0,0,0 link = SSTU-SC-ENG-RS-25_4292881266 link = SSTU-SC-TANK-MFT-A_4292912324 srfN = srfAttach,SSTU-SC-TANK-MFT-A_4292999270 attN = bottom,SSTU-SC-ENG-RS-25_4292881266 EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } PARTDATA { } MODULE { name = SSTUVolumeContainer isEnabled = True volume = 272497.281 initializedResources = True persistentData = zbo,Hydrolox,1,LqdHydrogen,15,Oxidizer,1 stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUModularFuelTank isEnabled = True currentTankSet = 3.00x currentTankType = MFT-A-3-0 currentNoseType = Mount-Tank-None currentMountType = Mount-Tank-None currentTankDiameter = 4.875 currentTankVerticalScale = 1.00000226 currentNoseTexture = currentTankTexture = MFT-Stripes1-Stringers currentMountTexture = initializedResources = True noseModuleData = 1,1,1,1;1,1,1,1;1,1,1,1 bodyModuleData = 1,0.6235294,0,0.1254902;0.1803922,0.1803922,0.1803922,0.1254902;0.5019608,0.5019608,0.5019608,0.1254902 mountModuleData = 1,1,1,1;1,1,1,1;1,1,1,1 stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { upgrade = SSTU-MFT-D1 upgrade = SSTU-MFT-D2 upgrade = SSTU-MFT-D3 upgrade = SSTU-MFT-D4 upgrade = SSTU-MFT-D5 upgrade = SSTU-MFT-D6 upgrade = SSTU-MFT-M1 } } MODULE { name = SSTUFlagDecal isEnabled = True flagEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUSelectableNodes isEnabled = True currentlyEnabled = False initialized = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUResourceBoiloff isEnabled = True lastUpdateTime = -1 lastEffective = 1 stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = ModuleToggleCrossfeed isEnabled = True crossfeedStatus = False stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { ToggleAction { actionGroup = None } EnableAction { actionGroup = None } DisableAction { actionGroup = None } } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUCollisionHandler isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTURecolorGUI isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } RESOURCE { name = LqdHydrogen amount = 167585.828125 maxAmount = 167585.828125 flowState = True isTweakable = True hideFlow = False isVisible = True flowMode = Both } RESOURCE { name = Oxidizer amount = 11172.388671875 maxAmount = 11172.388671875 flowState = True isTweakable = True hideFlow = False isVisible = True flowMode = Both } } PART { part = SSTU-SC-ENG-RS-25_4292881266 partName = Part pos = -0.768599868,36.7690125,-1.42867279 attPos = 0,0,0 attPos0 = 0,-8.51251602,0 rot = -4.21469153E-08,0.707107842,-4.21470396E-08,0.707105815 attRot = 0,0,0,1 attRot0 = 0,0,0,1 mir = 1,1,1 symMethod = Radial autostrutMode = Off rigidAttachment = False istg = 0 resPri = 0 dstg = 0 sidx = 2 sqor = 0 sepI = -1 attm = 0 modCost = 0 modMass = 0 modSize = 0,0,0 attN = top,SSTU-SC-TANK-MFT-A_4292881376 EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } PARTDATA { } MODULE { name = ModuleGimbal isEnabled = True gimbalLock = False gimbalLimiter = 100 currentShowToggles = False enableYaw = True enablePitch = True enableRoll = True gimbalActive = False stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { ToggleAction { actionGroup = None } LockAction { actionGroup = None } FreeAction { actionGroup = None } TogglePitchAction { actionGroup = None } ToggleYawAction { actionGroup = None } ToggleRollAction { actionGroup = None } } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUModularEngineCluster isEnabled = True currentEngineSpacing = 0 currentEngineVerticalOffset = 0 currentEngineLayoutName = Single currentEngineRotation = 0 currentMountName = Mount-Nova currentMountDiameter = 1.875 currentMountTexture = Mount-B mountModuleData = 0.9254902,0.9254902,0.9254902,0.1254902;0.1803922,0.1803922,0.1803922,0.1254902;0.1803922,0.1803922,0.1803922,0.1254902 fairingInitialized = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = ModuleEnginesFX isEnabled = True staged = False flameout = False EngineIgnited = False engineShutdown = False currentThrottle = 0 thrustPercentage = 100 manuallyOverridden = False stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { OnAction { actionGroup = None } ShutdownAction { actionGroup = None } ActivateAction { actionGroup = None } } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = ModuleSurfaceFX isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUNodeFairing isEnabled = True editorTransparency = True numOfSections = 1 guiTopDiameter = 1.875 guiBottomDiameter = 1.875 currentTextureSet = Fairings-A generateColliders = False fairingJettisoned = False fairingCreated = False fairingEnabled = True fairingForceDisabled = True customColor1 = (0.925490201, 0.925490201, 0.925490201, 0.125490203) customColor2 = (0.925490201, 0.925490201, 0.925490201, 0.125490203) customColor3 = (0.615686297, 0.490196079, 0.337254912, 0.125490203) initializedColors = True persistentDataString = 1.2,-1,0.9375,0.9375 stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { jettisonAction { actionGroup = None active = False } } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUModelConstraint isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUAnimateEngineHeat isEnabled = True currentHeat = 0 stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUSelectableNodes isEnabled = True currentlyEnabled = False initialized = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUCollisionHandler isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTURecolorGUI isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } } PART { part = SSTU-SC-TANK-MFT-A_4292912324 partName = Part pos = -0.768581748,47.2141495,2.67671394 attPos = 0,0,0 attPos0 = -4.10538387,1.93260133,5.8973751E-06 rot = -9.48308525E-08,0.707109034,-9.48307957E-08,0.707104623 attRot = 0,0,0,1 attRot0 = -1.24344694E-13,1.66892983E-06,-7.45062039E-08,1 mir = 1,1,1 symMethod = Radial autostrutMode = Off rigidAttachment = False istg = -1 resPri = 0 dstg = 0 sidx = -1 sqor = -1 sepI = -1 attm = 1 modCost = 9760.74414 modMass = 5.82889462 modSize = 0,0,0 link = SSTU-SC-ENG-Merlin-1D_4292912202 link = SSTU-SC-TANK-MFT-A_4292683694 srfN = srfAttach,SSTU-SC-TANK-MFT-A_4292881376 attN = bottom,SSTU-SC-ENG-Merlin-1D_4292912202 EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } PARTDATA { } MODULE { name = SSTUVolumeContainer isEnabled = True volume = 100842.227 initializedResources = True persistentData = light,LFO,1,LiquidFuel,9,Oxidizer,11 stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUModularFuelTank isEnabled = True currentTankSet = 3.00x currentTankType = MFT-A-3-0 currentNoseType = Mount-Tank-None currentMountType = Mount-Tank-None currentTankDiameter = 3.5 currentTankVerticalScale = 1.00000226 currentNoseTexture = currentTankTexture = MFT-Stripes1-Stringers currentMountTexture = initializedResources = True noseModuleData = 1,0.6235294,0,0.1254902;1,1,1,1;1,1,1,1 bodyModuleData = 1,0.6235294,0,0.1254902;0.1803922,0.1803922,0.1803922,0.1254902;0.5019608,0.5019608,0.5019608,0.1254902 mountModuleData = 1,1,1,1;1,1,1,1;1,1,1,1 stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { upgrade = SSTU-MFT-D1 upgrade = SSTU-MFT-D2 upgrade = SSTU-MFT-D3 upgrade = SSTU-MFT-D4 upgrade = SSTU-MFT-D5 upgrade = SSTU-MFT-D6 upgrade = SSTU-MFT-M1 } } MODULE { name = SSTUFlagDecal isEnabled = True flagEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUSelectableNodes isEnabled = True currentlyEnabled = False initialized = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUResourceBoiloff isEnabled = True lastUpdateTime = -1 lastEffective = 1 stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = ModuleToggleCrossfeed isEnabled = True crossfeedStatus = False stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { ToggleAction { actionGroup = None } EnableAction { actionGroup = None } DisableAction { actionGroup = None } } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUCollisionHandler isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTURecolorGUI isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } RESOURCE { name = LiquidFuel amount = 8395.115234375 maxAmount = 8395.115234375 flowState = True isTweakable = True hideFlow = False isVisible = True flowMode = Both } RESOURCE { name = Oxidizer amount = 10260.697265625 maxAmount = 10260.697265625 flowState = True isTweakable = True hideFlow = False isVisible = True flowMode = Both } } PART { part = SSTU-SC-ENG-Merlin-1D_4292912202 partName = Part pos = -0.768581748,41.464138,2.67671585 attPos = 0,0,0 attPos0 = 0,-5.75001097,0 rot = -9.48308525E-08,0.707109034,-9.48307957E-08,0.707104623 attRot = 0,0,0,1 attRot0 = 0,0,0,1 mir = 1,1,1 symMethod = Radial autostrutMode = Off rigidAttachment = False istg = 0 resPri = 0 dstg = 0 sidx = 3 sqor = 0 sepI = -1 attm = 0 modCost = 6400 modMass = 4.4000001 modSize = 0,0,0 attN = top,SSTU-SC-TANK-MFT-A_4292912324 EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } PARTDATA { } MODULE { name = ModuleGimbal isEnabled = True gimbalLock = False gimbalLimiter = 100 currentShowToggles = False enableYaw = True enablePitch = True enableRoll = True gimbalActive = False stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { ToggleAction { actionGroup = None } LockAction { actionGroup = None } FreeAction { actionGroup = None } TogglePitchAction { actionGroup = None } ToggleYawAction { actionGroup = None } ToggleRollAction { actionGroup = None } } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUModularEngineCluster isEnabled = True currentEngineSpacing = 0 currentEngineVerticalOffset = 0 currentEngineLayoutName = FiveCross currentEngineRotation = 0 currentMountName = Mount-Saturn-V currentMountDiameter = 2.5 currentMountTexture = Mount-B mountModuleData = 0.9254902,0.9254902,0.9254902,0.1254902;0.1803922,0.1803922,0.1803922,0.1254902;0.1803922,0.1803922,0.1803922,0.1254902 fairingInitialized = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = ModuleEnginesFX isEnabled = True staged = False flameout = False EngineIgnited = False engineShutdown = False currentThrottle = 0 thrustPercentage = 100 manuallyOverridden = False stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { OnAction { actionGroup = None } ShutdownAction { actionGroup = None } ActivateAction { actionGroup = None } } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = ModuleSurfaceFX isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUNodeFairing isEnabled = True editorTransparency = True numOfSections = 1 guiTopDiameter = 2.5 guiBottomDiameter = 2.5 currentTextureSet = Fairings-A generateColliders = False fairingJettisoned = False fairingCreated = False fairingEnabled = True fairingForceDisabled = True customColor1 = (0.925490201, 0.925490201, 0.925490201, 0.125490203) customColor2 = (0.925490201, 0.925490201, 0.925490201, 0.125490203) customColor3 = (0.615686297, 0.490196079, 0.337254912, 0.125490203) initializedColors = True persistentDataString = 0.5,-1,1.25,1.25 stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { jettisonAction { actionGroup = None active = False } } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUModelConstraint isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUAnimateEngineHeat isEnabled = True currentHeat = 0 stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUSelectableNodes isEnabled = True currentlyEnabled = False initialized = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUCollisionHandler isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTURecolorGUI isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } } PART { part = SSTU-SC-TANK-MFT-A_4292683694 partName = Part pos = -0.768555999,47.6630135,5.93809509 attPos = 0,0,0 attPos0 = -3.2613759,0.448863149,4.57861279E-06 rot = -1.05367533E-07,0.707110167,-1.05367675E-07,0.707103491 attRot = 0,0,0,1 attRot0 = -2.44255537E-14,1.6391275E-06,-1.49012589E-08,1 mir = 1,1,1 symMethod = Radial autostrutMode = Off rigidAttachment = False istg = -1 resPri = 0 dstg = 0 sidx = -1 sqor = -1 sepI = -1 attm = 1 modCost = -249.215332 modMass = 0.687579155 modSize = 0,0,0 link = SSTU-SC-ENG-RS-25_4292683578 link = SSTU-SC-TANK-MFT-A_4292647338 srfN = srfAttach,SSTU-SC-TANK-MFT-A_4292912324 attN = bottom,SSTU-SC-ENG-RS-25_4292683578 EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } PARTDATA { } MODULE { name = SSTUVolumeContainer isEnabled = True volume = 71777.5078 initializedResources = True persistentData = zbo,Hydrolox,1,LqdHydrogen,15,Oxidizer,1 stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUModularFuelTank isEnabled = True currentTankSet = 3.00x currentTankType = MFT-A-3-0 currentNoseType = Mount-Tank-None currentMountType = Mount-Tank-None currentTankDiameter = 3.125 currentTankVerticalScale = 1.00000226 currentNoseTexture = currentTankTexture = MFT-Stripes1-Stringers currentMountTexture = initializedResources = True noseModuleData = 0.827451,0.827451,0.04705882,0.6901961;1,1,1,1;1,1,1,1 bodyModuleData = 0.827451,0.827451,0.04705882,0.6901961;0.1803922,0.1803922,0.1803922,0.1254902;0.5019608,0.5019608,0.5019608,0.1254902 mountModuleData = 1,1,1,1;1,1,1,1;1,1,1,1 stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { upgrade = SSTU-MFT-D1 upgrade = SSTU-MFT-D2 upgrade = SSTU-MFT-D3 upgrade = SSTU-MFT-D4 upgrade = SSTU-MFT-D5 upgrade = SSTU-MFT-D6 upgrade = SSTU-MFT-M1 } } MODULE { name = SSTUFlagDecal isEnabled = True flagEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUSelectableNodes isEnabled = True currentlyEnabled = False initialized = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUResourceBoiloff isEnabled = True lastUpdateTime = -1 lastEffective = 1 stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = ModuleToggleCrossfeed isEnabled = True crossfeedStatus = False stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { ToggleAction { actionGroup = None } EnableAction { actionGroup = None } DisableAction { actionGroup = None } } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUCollisionHandler isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTURecolorGUI isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } RESOURCE { name = LqdHydrogen amount = 44143.1640625 maxAmount = 44143.1640625 flowState = True isTweakable = True hideFlow = False isVisible = True flowMode = Both } RESOURCE { name = Oxidizer amount = 2942.877685546875 maxAmount = 2942.877685546875 flowState = True isTweakable = True hideFlow = False isVisible = True flowMode = Both } } PART { part = SSTU-SC-ENG-RS-25_4292683578 partName = Part pos = -0.768555999,41.7754784,5.93809509 attPos = 0,0,0 attPos0 = 0,-5.88750982,0 rot = -1.05367533E-07,0.707110167,-1.05367675E-07,0.707103491 attRot = 0,0,0,1 attRot0 = 0,0,0,1 mir = 1,1,1 symMethod = Radial autostrutMode = Off rigidAttachment = False istg = 0 resPri = 0 dstg = 0 sidx = 4 sqor = 0 sepI = -1 attm = 0 modCost = 0 modMass = 0 modSize = 0,0,0 attN = top,SSTU-SC-TANK-MFT-A_4292683694 EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } PARTDATA { } MODULE { name = ModuleGimbal isEnabled = True gimbalLock = False gimbalLimiter = 100 currentShowToggles = False enableYaw = True enablePitch = True enableRoll = True gimbalActive = False stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { ToggleAction { actionGroup = None } LockAction { actionGroup = None } FreeAction { actionGroup = None } TogglePitchAction { actionGroup = None } ToggleYawAction { actionGroup = None } ToggleRollAction { actionGroup = None } } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUModularEngineCluster isEnabled = True currentEngineSpacing = 0 currentEngineVerticalOffset = 0 currentEngineLayoutName = Single currentEngineRotation = 0 currentMountName = Mount-Nova currentMountDiameter = 1.875 currentMountTexture = Mount-B mountModuleData = 0.9254902,0.9254902,0.9254902,0.1254902;0.1803922,0.1803922,0.1803922,0.1254902;0.1803922,0.1803922,0.1803922,0.1254902 fairingInitialized = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = ModuleEnginesFX isEnabled = True staged = False flameout = False EngineIgnited = False engineShutdown = False currentThrottle = 0 thrustPercentage = 100 manuallyOverridden = False stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { OnAction { actionGroup = None } ShutdownAction { actionGroup = None } ActivateAction { actionGroup = None } } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = ModuleSurfaceFX isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUNodeFairing isEnabled = True editorTransparency = True numOfSections = 1 guiTopDiameter = 1.875 guiBottomDiameter = 1.875 currentTextureSet = Fairings-A generateColliders = False fairingJettisoned = False fairingCreated = False fairingEnabled = True fairingForceDisabled = True customColor1 = (0.925490201, 0.925490201, 0.925490201, 0.125490203) customColor2 = (0.925490201, 0.925490201, 0.925490201, 0.125490203) customColor3 = (0.615686297, 0.490196079, 0.337254912, 0.125490203) initializedColors = True persistentDataString = 1.2,-1,0.9375,0.9375 stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { jettisonAction { actionGroup = None active = False } } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUModelConstraint isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUAnimateEngineHeat isEnabled = True currentHeat = 0 stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUSelectableNodes isEnabled = True currentlyEnabled = False initialized = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUCollisionHandler isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTURecolorGUI isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } } PART { part = SSTU-SC-TANK-MFT-A_4292647338 partName = Part pos = -0.768527389,48.8640594,8.58295441 attPos = 0,0,0 attPos0 = -2.64486027,1.20104504,3.54451981E-06 rot = 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UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = ModuleToggleCrossfeed isEnabled = True crossfeedStatus = False stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { ToggleAction { actionGroup = None } EnableAction { actionGroup = None } DisableAction { actionGroup = None } } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUCollisionHandler isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTURecolorGUI isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } RESOURCE { name = LiquidFuel amount = 2278.65869140625 maxAmount = 2278.65869140625 flowState = True isTweakable = True hideFlow = False isVisible = True flowMode = Both } RESOURCE { name = Oxidizer amount = 2785.027587890625 maxAmount = 2785.027587890625 flowState = True isTweakable = True hideFlow = False isVisible = True flowMode = Both } } PART { part = SSTU-SC-ENG-Merlin-1D_4292647210 partName = Part pos = -0.768527389,44.9159241,8.58295631 attPos = 0,0,0 attPos0 = 0,-3.9481318,0 rot = -1.4751447E-07,0.707111299,-1.47514413E-07,0.707102358 attRot = 0,0,0,1 attRot0 = 0,0,0,1 mir = 1,1,1 symMethod = Radial autostrutMode = Off rigidAttachment = False istg = 0 resPri = 0 dstg = 0 sidx = 5 sqor = 0 sepI = -1 attm = 0 modCost = 6400 modMass = 4.4000001 modSize = 0,0,0 attN = top,SSTU-SC-TANK-MFT-A_4292647338 EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } PARTDATA { } MODULE { name = ModuleGimbal isEnabled = True gimbalLock = False gimbalLimiter = 100 currentShowToggles = False enableYaw = True enablePitch = True enableRoll = True gimbalActive = False stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { ToggleAction { actionGroup = None } LockAction { actionGroup = None } FreeAction { actionGroup = None } TogglePitchAction { actionGroup = None } ToggleYawAction { actionGroup = None } ToggleRollAction { actionGroup = None } } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUModularEngineCluster isEnabled = True currentEngineSpacing = 0 currentEngineVerticalOffset = 0 currentEngineLayoutName = FiveCross currentEngineRotation = 0 currentMountName = Mount-Saturn-V currentMountDiameter = 2.5 currentMountTexture = Mount-B mountModuleData = 0.9254902,0.9254902,0.9254902,0.1254902;0.1803922,0.1803922,0.1803922,0.1254902;0.1803922,0.1803922,0.1803922,0.1254902 fairingInitialized = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = ModuleEnginesFX isEnabled = True staged = False flameout = False EngineIgnited = False engineShutdown = False currentThrottle = 0 thrustPercentage = 100 manuallyOverridden = False stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { OnAction { actionGroup = None } ShutdownAction { actionGroup = None } ActivateAction { actionGroup = None } } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = ModuleSurfaceFX isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUNodeFairing isEnabled = True editorTransparency = True numOfSections = 1 guiTopDiameter = 2.5 guiBottomDiameter = 2.5 currentTextureSet = Fairings-A generateColliders = False fairingJettisoned = False fairingCreated = False fairingEnabled = True fairingForceDisabled = True customColor1 = (0.925490201, 0.925490201, 0.925490201, 0.125490203) customColor2 = (0.925490201, 0.925490201, 0.925490201, 0.125490203) customColor3 = (0.615686297, 0.490196079, 0.337254912, 0.125490203) initializedColors = True persistentDataString = 0.5,-1,1.25,1.25 stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { jettisonAction { actionGroup = None active = False } } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUModelConstraint isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUAnimateEngineHeat isEnabled = True currentHeat = 0 stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUSelectableNodes isEnabled = True currentlyEnabled = False initialized = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTUCollisionHandler isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } MODULE { name = SSTURecolorGUI isEnabled = True stagingEnabled = True EVENTS { } ACTIONS { } UPGRADESAPPLIED { } } } Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbodiah Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 I really love the new color GUI, so much extra customization and awesomeness. Thank you, Mage!!!! Spoiler Spoiler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbodiah Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 BTW... The new craft repository thread can now be found here: I've started adding stock career builds as well (which also work in SSRSS, which I am actually using). After I get the initial ships set up to stock scale, I will start adding some for RSS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowmage Posted June 4, 2017 Author Share Posted June 4, 2017 Updated release is available: https://github.com/shadowmage45/SSTULabs/releases/tag/0.6.36.136 A few small bug fixes and updates to some config files. Includes an updated version of KSPWheel, so the SC-E should be functional again. WARNING - The SC-C-ICPS and SC-C-HUS parts are being deprecated and will be removed in a near-future release. Please begin converting your craft now, as when the change happens existing craft using those parts will break; the updated MUS fuel tank should serve as an adequate replacement for the parts being removed (old models and configs might be made available for a short while upon request). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawaiiSpaceProgram Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Which version do I DL if I'm still on 1.2.2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 14 minutes ago, HawaiiSpaceProgram said: Which version do I DL if I'm still on 1.2.2? Think this should work I think. Maybe. https://github.com/shadowmage45/SSTULabs/releases/tag/0.5.34.134 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbodiah Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 That is the last 1.2.2 release, it works fine; I still run a 1.2.2 RSS copy with it. I just installed the latest build and I discovered a hidden gem in there; the SSTU-HECS. I was wondering if you would ever make a satellite we could use on contract missions. Good to see you are looking at it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowmage Posted June 5, 2017 Author Share Posted June 5, 2017 11 minutes ago, Jimbodiah said: I just installed the latest build and I discovered a hidden gem in there; the SSTU-HECS. I was wondering if you would ever make a satellite we could use on contract missions. Good to see you are looking at it Ahh, yeah, I've been playing with that part in my dev games for quite awhile now. Wasn't quite sure how well the feature set would play out for that part, but it ended up working quite well. It used to get removed from the releases by my build script; but I haven't updated the build script to work with the new repository setup, so have been manually packing things and apparently forgot to remove it. I'm actually not sure if the part even works at the moment; I do remember it had some minor config errors that needed cleaned up originally, but that was before I started all the model/recoloring rework stuff, so it may well have been broken during the updates. The concept though will probably stick around and be developed a bit more in the future. Probably will come up with a few other probe body designs, some more oriented towards integrated solar panels, others using RTGs. Really want to come up with a 'science package' that can be slapped on them, something that gradually unlocks more experiments as the tech tree is unlocked. Will likely also come up with some integrated probe-style RCS blocks to include in the part(s). And finally, I'm still undecided on if I should include engine functionality in some of the probe-core bodies; with them being a mostly integrated part, and final part of a 'payload', they are one of the best candidates for integrating engines. If/when I get to the 'service module' parts, they will likely use mostly the same setup, only with larger bodies/tanks/engines, and possibly a few specialized features on each. On 6/2/2017 at 10:44 PM, RedParadize said: @Shadowmage Ok I ran some test without my personal patch. First of, sorry if I wasted your time, your graphic show you put much more trough into this than me. Sorry again (I am Canadian, can't resist to say sorry... sorry about that!) look like I was using lightweight tanks for the LFO. I didn't realize I changed it as that's what I use 95% of the time. Obviously that make a huge difference since Lightweight and ZeroBoiloff are the two extreme in term of weight. Thanks for taking the time to put that info together, I'll play around with that a bit to see where it all sits in my calc sheets. Two quick things going on that would explain part of the discrepancy / imbalance: 1.) Comparing light-weight tanks vs. zero-boil-off. That would be like comparing an ironclad hull to a cheap aluminum hull; there really can be no comparison made other than 'one is far heavier than the other'. As you point out, there currently can be no real-world-based comparison between the two. Lightweight tanks exist, and have flown (and are what I based the stats on). ZBO tanks are... speculative at best, and mostly fictional in practice. 2.) Using HLOX in the zero-boiloff tank. The way the code works (and KSP), is that the zero-boil-off penalty is applied to the volume/resource-mass for the entire tank, not just the cryogenic portion. So you are paying the 'zero-boil-off' penalty on your OX tank as well (and as it is more dense, it is quite a big penalty, as the ZBO mass is a percentage of resource mass). The best (and only efficient) use of the ZBO tanks is for pure LH2. This is actually quite a large mass penalty being paid for insulating the LOX, and would make a far bigger difference than you might think (about the same magnitude of difference between the 'standard' and 'lightweight' tanks). Going forward... yes, the lightweight tanks are a bit OP for stock KSP... they are geared more towards late-game RO use (or other large rescaled systems with higher dV budgets), I might 'nerf' them a slight bit for stock KSP use. The zero-boiloff mechanics/calculations will not be changing however (doing so would require that 'VolumeContainer' be aware what a cryogenic fuel is, and what 'tank type' to assign to non-cryo fuels in a mixed tank setup... currently it doesn't care, all boiloff/cryo functions are handled by a separate module), so the best setup for a zero-boiloff-HLOX type setup would be to use a separate 'lightweight' tank for the OX, and a ZBO tank for the LH2 (yes, two separate tanks, one for each fuel); this would ensure you are only paying the ZBO penalty on for the tank/fuel that actually needs it. Either way, I'll put together a bit of a better comparison sheet using more solid data for its base (the stuff I did the other day I guessed/estimated quite a bit regarding densities), and will do a good examination of the fuel tank setups and balances for a near-future update. At the very least there is some room for some of the tanks to have a better volume use (lower volume loss, e.g. spherical tanks), and depending on code might be room for some additional mass and/or boil-off adjustments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbodiah Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 17 minutes ago, Shadowmage said: Really want to come up with a 'science package' that can be slapped on them, something that gradually unlocks more experiments as the tech tree is unlocked. I made apart using your radial materials bay that holds all the other stock (and BDB/DMagic) experiments and even tried using the upgrade system to unlock the new experiments with the techtree, but never got that to work. I don't think the upgrade system allows you to add modules, only change them? But it would be super if you got that working, it would solve a lot of esthetic problems with all the fugly stock parts strapped onto ships. A satellite for contracts and communication relays would be on my short list for SSTU parts, together with an ATV style resupply ship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 An ATV would basically be a COS part with the adapters set appropriately, plus a modular service module, no? Seems like it would need a new adapter part to get the "beak" look of the docking port. Perhaps a new "station" part that is a cylinder with blankets instead of metal texture? The COS parts are very slightly smaller than the ATVs to scale (which would be 2.88m in kerbal scale). Anyway, with a new adapter and a SM... Maybe the upper stage tanks could get integral solar as an option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbodiah Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 You need balanced RCS, solar panels, engines and a docking port integrated. I doubt just adding this to the MUS will work, I'd rather hold out for a dedicated part and just keep using my ATV in the meantime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Low part count matters, but part of the fun of KSP (to me, anyway) is creating novel craft. So I'll take a few extra parts in the name of flexibility. I would much rather have the option to use a tank of parts with an adapter at the top (Perhaps MFT-P, where P is for "pressurized" and it only exists to hold parts, science, LS, etc) and a series of scalable SMs. This allows making all sorts of logistical crafts, but the adapters and variants are designed such that it's possible to make the ESA ATVs (cloth variant for both tank and SM, the ATV style top with small docking port, integral solar, etc. RCS in general needs some options, the stock parts are unattractive, and the stand-alone SSTU ones right now are too large. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowmage Posted June 5, 2017 Author Share Posted June 5, 2017 On 6/2/2017 at 10:44 PM, RedParadize said: @Shadowmage Ok I ran some test without my personal patch. Bit more info. Concerning ZBO tanks, and HLOX.... it is almost mandatory that you setup the LH2 in its own separate fuel tank if you want to see any of the advantages of the higher ISP from the engine. Hopefully this table will tell the tale... The total at the bottom of the 'Total Mass(wet)' column would be the full vessel mass. Note the massive difference in vessel mass between the 'full ZBO' and 'split ZBO' tank setups (with split representing two actual fuel tank parts, one for LH2, one for OX). Now, when running the numbers for pure LH2 setups (e.g. for nukes), there are no such oddities. Nor when running the numbers for pure KLOX. KLOX setup for comparison (using the 320ISP Merlin from above): Note the -massive- difference in vessel mass between the 'standard' and 'lightweight' tanks on the KLOX side (lightweight is far, far, better at that range). Also note, that when using a proper 'split-ZBO' tank setup, the HLOX craft comes out far ahead of the KLOX setup (~150t vessel vs. ~305t vessel); but if using the standard 'full-ZBO' tank, HLOX loses out considerably to a 'lightweight' KLOX tank setup (716t vs 307t), but is still far better than a 'standard tank' KLOX setup (716t vs 1286t). Honestly, aside from the quirk of the 'zero boiloff' penalty for the oxidizer in the tanks, I would say the 'zero boiloff' and 'lightweight' balancing is right about where they need to be. Just remember that you might need separate LH2 tanks anytime you want ZBO for HLOX setups, and you should be good (or rather, just remember that ZBO tanks also penalize you for non-cryo fuels). Edit: Note -- I may have miscalculated the advantage of the 'lightweight' tank a bit, using 0.5x the standard mass fraction; when looking at my config files it is actually 0.75x, so the advantage of 'lightweight' is not as great as posted above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjsharks39 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 2 hours ago, Jimbodiah said: That is the last 1.2.2 release, it works fine; I still run a 1.2.2 RSS copy with it. I just installed the latest build and I discovered a hidden gem in there; the SSTU-HECS. I was wondering if you would ever make a satellite we could use on contract missions. Good to see you are looking at it I can't get it to load. I was getting errors on 1.2.2 with the current version of SSTU, so I came here looking for answers. Sounds like I have to revert... no problem. Found this link, downloaded, and installed it. I'm getting an infinite loading screen that no longer gets errors, but the wheels keep spinning at loading SSTU and no progress happens. Any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbodiah Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 @tater There is an ATV .craft on the repository thread. It has a small tank for the SM part and I added a medium COS hab for the cargo ection (own patch to have different loadouts, mainly LS and some hypergolics). here with a small cargo section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 (edited) Still working on summer schedule for kids... so I can mess around a little during the day: MUS tank, a few stock MP engines (If I had a couple more mods in my SSTU 1.3 test build I could have made it better), and a probe core (does the upper stage have that? I forgot to check), the nose is another tank with an adaptor, and I clipped it, plus the docking port. So way too many parts at 12. Plus recolored white (dull for the lines between panels) Edited July 1, 2017 by tater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbodiah Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, sjsharks39 said: I can't get it to load. I was getting errors on 1.2.2 with the current version of SSTU, so I came here looking for answers. Sounds like I have to revert... no problem. Found this link, downloaded, and installed it. I'm getting an infinite loading screen that no longer gets errors, but the wheels keep spinning at loading SSTU and no progress happens. Any ideas? You need to remove all the new SSTU and extra folders that came with it (kspwheels, community resource pack and module manager 2.8.0 file). The re-install the old SSTU and module manager 2.7.5. Module Manager uses the latest version, so make sure you don't have 2.8.0 installed as well. Edited June 5, 2017 by Jimbodiah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedParadize Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 @Shadowmage That explain everything, thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowmage Posted June 5, 2017 Author Share Posted June 5, 2017 6 hours ago, tater said: RCS in general needs some options, the stock parts are unattractive, and the stand-alone SSTU ones right now are too large. I've been giving quite a bit of thought on how to pull off some 'better' RCS ports. While I don't think I can fix the part-count issue (aside from offering integrated ports whenever possible), I'm fairly certain I can pull off some 'modular part' style RCS ports -- allowing for configuring the number of ports and layout (positions/angles, configurable through config like engine layouts), changing of the body style, port style, textures, and optional attachment arm selection. Oh, and scale (and thus thrust); possibly with an additional range of control for thrust as well as thrust scaling with model scale. Still early in the thinking stage, could see it being developed along with the lander core stuff and/or service-module stuff, but couldn't say much more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedParadize Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Integrated RCS would be nice. Alternatively, a procedural ring with configurable RCS around it would also do the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbodiah Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Wasn't there already a base with rcs nozzles integrated in the MFT tanks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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