KSP in Win 10? Does it work?

[TronX33]

So, yeah. I held off upgrading, but now I'm contemplating upgrading to Windows 10. However, if it breaks compatibility wit KSP, I won't do it. Is anyone running KSP with Win 10? Even f it is in compatibility mode, I'm fine, as long as KSP works.

[Tank Buddy]

I have heard it does, but I have not upgraded. I am interested to know if mods and stuff works too.

[EladDv]

it does. no problem nothing changed for me on this regard

[qromodynmc]

Im running it on Windows 10, No difference here.

[jaredkzr]

I've had zero issues with KSP and win 10. Actually, there's more functionality since Win10 natively supports screen recording. This means you don't need a program like FRAPS to record your gameplay if you're into Youtube.

[Alshain]

I ran it just fine on Windows 10... then I reverted back to Windows 7 cause Windows 10 sucks

[Xyphos]

KSP works in Win10

After I upgraded to Win10, the always-on, always-watching built-in spyware forced me to install Ubuntu Linux instead.

Now I play 64-bit Linux KSP, R.I.P. Windows, I'll never go back.

[smjjames]

KSP works in Win10

After I upgraded to Win10, the always-on, always-watching built-in spyware forced me to install Ubuntu Linux instead.

Now I play 64-bit Linux KSP, R.I.P. Windows, I'll never go back.

What spyware would that be? I'm mulling over whether I should upgrade to windows 10 myself.

[Alshain]

What spyware would that be? I'm mulling over whether I should upgrade to windows 10 myself.

That isn't so much a big deal. It has accounts, like an iPhone or a Android phone and you have to log in to use Apps from the store. There are usage statistics and such but they are optional (however they are on by default and you have to search to figure out how to turn them off).

My big issue is that Windows updates are forced. That in itself wouldn't be a big deal, but so are driver upgrades. Nvidia put out some really crappy drivers that caused certain games like Elite: Dangerous to crash. If you uninstall them and try to install the old ones, Windows Update decides it knows better than you and installs the new ones anyway. So then they provided a way to turn that off, via a separate downloadable program rather than built in, and it doesn't work. In the end, it is a bigger headache that it is worth if you are using Windows 7. If you are using Window 8, why haven't you upgraded yet?

Windows 7 is the ultimate Windows operating system, in Microsoft's efforts to do better they continually fail.

Edited September 9, 2015 by Alshain

[Xyphos]

My big issue is that Windows updates are forced.

oh yeah, and I forgot about the 0-day exploits in the form of mandatory "Updates", in which your computer will reboot with little or no warning, even if the Updates are "disabled".

[Xavven]

My 2 cents as a career IT professional in Desktop Support for a university is that 0-day exploits are a serious emergency. It usually means the exploit allows an attacker to gain control of your computer, and that the exploit is being actively used. The risk of not patching immediately outweighs the inconvenience of a reboot.

That said...

Forced reboots without warning are not acceptable in most of our supported areas, so we patch ASAP and prompt for reboots immediately (with notable exceptions for some departments, but we manually patch those ASAP too). Even for your home computer, I would discourage you from disabling Windows Updates. By default, Windows 10 will prompt you asking for a reboot but not force one unless you've already postponed for something like 2 days straight.

As for Microsoft's recent spyware-like behaviors, make sure that during installation you customize your privacy settings. I turn most of them off. You can also decline to use a Microsoft account and instead sign on using a local account, and then lastly you want to turn off Full error reporting under Settings -> Privacy -> Feedback & diagnostics (I use "Enhanced").

I can't comment much on the driver problem Alshain mentioned, as I haven't had that issue on my home computer (ATI/AMD graphics card here), and we use endpoint management systems like SCCM to control what updates are made available to our work computers and customers to avoid driver issues. However, have you tried disabling driver updates from System Properties? Press windowskey+pause/break, then the "Change Settings" link on the right, then the Hardware tab, then Device Installation Settings. Again, I haven't needed to set that myself but in theory it does what it says it does.

[Renegrade]

I've run KSP 0.22 on my older laptop - it did run. I didn't enjoy the painful installation or forever-bootup-and-login junk(even though I specified a local-only account), nor the intrusive online crap etc.

The performance was roughly on par with XP or 7, but we're talking a 32-bit installation of KSP 0.22 vanilla. Not sure how fun it would be with a heavy mod load; 10 was guzzling up 800 megabytes all by its loathsome lonesome 32-bit self.

Oh well, the little lady is terrified of it, and it's fun to chase her around the unit with the laptop.

I ran it just fine on Windows 10... then I reverted back to Windows 7 cause Windows 10 sucks

Hear, hear!

That isn't so much a big deal. It has accounts, like an iPhone or a Android phone and you have to log in to use Apps from the store. There are usage statistics and such but they are optional (however they are on by default and you have to search to figure out how to turn them off).

Due to a recent move, I've been forced onto a cable-modem based solution, which pretty much dies once or twice a week in the evenings. That always-on bull-crap will be epically fun then. Like, throat cancer level of fun.

My big issue is that Windows updates are forced. That in itself wouldn't be a big deal, but so are driver upgrades. Nvidia put out some really crappy drivers that caused certain games like Elite: Dangerous to crash.

Yeah - that could be a big issue. There was a series of nVidia drivers after 314 but before 330-ish that caused my desktop to reboot randomly. By running 314 throughout that period, I was able to have a stable experience. I haven't had THAT issue since then, but this Elite: Dangerous issue sounds like it would involve drivers in the 340-350 range.

Windows 7 is the ultimate Windows operating system, in Microsoft's efforts to do better they continually fail.

It still sucks eggs for GDI-based apps. XP was the king of GDI. Other than that, yeah. I call it the "final version of Windows", and say, "they'll have to do better than 'free'".

My 2 cents as a career IT professional in Desktop Support for a university is that 0-day exploits are a serious emergency. It usually means the exploit allows an attacker to gain control of your computer, and that the exploit is being actively used. The risk of not patching immediately outweighs the inconvenience of a reboot.

...which is why Microsoft releases these patches on a monthly cycle. Weeks after they're reported. Most of the exploits are local-only anyhow. To attack a properly set up system, an attacker would typically have to overcome an external firewall, or tempt the user into visiting a malicious website or somesuch.

If you were really serious about closing such holes, you'd use an apt-based Linux distro. I can't recall the last time I had to reboot to install their patches.

[cantab]

I can't comment much on the driver problem Alshain mentioned, as I haven't had that issue on my home computer (ATI/AMD graphics card here), and we use endpoint management systems like SCCM to control what updates are made available to our work computers and customers to avoid driver issues.

This highlights the way things are going for Windows 10. Complex, powerful tools will allow businesses to control their software updates to ensure there are no bugs, but home users are now denied even a modicum of such control and are essentially made unpaid beta testers whether they want it or not. Which in turn is probably one reason why MS were happy to not charge such users for Windows 10.

As for the privacy stuff, well it's pretty poor how much information Windows 10 tries to take and how many different options you have to set to prevent it. More seriously, perhaps, is that Microsoft's "unified" terms and privacy policy mean they claim sweeping legal powers over people's computers. They may not be disabling your hardware or reading your files now, but they're claiming the right to do so at any time in future, and I think people are right to be wary of that.

[Xavven]

...which is why Microsoft releases these patches on a monthly cycle. Weeks after they're reported. Most of the exploits are local-only anyhow. To attack a properly set up system, an attacker would typically have to overcome an external firewall, or tempt the user into visiting a malicious website or somesuch.

If you were really serious about closing such holes, you'd use an apt-based Linux distro. I can't recall the last time I had to reboot to install their patches.

Hm, well I may be unfamiliar with how you're using the term 0-day, but at my office (we're over 200 full time IT professionals since our university is fairly large) a "zero day patch" is one that's released out of band (i.e. not on patch Tuesday) because the vulnerability is being exploited in the wild. Vulnerabilities that aren't as serious go into the usual monthly patch cycle. There's also some ambiguity over whether the monthly patch cycle will continue for Windows 10 and instead switch to a continuous model, although that hasn't happened quite yet (we had an August 11th patch Tuesday after Windows 10 released).

Linux is great, don't get me wrong, but there are countless applications that are developed for Windows and OS X that aren't matched by an equivalent (and by equivalent I mean enterprise level) product for Linux that our staff and faculty require. Of course we run a lot of Linux servers, but our end-user base is about 60% Windows and 40% OS X, and some small insignificant percentage Linux. How practical do you think it would be for my office to tell a 60 year old tenured faculty member that we're switching them to RHEL? No matter your OS allegiances, we have to train our IT staff to meet the client's business needs, and avoid whenever possible imposing our own technical preferences on the end-user just to make IT's job easier.

This highlights the way things are going for Windows 10. Complex, powerful tools will allow businesses to control their software updates to ensure there are no bugs, but home users are now denied even a modicum of such control and are essentially made unpaid beta testers whether they want it or not. Which in turn is probably one reason why MS were happy to not charge such users for Windows 10.

As for the privacy stuff, well it's pretty poor how much information Windows 10 tries to take and how many different options you have to set to prevent it. More seriously, perhaps, is that Microsoft's "unified" terms and privacy policy mean they claim sweeping legal powers over people's computers. They may not be disabling your hardware or reading your files now, but they're claiming the right to do so at any time in future, and I think people are right to be wary of that.

I think you missed my suggestion about how to turn off the driver updates on your home machine. In other words, I think you do have that modicum of control.

I agree about the privacy stuff. By the way, are you a fan of Google? Here's the shocker -- they're worse. For example, when it comes to cloud storage, we're actually recommending MS OneDrive over Google Drive, because after examining the agreements, MS is the lesser of two evils in terms of privacy and data security.

[carneyvich]

i have upgraded its fine for me

[Alshain]

I think you missed my suggestion about how to turn off the driver updates on your home machine. In other words, I think you do have that modicum of control.

You, in fact, don't. That driver update disabling is ignored.

Never been a fan of google. I have a YouTube account that I use just for keeping track of my favorite streamers, but I even use Duck Duck Go because signing into YouTube signs me into google which is annoying. I'd just as soon not use their crappy products.

Edited September 10, 2015 by Alshain

[Renegrade]

Hm, well I may be unfamiliar with how you're using the term 0-day, but at my office (we're over 200 full time IT professionals since our university is fairly large) a "zero day patch" is one that's released out of band (i.e. not on patch Tuesday) because the vulnerability is being exploited in the wild. Vulnerabilities that aren't as serious go into the usual monthly patch cycle.

Trust me, if an exploit exists, and is reported at all (say, at the NVD or such), the blackhats have been using it for the past six months to fifteen years already. Microsoft rarely, and I mean RARELY, issues 0-day patches. I always review my own patches, and the last time I saw a solo 'a security issue has been identified...' type patch was ... last year sometime? Yet, every month, I see a whole slew of important "a security issue has been identified..." updates waiting. Often of fairly serious flaws. Fortunately, my personal equipment is all secured from any possible remote-side-initiated remote access via a hardware firewall, so my own personal concern is rather minimal. Having to deal with that in the field is incredibly obnoxious.

There's also some ambiguity over whether the monthly patch cycle will continue for Windows 10 and instead switch to a continuous model, although that hasn't happened quite yet (we had an August 11th patch Tuesday after Windows 10 released).

I remember this patch; it made my test box reboot. *cough*

Linux is great, don't get me wrong, but there are countless applications that are developed for Windows and OS X that aren't matched by an equivalent (and by equivalent I mean enterprise level) product for Linux that our staff and faculty require.

'Enterprise' usually means 'overpriced junk with extremely high TCO that interferes with productivity' in my experience. It's an almost as bad tag as "Pro". Is there anything in specific you're looking for, by the way? I might know some software you could investigate - although I've never found an actual need in a corporate environment that can't be solved by basic e-mail, an XMPP chat/conferece program, Mediawiki, and users that have more than forty IQ.

Also watch out when users start crying about 'need'. You should see some of the art created in Blender. Those people didn't NEED Maya. I get by just fine with GIMP and Bibble Labs, I don't need Photoshop or Lightroom or such.

Of course we run a lot of Linux servers, but our end-user base is about 60% Windows and 40% OS X, and some small insignificant percentage Linux. How practical do you think it would be for my office to tell a 60 year old tenured faculty member that we're switching them to RHEL? No matter your OS allegiances, we have to train our IT staff to meet the client's business needs, and avoid whenever possible imposing our own technical preferences on the end-user just to make IT's job easier.

I don't do end user support, not even in my networking/administration roles, so I can't comment on your staff problems. What do you do when they're using XP, which is no longer supported even remotely? Even XP server (Server 2003) is retired at this point. Moving 'em to 7/8/10 will give 'em as much OS shock as RHEL (rather bland, and I've always hated the RPM system), Debian (much better from an admin view, although not the friendliest desktop environment), Mint(now we're talking desktop environment, although not the greatest back end), Ubuntu(it's like a Mac, only not $7,200), etc.

Really though, people who suffer from that sort of OS shock probably need to be locked down completely, or else they've probably already imported nasty MS-compatible malware into your organization.

I've worked for, around, and with big business for a long time(mostly US companies, we don't seem to do big business in Canada anymore), and I don't think I've ever seen anybody have their technical needs defined as 'whatever the end user is comfortable with'...and certainly never seen OS X permitted anywhere.

I agree about the privacy stuff. By the way, are you a fan of Google? Here's the shocker -- they're worse. For example, when it comes to cloud storage, we're actually recommending MS OneDrive over Google Drive, because after examining the agreements, MS is the lesser of two evils in terms of privacy and data security.

I'm not disagreeing with your point here, but I'd like to point out that they're ONLY the lesser of two evils due to rampant incompetence . I avoid 'em (and Apple..and others) like the plague.

Anyhow, we're getting rather off-topic here.

[Corw]

That isn't so much a big deal. It has accounts, like an iPhone or a Android phone and you have to log in to use Apps from the store. There are usage statistics and such but they are optional (however they are on by default and you have to search to figure out how to turn them off).

My big issue is that Windows updates are forced. That in itself wouldn't be a big deal, but so are driver upgrades. Nvidia put out some really crappy drivers that caused certain games like Elite: Dangerous to crash. If you uninstall them and try to install the old ones, Windows Update decides it knows better than you and installs the new ones anyway. So then they provided a way to turn that off, via a separate downloadable program rather than built in, and it doesn't work. In the end, it is a bigger headache that it is worth if you are using Windows 7. If you are using Window 8, why haven't you upgraded yet?

Windows 7 is the ultimate Windows operating system, in Microsoft's efforts to do better they continually fail.

From what I've read, you'll get same forced update functionality on Win7 too, so resistance is futile. I must say I was shocked how much things I was asked to share with MS on upgrade. But it works well, no problems, no regrets (so far).

[Foxster]

Despite the dire warnings from the foil-hat guys above, I have found KSP to work with zero problems under Windows 10 and it is also the best OS I have used from MS to date.

[Alshain]

From what I've read, you'll get same forced update functionality on Win7 too, so resistance is futile. I must say I was shocked how much things I was asked to share with MS on upgrade. But it works well, no problems, no regrets (so far).

How exactly would they do that? Through an update... that I choose not to install?

[steve_v]

Anyhow, we're getting rather off-topic here.

Agreed, on all counts. I can't express such (with more rep) at this point, but I will try not to derail the thread further, as tempting as it is.

So yeah, KSP should work fine on Windows 10. so long as you're comfortable with it's other issues. And those lovely forced updates don't bungle your GPU drivers.

Edited September 10, 2015 by steve_v
Remove derailment device, address topic.

[Joshwoo70]

Yup totally working .. using win 10 and it fli- runs like a charm.

[Corw]

How exactly would they do that? Through an update... that I choose not to install?

Well, yes You must understand that I would never sift trough every update and its description. If I have to personally oversee every thing someone is pushing, why am I using their service to start with? But hey, that is just me If it was work related and this was falling under my job tasks, OK. But for my home personal use? No way.

[steve_v]

Blindly trust a software vendor like M$ not to break my stuff? Install updates without reading patch notes and bug reports? *shudder*

I'll just go hide somewhere for a while.

[marach]

You, in fact, don't. That driver update disabling is ignored.

Never been a fan of google. I have a YouTube account that I use just for keeping track of my favorite streamers, but I even use Duck Duck Go because signing into YouTube signs me into google which is annoying. I'd just as soon not use their crappy products.

Why not just flick the big switch marked "defer updates"? Delays updates upto 2 months iirc. Can't remember for sure though since I'm in the fast ring and actually a couple of windows versions ahead of the consumer ring right now...