Is this alternate solar system possible?

[Spaceception]

35 minutes ago, fredinno said:

Also, ChrisSpace, Spaceeption, we MAY have a problem. I read the article on Eris, and it turns out that Eris could not be named Phersephone as there was already an asteroid named after it. There are asteroids named things like ganymed, but they all remove a letter, and thus bypass the "non-repeating names rule." We MAY have to rename a few things. The objects that may have to be renamed are litsed below. 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/28_Bellona

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/399_Persephone

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1862_Apollo

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/93_Minerva

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/94_Aurora

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eris_(dwarf_planet)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/29_Amphitrite

 

Dang. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_deities

http://www.gods-and-monsters.com/list-of-greek-gods-goddesses.html

 

I would like to rename Aurora Zelus, after the god of Zeal, Rivalry, and Jealousy. I would imagine it would be jealous of its larger counterpart in the sky.

I'm looking up names now, I'll post in a few minutes with suitable replacements.

[Spaceception]

For Bellona: Ares.

For Persephone: Hebe

For Apollo: Muses

For Minerva: Athena

For Eris: Nyx

For Amphitrite: Ceto

[fredinno]

Minerva>Tempestes, as Tempestes was a roman god of storms, and this is an ocean planet, likely with lots of storms.

Phersephone> Nerus, Nerus was the former sea god before Poesidon/Neptune. Seems fitting for a ice giant with an ocean.

Bellona> Enyo, as Enyo is the greek equivilent to Bellona.

Apollo > Erebus, as Erepbus was a god of darkness, and this is a moon of a dark carbon planet...

Ampridite> Celaeno, as she was one of Poeseidon (Neptune's) many wives, and Celaeno is a ice giant.

Eris > Pontus, as Pontus is a moon of a frozen ocean planet. Pontus was an ancient greek ocean god.

 

7 minutes ago, Spaceception said:

For Bellona: Ares.

For Persephone: Hebe

For Apollo: Muses

For Minerva: Athena

For Eris: Nyx

For Amphitrite: Ceto

Hebe is already an asteroid.

Muses is the name of a category of asteroids. Might lead to some confusion. http://tribes.tribe.net/asteroid_astrology/thread/49136b66-10dc-48ef-8286-82f4abe122b9

The asteroid Pallas is already nameds after Pallas Athena. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_Pallas

Nyx is a moon of Pluto.

Ceto is a binary TNO. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/65489_Ceto

The only good one here is really Ares.

 

Edited February 1, 2016 by fredinno

[Spaceception]

6 minutes ago, fredinno said:

Minerva>Tempestes, as Tempestes was a roman god of storms, and this is an ocean planet, likely with lots of storms.

Phersephone> Nerus, Nerus was the former sea god before Poesidon/Neptune. Seems fitting for a ice giant with an ocean.

Bellona> Enyo, as Enyo is the greek equivilent to Bellona.

Apollo > Erebus, as Erepbus was a god of darkness, and this is a moon of a dark carbon planet...

Ampridite> Celaeno, as she was one of Poeseidon (Neptune's) many wives, and Celaeno is a ice giant.

Eris > Pontus, as Pontus is a moon of a frozen ocean planet. Pontus was an ancient greek ocean god.

 

The following is at the top of the 14th page.

And a second moon for ChrisSpace:

Erebus:

Named for the Greek god of shadows, it has a well picked name, as the moon is covered in a substance much like soot, absorbing 98% of the almost nonexistent light hitting it, it's also about the size/mass of Ceres (Slightly larger) with a very wide 1 year long orbit, and an average temp is just 2 c above absolute zero, making it almost impossible to detect, however, the main reason it was possible to detect it in the first place, was because of the wide (Wide for Erebus anyway) system of rings surrounding it, which were though to have come from several Asteroid moons that got too close.

0.05 g

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Erebus won't work

Edited February 1, 2016 by Spaceception

[fredinno]

35 minutes ago, Findthepin1 said:

Why don't we just not have those asteroids in the alternate universe? Like, in Seveneves they have an asteroid called Amalthea even thought there's a moon named Amalthea IRL but it doesn't seem to exist in the book. That way we could keep Bellona and Persephone and Apollo and Minerva and Aurora and Eris and Amphitrite. Speaking of Amphitrite, I thought we couldn't put it into the system?

Because some of them, like Eris and https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/28_Bellona are relatively important.

And this is not Seveneves. And we already have made new names.

And I might incorporate Amphitirite in some form into Nibiru, so I wanted to play it safe. 

5 minutes ago, Spaceception said:

The following is at the top of the 14th page.

And a second moon for ChrisSpace:

Erebus:

Named for the Greek god of shadows, it has a well picked name, as the moon is covered in a substance much like soot, absorbing 98% of the almost nonexistent light hitting it, it's also about the size/mass of Ceres (Slightly larger) with a very wide 1 year long orbit, and an average temp is just 2 c above absolute zero, making it almost impossible to detect, however, the main reason it was possible to detect it in the first place, was because of the wide (Wide for Erebus anyway) system of rings surrounding it, which were though to have come from several Asteroid moons that got too close.

0.05 g

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Erebus won't work

ok then. Achlys sounds like a good one. The greek godess of eternal night.

Edited February 1, 2016 by fredinno

[Spaceception]

13 minutes ago, fredinno said:

Hebe is already an asteroid.

Muses is the name of a category of asteroids. Might lead to some confusion. http://tribes.tribe.net/asteroid_astrology/thread/49136b66-10dc-48ef-8286-82f4abe122b9

The asteroid Pallas is already nameds after Pallas Athena. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_Pallas

Nyx is a moon of Pluto.

Ceto is a binary TNO. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/65489_Ceto

The only good one here is really Ares.

*Sigh* There aren't enough good names anymore, they keep getting taken!

[fredinno]

14 minutes ago, Spaceception said:

*Sigh* There aren't enough good names anymore, they keep getting taken!

They decided to use them all when they thought asteroids were planets... 

[Spaceception]

36 minutes ago, fredinno said:

They decided to use them all when they thought asteroids were planets... 

Well, you do have some good planet/moon ideas.

[fredinno]

On 1/30/2016 at 0:30 PM, Spaceception said:

@fredinno

Fredinnus:

2.1x the mass of Jupiter | 70737 km | Temp -272 c | 5.42 g | Albedo .34 | Day/Night cycle 10 hours | Magnetic field 12000 Gauss (1.2 Tesla) | Materials 1.92% Silicate, 4.26% Water, and 93.8% Hydrogen |

It lasted for 117068 years, before I closed it out.

Hey... um, Gas Giants lack water because it disintegrates from the higher temperatures of a gas giant's interior. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter#Possibility_of_life

Also, Jupiter has a composition of approx 71% hydrogen, 24% helium and 5% other elements by mass. Probably mix that last number between silicates and Iron.

Also, that's a LOT of Gs. Are you sure you're correct on that one?

Also, isn't it supposed to be called Crisplance?

On the top-most layer of the atmosphere, Hydrogen should freeze due to being a rouge planet- turning into hydrogen snow, which precipitates and heats back up into Gas. That should make this thing more interesting.

 

One last thing- how should this thing form, by ejection, or like a star, via gas cloud collapse?

[Spaceception]

4 minutes ago, fredinno said:

Also, that's a LOT of Gs. Are you sure you're correct on that one?

Also, isn't it supposed to be called Crisplance?

On the top-most layer of the atmosphere, Hydrogen should freeze due to being a rouge planet- turning into hydrogen snow, which precipitates and heats back up into Gas. That should make this thing more interesting.

 

One last thing- how should this thing form, by ejection, or like a star, via gas cloud collapse?

Yes.

Crud.

I don't know how to do that, so we'll imagine that it does that, but it is cool.

Gas cloud.

Edited February 1, 2016 by Spaceception

[ChrisSpace]

10 hours ago, silversliver said:

Download:https://www.dropbox.com/s/f94gogee96jc0f3/alternatesolar%200.1.zip?dl=0

I... Wow, you have put waaay more effort into than even I expected. Very few issues so far, but I would like to see them be solved.

- Vulcan's density is unrealistically low. Also I think it should be tidally locked.

- Why did you make Venus bigger than Earth rather than keep its physical characteristics in OTL? Also, why is the atmosphere thicker than Earth's? If anything I would expect it would be slightly thinner. Also, the temperature.

- Luna's atmospheric pressure is a little low. Also, did you make it any bigger at all? I can't tell.

- Mars' atmosphere is too thin and the planet itself is way too massive. It's supposed to have the same size as in OTL, remember?

- Bellona has an unrealistically low density.

- Minerva is supposed to be way bigger than Earth! IIRC it was meant to be like 8x Earth's mass with over twice its surface gravity. And where is all its atmosphere?

4 hours ago, Spaceception said:

For Bellona: Ares.

For Persephone: Hebe

For Apollo: Muses

For Minerva: Athena

For Eris: Nyx

For Amphitrite: Ceto

Why don't we just not have the asteroids that took up these names in OTL?

[Spaceception]

6 minutes ago, ChrisSpace said:

- Mars' atmosphere is too thin and the planet itself is way too massive. It's supposed to have the same size as in OTL, remember?

 

Why don't we just not have the asteroids that took up these names in OTL?

He made it before you changed Mars' mass to OTL.

Bring it up with fredinno.

[fredinno]

37 minutes ago, Spaceception said:

Yes.

Crud.

I don't know how to do that, so we'll imagine that it does that, but it is cool.

Gas cloud.

ok, thanks.

22 minutes ago, Spaceception said:

He made it before you changed Mars' mass to OTL.

Bring it up with fredinno.

yeah, even the older version should have had a 50% Earth atospher to work. I was never a fan of the terraformed idea.

31 minutes ago, ChrisSpace said:

I... Wow, you have put waaay more effort into than even I expected. Very few issues so far, but I would like to see them be solved.

- Vulcan's density is unrealistically low. Also I think it should be tidally locked.

- Why did you make Venus bigger than Earth rather than keep its physical characteristics in OTL? Also, why is the atmosphere thicker than Earth's? If anything I would expect it would be slightly thinner. Also, the temperature.

- Luna's atmospheric pressure is a little low. Also, did you make it any bigger at all? I can't tell.

- Mars' atmosphere is too thin and the planet itself is way too massive. It's supposed to have the same size as in OTL, remember?

- Bellona has an unrealistically low density.

- Minerva is supposed to be way bigger than Earth! IIRC it was meant to be like 8x Earth's mass with over twice its surface gravity. And where is all its atmosphere?

Why don't we just not have the asteroids that took up these names in OTL?

Actually, Minerva's mass was more like 6x, but still. 

 

Too late. Also, Eris is too important to remove, and we were using that name too.

[silversliver]

7 hours ago, ChrisSpace said:

- Vulcan's density is unrealistically low. Also I think it should be tidally locked.

- Why did you make Venus bigger than Earth rather than keep its physical characteristics in OTL? Also, why is the atmosphere thicker than Earth's? If anything I would expect it would be slightly thinner. Also, the temperature.

- Luna's atmospheric pressure is a little low. Also, did you make it any bigger at all? I can't tell.

- Mars' atmosphere is too thin and the planet itself is way too massive. It's supposed to have the same size as in OTL, remember?

- Bellona has an unrealistically low density.

- Minerva is supposed to be way bigger than Earth! IIRC it was meant to be like 8x Earth's mass with over twice its surface gravity. And where is all its atmosphere?

1)The densities and orbital parameters will be corrected when I have the masses and orbits.

2)I can't simulate properly the temperature in SpaceEngine, but I'll correct the atmosphere. Same thing as before for the mass.

3)No, actually Luna is the same dimension of OTL because it requires a bit of calculations (that I'll do later) to move a binary system like this.

4)I'll correct the atmosphere. Same thing as before for the mass.

5) See 1

6)Last time I checked the atmosphere was still the same of the first image that I showed. And still is that way for me. Maybe it got corrupted. Same thing as before for the mass.

[fredinno]

10 hours ago, silversliver said:

1)The densities and orbital parameters will be corrected when I have the masses and orbits.

2)I can't simulate properly the temperature in SpaceEngine, but I'll correct the atmosphere. Same thing as before for the mass.

3)No, actually Luna is the same dimension of OTL because it requires a bit of calculations (that I'll do later) to move a binary system like this.

4)I'll correct the atmosphere. Same thing as before for the mass.

5) See 1

6)Last time I checked the atmosphere was still the same of the first image that I showed. And still is that way for me. Maybe it got corrupted. Same thing as before for the mass.

1. I'm pretty sure that stuff was done with the US2 sims. If not, we'll have to run more, I guess. Also, I already gave the masses.

[fredinno]

bump. any new updates, guys?

[Spaceception]

3 hours ago, fredinno said:

bump. any new updates, guys?

What do we need done? Sorry, my mom took over my computer (Hers broke) so I can't really use it during the day.

[ChrisSpace]

4 hours ago, fredinno said:

bump. any new updates, guys?

I think we're just waiting for the SE mod to be updated.

[fredinno]

4 hours ago, Spaceception said:

What do we need done? Sorry, my mom took over my computer (Hers broke) so I can't really use it during the day.

Maybe do the simulations for Jupiter and its moons, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune. You know. I still am plowing through everything we did so far (and no, I have NO been playing too much KSP )

But's it's 1 in the morning now, so I think I should stop and get down to sleep.

[Spaceception]

4 hours ago, fredinno said:

Maybe do the simulations for Jupiter and its moons, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune. You know. I still am plowing through everything we did so far (and no, I have NO been playing too much KSP )

But's it's 1 in the morning now, so I think I should stop and get down to sleep.

Alright.

[silversliver]

You probably need to wait a little for the next update because my evil plan is to release updates only when I add something new to the system.

[ChrisSpace]

7 hours ago, silversliver said:

You probably need to wait a little for the next update because my evil plan is to release updates only when I add something new to the system.

Okay, so long as you remember to fix everything else along the way!

[Spaceception]

Jupiter same (OTL)

Laythe

Mass 9.3 Moons | Radii 3286 km | Temp 20 c| Tidally locked | .43 gees  (It wouldn't let me change its radius) | Atm pressure 7.8 Atm (Hey, it's a survivable pressure, and you wanted 20 c) | Albedo .24 | Magnetic field .2 Gauss | Materials Iron 19.8%, Silicate 80.1%, Water 0.0943%, Organics 0.04% |

Callisto

Mass 1.46 moons | Radii 2507 km | Temp -30 c | 8 hour day/night cycle | .12 gees (I couldn't change its radius) | Albedo .21 | Materials Silicate 82.1% Water 17.8%, Organics 0.1%

Also, I have 2 screenshots (Laythe looked really blue)

 

Edited February 4, 2016 by Spaceception

[silversliver]

3 hours ago, Spaceception said:

(Laythe looked really blue)

The blues (?) and greens of US2 always look more like plastic than terrain.

[Spaceception]

I'll get Saturn tomorrow morning.