Lifting Mjolnir

[EnderKid2]

So, what would be the best way of lifting Thor's hammer? Obviously a helicarrier can lift it, as it doesn't punch right through the deck, so it can be lifted by machines. But then why couldn't Iron Man lift it?

This is obviously a logic problem.

[insert_name]

2 minutes ago, EnderKid2 said:

So, what would be the best way of lifting Thor's hammer? Obviously a helicarrier can lift it, as it doesn't punch right through the deck, so it can be lifted by machines. But then why couldn't Iron Man lift it?

This is obviously a logic problem.

Because iron man is human beneath the suit

[EnderKid2]

So you can't make the action of lifting it, but pressing a button or moving a control stick works, like the helicarrier pilot, who actually lifted it?

[insert_name]

3 minutes ago, EnderKid2 said:

So you can't make the action of lifting it, but pressing a button or moving a control stick works, like the helicarrier pilot, who actually lifted it?

Probably it just prevents organic beings from lifting it, as I'm pretty sure that Thor has fought aliens, but vision (who is a robot) can lift it

[todofwar]

4 minutes ago, EnderKid2 said:

So you can't make the action of lifting it, but pressing a button or moving a control stick works, like the helicarrier pilot, who actually lifted it?

Everyone knows the helicarrier pilot was worthy. Come on, the guy gives to charity, he flew back into a warzone to save a K9 unit (what are these called in the army?), and he has absolute loyalty to his spouse. Plus, he drinks mead and regularly fights to defend his honor. 

Kidding aside, maybe if a machine's controls are "diluted" it' fine? So it would crash a single pilot jet but something like the helicarrier with an entire crew of over a thousand men (probably) can get it done because it's less the actions of an individual. So, the less "human" the controller the easier it is to lift. Advanced AI's would also probably be disqualified. 

2 minutes ago, insert_name said:

Probably it just prevents organic beings from lifting it, as I'm pretty sure that Thor has fought aliens, but vision (who is a robot) can lift it

But Thor did make special mention of that being a reason they could trust him.

[EnderKid2]

So it would work if you put it in an elevator?

[todofwar]

12 minutes ago, EnderKid2 said:

So it would work if you put it in an elevator?

Hmmmm, maybe it's a frame of reference thing? Since the elevator is really just a moving room, you can move the elevator but can't lift Mjolnir from the elevator floor?

[Spaceception]

BECAUSE SCIENCE!!!

[max_creative]

9 minutes ago, Spaceception said:

BECAUSE SCIENCE!!!

EXACTLY! FOR SCIENCE!!!

[max_creative]

Best way = just read the instructions. 

Put it on a falcon heavy. If that doesn't work use the SLS or falcon XX.

[insert_name]

2 hours ago, EnderKid2 said:

So it would work if you put it in an elevator?

I belive that they said in age of ultron that it would

[Rakaydos]

I would think it has more to do with intent.

A helicarrier pilot isnt trying to lift the hammer, he's just trying to fly an airship. Tony, however, was full of intent, and plans for what he did when he succeded.

Captian america was doing it on a bet, he had no plans- until the hammer shifted. "Wait, I can do this? I wonder..." and then he failed.

Vision was trying to make a gesture of trust by passing a weapon to it's owner. not even a sidethought to personal gain.

[Darnok]

http://imgur.com/gallery/XNJn9

[Angeltxilon]

Neil deGrasse Tyson concluded that the mjolnir would be make of neutron degenerated matter and have a weight of 300 billions of elephants...

[Darnok]

5 hours ago, insert_name said:

Probably it just prevents organic beings from lifting it, as I'm pretty sure that Thor has fought aliens, but vision (who is a robot) can lift it

He can lift it because he is righteous. Take a look about way of life and way of thinking of Asgardians... Rogers was closest to those righteous ways, so he could move it a bit. Others are "infected" with current wrong and unnatural way of thinking, so they couldn't even move it.

[p1t1o]

Since the hammer has completely inconsistent behavior, not least the fact that nobody who picks it up is thrust waist-deep into the ground, its obvious that the hammer is:

Not made of conventional or exotic matter, but more of a spacetime construct that gives it a physical boundary but whose other physical properties are not set. If it decides to be heavy, whether or not it gains the other properties related to massive objects is not obligatory (ie: whether or not it gains inertia is an independent choice)

Intelligent, it decides on its own judgement and based on rules known only to itself whether to behave like something very heavy, or not.

Possibly a bona-fide god in-and-of itself.

Ergo: it is easily the most advanced technology featured in the avengers movies.

[K^2]

Yeah, it's obviously some sort of an intelligent agent making distinction between being passively carried by a vehicle after being placed there by someone who is "worthy" as opposed to anyone "unworthy" trying to displace it by whatever means.

So if you want to lift it, you have to convince it that you pass some sort of a mark. Given that we are trying to bypass its natural tendencies, that means tricking it. Whether it's some sort of a consciousness that has to be tricked or merely a very complex algorithm doesn't really make a difference other than in details of implementation. The solution is still going to be more of a psychological or game-theoretical one than a technological one.

[p1t1o]

I want someone to try and pick it up, but just before, you can hear them muttering "Not Hufflepuff, please not Hufflepuff..."

[RainDreamer]

Too bad that inanimate objects can move it around. Otherwise we would have a super powerful anchor with minimal space occupied. Might even be able to anchor a space elevator.

[peadar1987]

3 minutes ago, RainDreamer said:

Too bad that inanimate objects can move it around. Otherwise we would have a super powerful anchor with minimal space occupied. Might even be able to anchor a space elevator.

Mjolnir on earth, tethered to all of the unworthiest people, put in a giant net and boosted past geostationary orbit as a counterweight.

[p1t1o]

7 minutes ago, RainDreamer said:

Too bad that inanimate objects can move it around. Otherwise we would have a super powerful anchor with minimal space occupied. Might even be able to anchor a space elevator.

2 minutes ago, peadar1987 said:

Mjolnir on earth, tethered to all of the unworthiest people, put in a giant net and boosted past geostationary orbit as a counterweight.

There'd have to be a "maximum worthiness limit" in the elevator cars though, otherwise disasters. Though as long as the counterweight has an excess of unworthiness, you should be fine. 

 

[Scotius]

1 hour ago, K^2 said:

Yeah, it's obviously some sort of an intelligent agent making distinction between being passively carried by a vehicle after being placed there by someone who is "worthy" as opposed to anyone "unworthy" trying to displace it by whatever means.

So if you want to lift it, you have to convince it that you pass some sort of a mark. Given that we are trying to bypass its natural tendencies, that means tricking it. Whether it's some sort of a consciousness that has to be tricked or merely a very complex algorithm doesn't really make a difference other than in details of implementation. The solution is still going to be more of a psychological or game-theoretical one than a technological one.

Mere intention of tricking the hammer would make person attempting it unworthy. But it goes even deeper than that - unaware "worthy" person probably would be able to pick and use the Mjolnir without problems - like Vision did.  And of course there was Odin - which was able to not only handle the hammer, but also change its "configuration" with couple of whispered words, thus overriding its "worthiness value" setting. All in all - magical or scientific, Mjolnir is an incredibly advanced and sophisticated item.

[p1t1o]

17 minutes ago, Scotius said:

Mere intention of tricking the hammer would make person attempting it unworthy. But it goes even deeper than that - unaware "worthy" person probably would be able to pick and use the Mjolnir without problems - like Vision did.  And of course there was Odin - which was able to not only handle the hammer, but also change its "configuration" with couple of whispered words, thus overriding its "worthiness value" setting. All in all - magical or scientific, Mjolnir is an incredibly advanced and sophisticated item.

<Odin whispering> "...Login with administrative privileges...delete user: Thor...update Adobe Flash player...."

[Scotius]

Just now, p1t1o said:

<Odin whispering> "...Login with administrative privileges...delete user: Thor...update Adobe Flash player...."

Yeah, probably it was something like that Wasn't Arthur Clarke right, when he said that "Sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." ?

[EnderKid2]

Do you think it wouldn't work if you pressed the button yourself?

gah, why did this post 12 hours from when I submitted it?

Edited April 20, 2016 by EnderKid2
Odd posting delay making post not relevant