Alien response

[Toonu]

I know, it can, and probably is fake. But why someone will make this at night on field with such precise just for fun back in 2001?

What you think about this topic? Can it be real answer or message from aliens to arecibo message?

http://humansarefree.com/2011/02/two-most-important-alien-messages.html

Firstly how big is chance it is fake or real? And if it is real, why noone notice that?

I have more questions, but I hope we'll discuss it and someone will ask too.

Thanks for reply! Ave!

Toonu

EDIT: Yeah and I mean the binary message, not the weird disc at bottom.

Edited June 7, 2016 by Toonu

[Streetwind]

How big is the chance? Near infinitessimally small, I'd wager.

The thing about these crop circles is that they don't survive the application of the scientific method. According to that, you first put up a hypothesis that these are of alien origin. Then you present that proposal to the scientific community, armed with evidence that supports your hypothesis. You need to be able to say: here is a definite reason why this message is alien origin; one that precludes the possibility of it being of human origin. Two phrases that often come up at this point are "Occam's Razor" - a maxim that states that the simplest potential solution should be favored as the most likely one - and "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".

At this point, the crop circles hypothesis already fails - there is no element anywhere, in any of these, that isn't possible to explain through human action. Saying "but the effort involved..!" doesn't count. I mean please. Humans have put people on the surface of the Moon and brought them back safely. Humans can carve a darn image into a cornfield with reasonable enough precision for the resolution of a helicopter photography. Especially if they can get a rise out of others in the process

The case is not made better for the crop circles because neither of them is an original creation. Wouldn't an intelligent species trying to communicate with us through artwork carved into cornfields find something original and useful for communication to draw? But no, both of them show human creations. One is a message that humans sent into space; the other is a representation of a photo that a human-built robot took. Actually, worse, it shows the human misinterpretation (through a phenomenon called pareidolia) of a photo that a human-built robot took. How could this possibly be of alien origin? The number of factors that would have to come into play for an arbitrary alien species to not only suffer from the same kind of pareidolia as we do, but to recognize the fact that we would misinterpretate that particular image, and then go and make a useless joke to us about it, is astronomically small. It is literally more likely that you will get struck by lightning as you read this sentence. Yes, even indoors.

But let's say you managed to present such evidence. Next, a process called "peer review" starts, in which fellow scientists examine your paper and do one (or both) of two things. First, they examine your methods, looking for systematic errors that you may have overlooked, which created a falsified result; also, they look for signs of quackery. Second, they set out to specifically disprove your findings by developing alternate solutions or explanations. This isn't actually a hostile act; disproving hypotheses is vital to science. For example, the whole current hunt for "planet nine" is only even a thing because a team of the highest ranked planetary scientists went and specifically tried to disprove its existence... and in the process, found that they couldn't. A hypothesis that cannot be directly disproven gains credibility and warrants further study.

Can the "crop circles are alien messages" hypothesis survive peer review? Can it survive methodical attempts to disassemble and destroy it? So far, it hasn't, because it never even got this far.

 

Ergo, the crop circles are a human creation unless conclusively proven (not just speculated) otherwise.

 

Edited June 7, 2016 by Streetwind

[pxi]

19 hours ago, Toonu said:

I know, it can, and probably is fake. But why someone will make this at night on field with such precise just for fun back in 2001?

People have done many things just as elaborate for giggles.

Also, you do have to bear in mind crop circles have been a thing for decades.  One-upmanship between circlemakers is the most likely explanation as to why designs like these appear.

[kerbiloid]

20 hours ago, Streetwind said:

Can the "crop circles are alien messages" hypothesis survive peer review?

There's one more case, as it's vividly shown in "Spore".
You can put a crop circling device on your ship and just prank them with no aim, just for boredom.
So,it can be just a graffiti, not a message.

[p1t1o]

Peer review, schmeer review. I would bet everything I have, have ever had, and ever will have, that this is not aliens.

Decades and decades and decades of crop circles have been conclusively shown to be hoaxes. Hoaxers routinely have come out and said "Yes, I do these all the time, they're easy, here: I'll show you how..."

"Oh wait but this one could be real..." I mean, does that sound like adult logic?

 

[kerbiloid]

33 minutes ago, p1t1o said:

Decades and decades and decades of crop circles have been conclusively shown to be hoaxes.

I'm not going to argue, but my father had seen such circles from his plane when he was working in Tajikistan in 1980s.

I can easily imagine a bored English farmer, drawing them on his field  — just for pleasure.
But it's impossible for me to imagine Tajikistan peasants, in the Soviet time, scratching a collective farm cornfield with a collective farm tractor to make complicated geometrical figures...

Edited June 8, 2016 by kerbiloid

[p1t1o]

2 minutes ago, kerbiloid said:

I'm not going to argue, but my father had seen such circles from his plane when he was working in Tajikistan in 1980s.

I can easily imagine a bored English farmer, drawing them on his field  — just for pleasure.
But it's impossible for me to imagine Tajikistan peasants, in the Soviet time, scratching a collective farm cornfield with a collective farm tractor to make complicated geometrical figures...

If there are humans there, then humans are by far the better explanation. Though they must have seemed much more mystical back in the 80's.

It has been shown that complex patterns can be created with nothing other than a plank of wood, some rope and some patience.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/10217151/Crop-circles-demystified-how-the-patterns-are-created.html

[Toonu]

3 minutes ago, p1t1o said:

If there are humans there, then humans are by far the better explanation. Though they must have seemed much more mystical back in the 80's.

It has been shown that complex patterns can be created with nothing other than a plank of wood, some rope and some patience.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/10217151/Crop-circles-demystified-how-the-patterns-are-created.html

Yeah, but why they do that? In that time, that region wasn't so rich and most people want do more important things than some weird symbols in field...

[p1t1o]

3 minutes ago, Toonu said:

Yeah, but why they do that? In that time, that region wasn't so rich and most people want do more important things than some weird symbols in field...

No idea, but its far FAR more plausible that a human did something unexpected or inappropriate (You've met humans right?) than "it could be aliens".

 

[Randazzo]

11 minutes ago, Toonu said:

Yeah, but why they do that? In that time, that region wasn't so rich and most people want do more important things than some weird symbols in field...

Why do people take the the time to execute any elaborate hoax? Because they can. Their motivations might be alien to you, but fooling other people for enjoyment is just... human.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hoaxes

[Toonu]

I'm not saying I believe it s made by aliens. I was just complaining what's the chance and want discuss that....

[p1t1o]

3 minutes ago, Toonu said:

...what's the chance...

Its really, really small.