KRL-KerbalRacingLeague-Event organizer tools

[DrunkenKerbalnaut]

2 minutes ago, regex said:

Oh, well, I'll just take my leave then, thanks. o/

Maybe I misunderstood his meaning, but I took it to mean inclusion not limitation. Your opinions are strong, and input is welcome. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, DarkOwl57 said:

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I mean, we're literally talking about setting up rally races and hill climbs. Different formats have different timing rules. Some formats aren't even competitive in the traditional sense, they're more of a survival race. If that's not what this is about then there is zero interest from me to bother helping anymore, I have very little desire to compete in track-based time trials but I would find survival and TSD formats (if they are possible) very enticing.

[DarkOwl57]

Just now, regex said:

I mean, we're literally talking about setting up rally races and hill climbs. Different formats have different timing rules. Some formats aren't even competitive in the traditional sense, they're more of a survival race. If that's not what this is about then there is zero interest from me to bother helping anymore, I have very little desire to compete in track-based time trials but I would find survival and TSD formats (if they are possible) very enticing.

Well you can participate in Rally Concept. Track Concept is for people to train before they go to Rally (If they want to of course). This is mainly meant for the people who have just bought the game and want to try it out but need to train. If you want to go straight to Rally, be my guest; I'm not going to stop you.

[Slam_Jones]

5 minutes ago, regex said:

I mean, we're literally talking about setting up rally races and hill climbs. Different formats have different timing rules. Some formats aren't even competitive in the traditional sense, they're more of a survival race. If that's not what this is about then there is zero interest from me to bother helping anymore, I have very little desire to compete in track-based time trials but I would find survival and TSD formats (if they are possible) very enticing.

I, too, am rather interested in TSD rallies.  They're certainly a lot more about consistency than speed, which I think would be a welcome change to the typical "fastest-lap-wins" racing we usually see.

Admittedly, yeah, they would need some mods to properly keep track of, but it would be pretty cool regardless.  And a lot more rovers would be likely to survive til the end!

(Also, IMO, the best way to train for rally is to practice rally, not track.  )

Edited December 22, 2016 by Slam_Jones

[DrunkenKerbalnaut]

Personally I feel that placing various races in a hierarchy with eachother is a bad idea. The different modes (TT, Rally, Hill Climb) should be just titles. The rules herein created should be about organizing all of the above, and with an eye towards organizer convenience.   

[DoctorDavinci]

3 minutes ago, regex said:

I mean, we're literally talking about setting up rally races and hill climbs. Different formats have different timing rules. Some formats aren't even competitive in the traditional sense, they're more of a survival race. If that's not what this is about then there is zero interest from me to bother helping anymore, I have very little desire to compete in track-based time trials but I would find survival and TSD formats (if they are possible) very enticing.

I agree ... Seems too many cooks in the kitchen for my tastes

I'm down with the rally concept and think rally based challenges and circuit based challenges should remain separate ... I'm pretty sure that the real world racing leagues that are out there do not combine all of the types of racing beneath one roof

1 minute ago, DrunkenKerbalnaut said:

Personally I feel that placing various races in a hierarchy with eachother is a bad idea. The different modes (TT, Rally, Hill Climb) should be just titles. The rules herein created should be about organizing all of the above, and with an eye towards organizer convenience.   

Exactly

[DarkOwl57]

Just now, DoctorDavinci said:

I'm down with the rally concept and think rally based challenges and circuit based challenges should remain separate ... I'm pretty sure that the real world racing leagues that are out there do not combine all of the types of racing beneath one roof

But again, it is the Kerbal Racing League. If we include one type of racing but not another, isn't that sorta hypocritical?

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, DrunkenKerbalnaut said:

Maybe I misunderstood his meaning, but I took it to mean inclusion not limitation. Your opinions are strong, and input is welcome. 

From your OP, I assume we're going for a blanket set of simple rules for KRL-approved events, where an organizer with an idea can come along, spell out some simple rules, link to this thread, and expect participants to be able to build and race easily. For instance, with the earlier formats I layed out, I might announce the Dakar as a Survival Rally allowing all classes of cars. Perhaps a North-South mountain run (or whatever) might be a Timed Rally using Stock Solar cars. The rules here would inform participants with the organizer only really having to figure out a course and announce it.

Is that correct? KRL might then be more of a "committee" concerned with rules arbitration or clarification, that kind of thing? Or maybe just enthusiasts of the races?

I think your vision in the OP can be achieved pretty easily, which makes racing events of any type much easier to set up.

[DrunkenKerbalnaut]

Just now, DarkOwl57 said:

But again, it is the Kerbal Racing League. If we include one type of racing but not another, isn't that sorta hypocritical?

We include ALL types of racing. I recommend limiting it to ground based races for the start of things, as air races can be rule heavy. 

[DarkOwl57]

1 minute ago, DrunkenKerbalnaut said:

We include ALL types of racing. I recommend limiting it to ground based races for the start of things, as air races can be rule heavy. 

Oh we haven't even begun with Air-racing... geez that would be problematic...

But so from what I'm hearing here, you're okay with the Rally/Track mix in the KRL?

[DrunkenKerbalnaut]

1 minute ago, regex said:

From your OP, I assume we're going for a blanket set of simple rules for KRL-approved events, where an organizer with an idea can come along, spell out some simple rules, link to this thread, and expect participants to be able to build and race easily. For instance, with the earlier formats I layed out, I might announce the Dakar as a Survival Rally allowing all classes of cars. Perhaps a North-South mountain run (or whatever) might be a Timed Rally using Stock Solar cars. The rules here would inform participants with the organizer only really having to figure out a course and announce it.

Is that correct? KRL might then be more of a "committee" concerned with rules arbitration or clarification, that kind of thing? Or maybe just enthusiasts of the races?

I think your vision in the OP can be achieved pretty easily, which makes racing events of any type much easier to set up.

If I had a keyboard attached to my phone, I would have types this^.

 

a committee is a great way to look at it. We are the KRL committee. Why? Because we invited ourselves to the table. 

[Guest]

Just now, DrunkenKerbalnaut said:

Why? Because we invited ourselves to the table. 

I'm totally on board.

[DrunkenKerbalnaut]

1 minute ago, DarkOwl57 said:

Oh we haven't even begun with Air-racing... geez that would be problematic...

But so from what I'm hearing here, you're okay with the Rally/Track mix in the KRL?

I am. But more importantly, are we?

i envision a set of guidelines for future organizers. Maybe not simple, but I hope it will be. 

[Mikki]

1 minute ago, DrunkenKerbalnaut said:

If I had a keyboard attached to my phone, I would have types this^.

 

a committee is a great way to look at it. We are the KRL committee. Why? Because we invited ourselves to the table. 

Commitee looks legit. Go ahead folks.

[DrunkenKerbalnaut]

Let's take a step back. In a broad sense, what types if races will we convene on? At their lowest common denominator, I see:

Staged

Sprint

Circuit (laps)

EDIT: Survival

Edited December 22, 2016 by DrunkenKerbalnaut

[Mikki]

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1 minute ago, DrunkenKerbalnaut said:

Let's take a step back. In a broad sense, what types if races will we convene on? At their lowest common denominator, I see:

Staged

Sprint

Circuit (laps)

- checkpoints (route of choice, rally somehow?)

[Slam_Jones]

3 minutes ago, DrunkenKerbalnaut said:

Let's take a step back. In a broad sense, what types if races will we convene on? At their lowest common denominator, I see:

Staged

Sprint

Circuit (laps)

Sounds right to me.  Let me make sure I have the distinctions correct:

Staged: Point A to B, then B to C, then C to D, etc  (like the Dakar Rally as we are doing now?)

Sprint: Point A to B.

Circuit: Laps.

Edited December 22, 2016 by Slam_Jones

[DrunkenKerbalnaut]

Just now, Slam_Jones said:

Sounds right to me.  Let me make sure I have the distinctions correct:

Staged: Point A to B, then B to C, then C to D, etc  (like the Dakar Rally as we are doing now?)

Sprint: Point A to B.

Circuit: Laps.

Yes. And Mikki, how would a checkpoint race be distinguishable from a staged race? Like pre-determined routes? Would you consider that a subset of staged, or a separate category? Also, that could be fun  

[Mikki]

4 minutes ago, DrunkenKerbalnaut said:

Yes. And Mikki, how would a checkpoint race be distinguishable from a staged race? Like pre-determined routes? Would you consider that a subset of staged, or a separate category? Also, that could be fun  

The current Dakar2017 is a long track in separate stages, a checkpoint rally would look similar in size and shape but must be done in one session... refueling somewhere could still be an option but is included in the racetime. Screencaps of the flags while passing must be done for docs. Would be hard sure...

Edited December 22, 2016 by Mikki

[DrunkenKerbalnaut]

1 minute ago, Mikki said:

The current Dakar2017 is a long track in separate stages, a checkpoint rally would look similar in size and shape but must be done in one session... refueling somewhere could still be an option but is included in the racetime. Screencaps of the flags while passing must be done for docs. Would be hard sure...

I see. I say we consider that a subset of staged. Only because it will share a lot of rules, not because it's not an original format. I'm trying to divide and conquer here   

[Slam_Jones]

Just now, DrunkenKerbalnaut said:

I see. I say we consider that a subset of staged. Only because it will share a lot of rules, not because it's not an original format. I'm trying to divide and conquer here   

Agreed on that point, as the primary difference is that in Staged, you can pause between in each, whereas in Checkpoint, the timer runs from the start to the finish with no interruptions.  (Is that correct?)

[Mikki]

I would call it "Staged rally" and "Checkpoint rally". But like drunkenkerbalnaut mentioned they share the rules basically.

[DarkOwl57]

So who's on this KRL Committee?

[DrunkenKerbalnaut]

Just now, DarkOwl57 said:

So who's on this KRL Committee?

You? Us? If you race or plan to, pull up a chair. 

[Slam_Jones]

1 minute ago, DrunkenKerbalnaut said:

You? Us? If you race or plan to, pull up a chair. 

Agreed.  It should be open to all participants.  If you're racing (or would like to race), you should have a voice.

Edited December 22, 2016 by Slam_Jones