Low Frame Rate with what should be acceptable system specs?

[Alex38]

21 hours ago, eddiew said:

@Alex38 - assuming that "ventirad" just means "heatsink and fan" then yes. They should come with something that is "good enough" for processors that aren't being overclocked. The K variant may need you to supply your own because if you do overclock it, it will get hot as hell. But it will get fast too  

It's only my reasonably-educated belief, but the Pentium probably won't be worse than the Macbook Air you have. I just don't think it's a big upgrade either, and if you're seriously considering it as a stopgap measure, I'd suggest simply waiting. It's a totally different motherboard, and possibly memory, that you'd need for Ryzen, so any money spent is largely lost when you change again.

If you really can't stand the Macbook any longer, consider the fastest i3 available with a 470 graphics card (or ideally nvidia 1060 6gb or better, as I seem to remember @Galileo and myself agreeing that this is a sensible GPU for his planet pack. Hopefully he's correct me if my memory is getting old and fuzzy.) Ultimately you'll spend less by committing to either AMD or Intel now and basing your upgrade plans on that. A Pentium or i3 can be later upgraded to an i5 or i7, going AMD you basically have no option except the top of the line model anyway. Knowing how KSP responds to CPU over GPU, I'd be tempted to go AMD Ryzen 1700 and a lower graphics card, as graphics cards are much easier to upgrade in the future.

okay thank you  

i'm gonna break my account and go for an i5 6500+ RX480 4gb, i think that's a good investment  with all the components i'm at 675€ and after that i will have to buy windows and a cheap used 19020x1080 monitor in a shop, so total is about 750€..

I think that's expensive but i'm gonna have better perfomances than the previous build.. also, does ksp run (well) on linux ? because linux is freaking free ahah so i might get into linux first and later buy a W10, OEM version for 17€ 

but anyway thanks for all the advices ! i'm really happy to have the chance to discuss about that with someone who knows much more in pc than me ahah  

[eddiew]

I'd give Linux a miss tbh, @Alex38 - KSP used to run well on it, but the last I knew there were a lot of people grumbling more recently. Plus most of the world runs Windows, and life is frankly easier if you're compatible with the masses  

I think on the whole the system you're aiming at will be pretty boss. Ironically it'll probably fare better in newer FPS titles than it does in KSP... it's unfortunate that our beloved space program isn't particularly well optimised. 

Although... are you quite sure that a Ryzen 1700 system doesn't work out around the same cost as an Intel 6500? Because the motherboards for Ryzen should be significantly cheaper, and you'd be getting an overclockable 8-core CPU rather than a locked 4-core. Overclocked Ryzen vs Intel 6500, the Ryzen would win for all scenarios, I think. Either way, check the prices on the day you buy, because there should be some movement on one side or the other  

[Alex38]

18 hours ago, eddiew said:

I'd give Linux a miss tbh, @Alex38 - KSP used to run well on it, but the last I knew there were a lot of people grumbling more recently. Plus most of the world runs Windows, and life is frankly easier if you're compatible with the masses  

I think on the whole the system you're aiming at will be pretty boss. Ironically it'll probably fare better in newer FPS titles than it does in KSP... it's unfortunate that our beloved space program isn't particularly well optimised. 

Although... are you quite sure that a Ryzen 1700 system doesn't work out around the same cost as an Intel 6500? Because the motherboards for Ryzen should be significantly cheaper, and you'd be getting an overclockable 8-core CPU rather than a locked 4-core. Overclocked Ryzen vs Intel 6500, the Ryzen would win for all scenarios, I think. Either way, check the prices on the day you buy, because there should be some movement on one side or the other  

okay so i'm going to windows that's smarter   thanks !

yeah i think that too, but ksp 1.2.2 is much more optimised than the 1.1.3 version and previous  the game runs fine now but yeah it stills not that optimised compared to AAA+ games !

 

the ryzen 1700 here is about 430€, the lower ryzen is at 329€.. the i5 220€, that's a big gap and i was surprised by these prices because that's not what amds cost normally ^^ but i will see  i fail to order with a 50€ discount, so i'm going to wait and see 

[eddiew]

1 hour ago, Alex38 said:

the ryzen 1700 here is about 430€, the lower ryzen is at 329€.. the i5 220€, that's a big gap and i was surprised by these prices because that's not what amds cost normally ^^ but i will see  i fail to order with a 50€ discount, so i'm going to wait and see 

Well to be fair, that's indicative of what you're getting ^^;  The top Ryzen is about the same price as Intel's i7 7700k, which makes it a bargain if you were looking at that end.

The cheapest Ryzen, the 1700, is an 8 core, 16 thread chip, with most of them overclockable to 4ghz. Intel's 6500 is a 4 core, 4 thread chip locked 3.3ghz. In this comparison, the Ryzen has more than twice the computing power in multi threaded scenarios, and fully competitive on single threaded applications as well. The motherboard is likely to be around 30-50 cheaper, so the difference in total system cost should be closer to 50-70? To my mind that's a great return on investment.

On raw performance comparisons, the correct time to buy Intel is when opting for a K variant, since you can generally overclock those higher than Ryzen and they'll perform better for limited-thread scenarios like KSP or Minecraft or many older games. All non-k units are just plain not as good bang-for-buck right now as Ryzen. Obviously they're not bad but AMD's latest do make us feel like there should be more Intel price cuts in the near future. A chip offering 40% the performance of a Ryzen 1700 should not come at 66% the cost of one! Some adjustments feel likely  

[Alex38]

19 minutes ago, eddiew said:

Well to be fair, that's indicative of what you're getting ^^;  The top Ryzen is about the same price as Intel's i7 7700k, which makes it a bargain if you were looking at that end.

The cheapest Ryzen, the 1700, is an 8 core, 16 thread chip, with most of them overclockable to 4ghz. Intel's 6500 is a 4 core, 4 thread chip locked 3.3ghz. In this comparison, the Ryzen has more than twice the computing power in multi threaded scenarios, and fully competitive on single threaded applications as well. The motherboard is likely to be around 30-50 cheaper, so the difference in total system cost should be closer to 50-70? To my mind that's a great return on investment.

On raw performance comparisons, the correct time to buy Intel is when opting for a K variant, since you can generally overclock those higher than Ryzen and they'll perform better for limited-thread scenarios like KSP or Minecraft or many older games. All non-k units are just plain not as good bang-for-buck right now as Ryzen. Obviously they're not bad but AMD's latest do make us feel like there should be more Intel price cuts in the near future. A chip offering 40% the performance of a Ryzen 1700 should not come at 66% the cost of one! Some adjustments feel likely  

my god, why don't i win to lottery ... ahah that could be the absolute dream to don't have to worry about money ^^ i'm going to check for a config with ryzen and take the lower Rx460 price ^^ 

yeah the ryzen are awesome, i don't understand why intel is so late in term of cpu perf, amd is far more powerful ! (16 thread !! insane..) 

thank you again  

yeah but the "k" is far more expensive at the end, with the good MB and the ventirad adapted  

EDIT : damn that's 850€ .... with the cheapest MB, 8go of ram, the RX460 gigabyte 4go ... 

Edited March 8, 2017 by Alex38