Frozen_Heart Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Rainbowd4sh said: Wait, you are adding 3 features that are all possible today, and asking people to pay for them? Historical parts exist in many mods, from real scale, to stock scale Personal parachutes for kerbals also exist in many mods It takes 5 minutes of training to know how to make your own mission using save configs Hopefully Sqaud will make something unique, as that seems like a waste of money atm There is pretty much nothing that hasn't been done by mods. The good thing about official updates and dlc is that they are pretty much guaranteed to last and be supported as long as the game is. Mods have a habit of just dying regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEpicSquared Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Any details on pricing yet? I must convince my parents to buy me this expansion, when it comes out! Will top grades to the trick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brent Kerman Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 When was the border on free - not free expansions? I had 0.25. I bought it form a third party company though, will that affect it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elthy Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 It was on the end of April 2013. Afaik the game was out on Steam at that point for a few weeks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_2 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 How about first finishing the base game before adding DLC? The base game isn't even 1.0 worthy. At least balance the parts (stats, weights,etc) <- seriously, that's a couple of hours work... before starting to add new parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sal_vager Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, Brent Kerman said: When was the border on free - not free expansions? I had 0.25. I bought it form a third party company though, will that affect it? From the KSP website FAQ Quote I saw the post stating that players who purchased the game before May 2013 will get expansions for Free. Does this apply to Steam purchases as well? Yes, any purchase made before May 1st 2013 counts, regardless of the payment or distribution method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legoclone09 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, Brent Kerman said: When was the border on free - not free expansions? I had 0.25. I bought it form a third party company though, will that affect it? April of 2013. Also I can't wait! I'm more than happy to throw money at SQUAD for this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whirligig Girl Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 This looks... interesting. I had thought the first expansion pack would be some sort of interstellar expansion. I'm all for new parts and stuff, but since you've been pretty vague on the new features, I'm not sure how excited to be about them. However, this does sound a lot like a Delta-V calculator, which would be awesome! So awesome that you had better not limit at least that to the expansion. We need Delta-V calc in the base game. It's gonna be either real tough or real fun to mod this into my solar-system-changing planet mods. I could have a lot of fun writing up an alternate Kerbal history based on different solar systems. The Alternis system being a strange warped mirror to our own history of space exploration. Maybe even the default historical missions could be modded and you could do the "Man Will Conquer Space Soon" alternate history. Very glad that at least I know I will be getting it for free, because I have no money. Heck, if I had to buy the game from scratch, it would cost me twice as much as it did the first time back in 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brent Kerman Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 I don't remember when exactly I bought it, when did 0.25 come out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sal_vager Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Just now, Brent Kerman said: I don't remember when exactly I bought it, when did 0.25 come out? October 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brent Kerman Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Too bad, maybe the place I got it will have it cheap like they did KSP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terwin Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 (edited) Edit: for some reason I thought this was a 1.3 thread and not exclusively the expansion. If the mission builder, the ability to play missions, kerbal parachutes, and all the historic parts are only in the DLC, I can see how there would be fragmentation. I have long planned to support SQUAD if they did any DLC at a reasonable price, but when I first read the original post I was hopeful that everything except the mission-pack would be part of the 1.3 update... Edited March 17, 2017 by Terwin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minepagan Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Congrats, Squad. You're first expansion is something already doable with mods. Without even mentioning RO and staying stockalike, there are plenty of mods out there that add the missions, add the parts, literally everything you're trying to make us pay for. Now don't get me wrong here, the "misson maker" sounds like a cool idea. Heck, even that can be done with mods - I think the only "new" thing about it is the scoring system. I really wish you'd instead focus on, maybe, the part revamp that's been promised for quite some time now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerbart Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 (edited) Paid DLC! I think everyone agrees that we're much better off with Squad just closing up shop and stop working on bug fixes right now, then go down that evil bourgeous path of continuity and earn money for their efforts. Shame! Shame! /S Edited March 17, 2017 by Kerbart Added the /S tag. Just in case... (thank you @Salvager) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanml82 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 34 minutes ago, eloquentJane said: I would disagree with the idea that the 3.75m diameter needs a command pod and similar parts. While they would certainly be nice, they don't currently make sense to include considering the fact that the existing stock parts are heavily influenced by American space exploration technology, and so far there isn't an American command pod larger than the Apollo one. An Orion-like expansion might be interesting though, and would fit in well with the 3.75m size class. Yeah, but I care more about gameplay than real life equivalencies. Which is why I always end up adding MRS and MK2&3 expansions 23 minutes ago, Rainbowd4sh said: Wait, you are adding 3 features that are all possible today, and asking people to pay for them? Historical parts exist in many mods, from real scale, to stock scale Personal parachutes for kerbals also exist in many mods It takes 5 minutes of training to know how to make your own mission using save configs Hopefully Sqaud will make something unique, as that seems like a waste of money atm For existing customers, perhaps. But think of new sales. What sells better: "space simulator with unofficial mods which include historic parts and parachutes" or "space simulator with added DLC in which you can play historic missions with replicas of old American and Soviet capsules and parachute your astronauts if you need to abort" coupled with a nice video in Steam? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minepagan Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 1 minute ago, juanml82 said: Yeah, but I care more about gameplay than real life equivalencies. Which is why I always end up adding MRS and MK2&3 expansions For existing customers, perhaps. But think of new sales. What sells better: "space simulator with unofficial mods which include historic parts and parachutes" or "space simulator with added DLC in which you can play historic missions with replicas of old American and Soviet capsules and parachute your astronauts if you need to abort" coupled with a nice video in Steam? What sells better: "inconplete game with paid expansions" or "completed game with extensive modding community"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halban Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Badie said: Yes we will keep our promise Cheers Squad. That's actually really good of you, not a lot of companies would make a promise like that and keep it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Shirt Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 2 hours ago, DarthVader said: Paid expansion except for those who bought the game before April 2013 December 26, 2013 Missed it by that much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pesterenan Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 I can't wait and I'll gladly pay for a DLC that supports the devs and adds CONTENT like this one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magico13 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Unfortunately I bought KSP on June 8th, 2013 (and then again on May 7th, 2014) so I won't be getting this for free. It sounds interesting though and if it's done well then it could be cool. It'll be interesting to see what happens from the mod supporting front if the code paths between base game and DLC game diverge at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanml82 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 10 minutes ago, minepagan said: What sells better: "inconplete game with paid expansions" or "completed game with extensive modding community"? Nowadays? The first one, unfortunately. But in any case, the moment they add a stock dV readout, the game will be complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minepagan Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, Pesterenan said: ...adds CONTENT like this one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallygator Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 So Squad finally builds a semi-fix to a crappy career mode. Yea! Oh crap, I have to pay for it. As long as its less that 50% of the main product price I guess it would be ok from my perspective. We have now reached the 'squeeze money out of the customer base phase' of KSP - HOWEVER >>> If this actually gets us real content then its not all so bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEpicSquared Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Wallygator said: As long as its less that 50% of the main product price I guess it would be ok from my perspective. 20 euros for a DLC!? I personally think that's a bit expensive. Considering that the game usually costs 40 euros, I think a DLC like this should cost maybe 11-12 euros. 15 at most. Then again, I know next to nothing about marketing, so I have no idea if what price I'm suggesting is ludicrously low. Edited March 17, 2017 by TheEpicSquared Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowmage Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Wheres the 'Dislike this' button? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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