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@Rath I'd like to suggest a change in the scoring system. Right now it seems to favor the number of passengers (the x5 multiplier) over anything else. This means that if you have the most amount of passengers, you pretty much win regardless of every other statistic.

I think that more incentive should be given to other statistics, like range and other things that I can't come up with right now.

:) 

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  On 3/20/2017 at 8:45 AM, Hesp said:

Actually, I like the idea of including suborbital spaceplanes.

The only requirement needed for a fair challenge would be to have ONLY airbreather engines to avoid entries like mine :) 

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Or just not orbit.  I love the idea of a rocket-boosted space plane jumping between continents.

  On 3/20/2017 at 11:16 AM, TheEpicSquared said:

@Rath I'd like to suggest a change in the scoring system. Right now it seems to favor the number of passengers (the x5 multiplier) over anything else. This means that if you have the most amount of passengers, you pretty much win regardless of every other statistic.

I think that more incentive should be given to other statistics, like range and other things that I can't come up with right now.

:) 

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That's why I wrote subject to change.  This challenge is still in its infancy.  I think the bonuses should be boosted a lot too because it's a safety challenge.

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  On 3/20/2017 at 11:16 AM, TheEpicSquared said:

@Rath I'd like to suggest a change in the scoring system. Right now it seems to favor the number of passengers (the x5 multiplier) over anything else. This means that if you have the most amount of passengers, you pretty much win regardless of every other statistic.

I think that more incentive should be given to other statistics, like range and other things that I can't come up with right now.

:) 

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That's not correct... As I showed, it's easier to reach 2000m/s than carrying 400 kerbals.

IMHO, I think that all the challenge parameters should be multiplied and not added, i.e.:

Speed X Distance X (Kerbals+Staff) X Bonuses

 

It's the only way to make all the entries consider every design aspect :)

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http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/93853799899003701/B3C78AC91246A3B90E85640B22F8E748B6CC8C6E/

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Meet Planie Mc Planeface Mark 2! It's an 48 passenger aircraft that looks like a stubby jumbo. I removed the droptanks, removed fuel and put 4 more Wings on. Now it's stable!

It's cruising speed is 185 m/s at 9500m, 230m/s at 7000m. It manages to hold that speed and height without any control input (but with SAS). Top speed (only achieved on a dive) was 364 m/s. It can land on water without damage, but it can't take off from water. Min takeoff- and landing speed is 60 m/s. It's Max Distance is pretty high. Im sure it could circumnavigate kerbin but my longest flight was just about 800 km (it still had 3/4 of the fuel it started with and I tried some stunts on that flight)

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364+(800(could do much better)/10)+(48*5)*1+(2/2)) + 110 = 1239

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  On 3/20/2017 at 1:52 PM, Physics Student said:

Meet Planie Mc Planeface Mark 2!

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+++ for making a tri-wing design look good!

  On 3/20/2017 at 1:43 PM, Hesp said:

Speed X Distance X (Kerbals+Staff) X Bonuses

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... Mulling over it, I agree this should encourage a wide range of crafts. It also accomplishes that while being a lot simpler than my suggestion, which is great! That said, we're two pages and a half-dozen entries in so it may just be time to play ball. Let's see what Rath thinks.

  On 3/20/2017 at 4:13 AM, Eidahlil said:

With that out of the way, I present a deathtrap plane from HDAY airlines: HDAY 1. Proven to be "technically capable of landing",

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Nice "wings" :cool: How do you show the Kerbals inside a pod by the way? I've heard about it but never figured it out.

 

@DoctorDavinci I am duly impressed you got a plane that big to splash down nicely!

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  On 3/20/2017 at 10:12 PM, Rath said:

Anybody else have some ideas on how to improve scoring?  Recalculation will be easy because you have to post your base statistics.  Otherwise I think the scoring will change soon.

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I'd say something like:

MaxSpeed + ( Range / 1.5 ) + ( PassengerCapacity * 3 ) + ( FlightAttendants * 2 ) + ( BonusPoints * 3 )

 

Not sure how balanced that is though :) 

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I want range to be a viable way of accumulating points too, and I'm afraid that reducing the value of range or putting it into brackets could harm that.  If it is too good I would prefer dividing it by two or something.

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  On 3/21/2017 at 11:25 AM, Rath said:

I want range to be a viable way of accumulating points too, and I'm afraid that reducing the value of range or putting it into brackets could harm that.  If it is too good I would prefer dividing it by two or something.

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I though dividing by 2 was too much for high-capacity, low-range planes, and multiplying it would give an unfair incentive for high-range planes, so I went in between, resulting in dividing by 1.5.

Untimately it's up to you of course, it's your challenge :) 

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  On 3/21/2017 at 11:18 AM, TheEpicSquared said:

I'd say something like:

MaxSpeed + ( Range / 1.5 ) + ( PassengerCapacity * 3 ) + ( FlightAttendants * 2 ) + ( BonusPoints * 3 )

Not sure how balanced that is though :) 

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Try to multiply all them together rather than adding up :)

Something like this:

(MaxSpeed/10) * (Range/100) * (PassengerCapacity + (FlightAttendants*3)) * (1+(BonusPoints/1000))

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Here's my (first) entry.

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The plane is capable of taking off without a potential tail strike.

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Capable of landing in the water perfectly intact (as you can see with no difference in parts according to KER).

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It can take off an land on the same runway.

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It can fly (albeit quite slowly) on any two engines.

IN summary: There is no chance of tail strike (20), No SAS to fly stable (20), has 4 engines but can fly on two (20), airbrakes (10), can ditch in the water with no damage (20), can take off and land on same runway without turning around (20). Power generation is via fuel cells.

1280 M/s + (112 Passengers X5) + (1659 KM/10) + (2/1) + 110 (bonus points) = 2116.9 points! 

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  On 3/20/2017 at 11:16 AM, TheEpicSquared said:

@Rath ...Right now it seems to favor the number of passengers (the x5 multiplier) over anything else...

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I have to second this. With the current rules I could haul this ugly and very unsafe monster out of my hanger and get 1600x5 = 8000 points just from the passengers. 

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At which point it becomes "Computer Melter Danger Challenge" which isn't quite as fun.

I don't particularly want to do that, but I could.

Anyways, I have a question: can I enter into more than one category? I've just about finished a plane which can be either heavy or superheavy depending on the number of fuselage sections installed (might even be able to chop off sections and get medium too, but it would look weird and stubby). Got it :)

Edit: @Rath2 more questions:

1: do batteries count as an alternative power source? I added 4k in extra batteries, which is definitely enough to power it until landing if the engines go out.

2: what kind of engine out fly-ability bonuses would apply to an aircraft with say, 6 engines? My plane can fly on any 3 engines. Is this equivalent to a 4 engine plane flying on 2?

Edit2: ugh: that belly-land-without-damage bonus is almost within my grasp! The little glitch ridges between runway sections keep messing me up!

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You can enter however many times you want.  Be reasonable though.

 

EDIT: You can only submit once in each category, but submissions can be replaced.

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Ok I'll be entering the Super-heavy category with the PassTranz 106.

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So that gives 176 + (3200/10) + (16*8*5) + (2/2) + (10+20+20+40+20 +20 +10 +10 +5) = 1458pts

That's 3rd place! :)

Edit: I goofed up. I got 1302 points. Sorry people! The math on the original example in the challenge is messed up too though.

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Either there was a glitch or someone played a practical joke on me. All the text inside the spoiler was crossed out :o
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  On 3/23/2017 at 4:25 PM, notsodeadjeb said:

Can i make a Super heavy, that is powered by Nervs? 

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I can imagine it being able to get a pretty absurd score if you fly it how I think... Not sure if it would be fair for the challenge, but I would love to see it.

Anyways, this is the OP's decision.

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