Control problems with Enhanced Edition

[Arch3rAc3]

Couple of problems found with the control schemes (Edit: just noticed #1 has been added and confirmed on the BugTracker). 

1. Can't buy researched parts in R&D building. For harder difficulties, you must pay an entry cost for each part after researching them so they become available. Now for a reason I'm yet to understand, the cursor is available everywhere but on H&D...
   Since the cursor is not available, after switching to the parts specific window - as in, after you first select a part through the part list window, a new window will pop-up with this part description - you simply can't switch the point of interest to this very window, therefore not being allowed to purchase the part. This would be quickly fixed if you could click on the purchase button, but no cursor available in R&D for no reason at all.
   Another problem one could quickly notice here is that on the bottom of that same window is the text "Hold <B>: More Info". If you do hold B (circle on PS4), instead of getting more info, you'll go back to the previous screen, since B (circle) is the same button to return in a window, lovely.
2. (Minor, problem but a problem nonetheless, and may show that this happens on different windows as well): in the Tracking Station you can press LB/RB (L1/R1) to scroll between different celestial bodies, but in the controls App it tells you that when you have the cursor active, you can hold LB (L1) for precision mode. The problem is that even in cursor mode, holding LB will scroll to the previous celestial body. There seems to be an unnoticed problem going on with keys being used for multiple functions at the same time.
3. With the Radial preset, for controlling your throttle you must hold LB (L1) and move the D-Pad Up/Down (instead of simply moving the D-Pad Up/Down and leaving LB + D-Pad for Maximum/Minimum instant throttle like it is with cursor settings). Not only the controls scheme is so limited to the point that for you to simply change this you must switch to another preset, which will change a lot more things than only this, you also have the LB (L1) conflicting between two functions again: LB (L1) + Axis movement is used to trim your craft, therefore you just cannot control your throttle and changing you craft attitude without trimming it and making it go all over the place.
4. Like with problem #2, controls conflicting once again: at the VAB or SPH you can click X (Square) on a part to change some of it settings (like on a parachute to change it's deployment altitude). So, although you can use the cursor to change it's settings, you can also change to that window and use the Axis to scroll through the settings. For that, you switch back to non-cursor mode and press LB (L1) + Y (Triangle) (the same way you switch back and forth to the dialogue window during the tutorial). But with cursor mode on, if you press LB + Y you will also toggle between Snap Mode on/off.
   This is another minor bug, but can get a bit annoying when you have a window open but want to toggle between Snap Modes and it keeps switching windows.
   Ps.: Using this LB + Y combination in the R&D does not change the focus to the desired window, since by pressing LB (or RB) you will change tabs, scrolling between Technology and Science Archives.

Edited January 18, 2018 by Arch3rAc3

[Leopard]

have noticed one or two conflicts with control as noted above, where one function is what you will want (often) and the other is (OMG now I'm dead because of that)

roughly the same as how Elite Dangerous had (maybe still has) the landing gear and "turbo" button on the same control

 

seems odd that the default for throttle is "all or nothing" with a modifier for "fine control" - the other way round would make more sense - is there an option to toggle this behaviour somewhere?

[Rocket In My Pocket]

1 minute ago, Leopard said:

seems odd that the default for throttle is "all or nothing" with a modifier for "fine control" - the other way round would make more sense - is there an option to toggle this behaviour somewhere?

Maybe it comes down to personal preference but even playing on PC I use min/max throttle like 99.9% of the time. So I can see the reasoning for making that the default on console.

[Arch3rAc3]

5 minutes ago, Leopard said:

have noticed one or two conflicts with control as noted above, where one function is what you will want (often) and the other is (OMG now I'm dead because of that)

roughly the same as how Elite Dangerous had (maybe still has) the landing gear and "turbo" button on the same control

 

seems odd that the default for throttle is "all or nothing" with a modifier for "fine control" - the other way round would make more sense - is there an option to toggle this behaviour somewhere?

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Nope, unless you change the preset mode to Cursor instead of Radial. But by doing so, a lot of other things are also going to change, and a couple more problems arise, since many keys are used for two actions at the same time, as the one I mentioned in #4.

Oh my, Elite was a pain. Three key combo didn't work (may not work still although you can create these type of combos) and most combinations with the B key would make you ship go boosting everywhere before the action you wanted to happen really happened. Quite frustrating haha.

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and the other is (OMG now I'm dead because of that)

Oh well, these are just the problems I found by trying to build a ship in the start of career mode. Don't even wanna know what I'm yet to see when trying to fly to other planets xD. 

3 minutes ago, Rocket In My Pocket said:

Maybe it comes down to personal preference but even playing on PC I use min/max throttle like 99.9% of the time. So I can see the reasoning for making that the default on console.

And then you try flying a plane in career with no kerbal respawn, slowly slowing down on final instead of cutting your throttle all at once (or having to set an specific % of throttle to maintain AOA without stalling or starting to climb) and suddenly the plane goes full spin and deep stall because you also trimmed something in the process.

It's more a "What specific type of craft you're flying right now" instead of personal preference I believe. For orbital maneuevers you might want Max/Cut instant throttle, but try landing on Mun for example. Fine control is way more accurate and safer.

Edited January 18, 2018 by Arch3rAc3

[Rocket In My Pocket]

7 minutes ago, Arch3rAc3 said:

And then you try flying a plane in career with no kerbal respawn, slowly slowing down on final instead of cutting your throttle all at once (or having to set an specific % of throttle to maintain AOA without stalling or starting to climb) and suddenly the plane goes full spin and deep stall because you also trimmed something in the process.

It's more a "What specific type of craft you're flying right now" instead of personal preference I believe. For orbital maneuevers you might want Max/Cut instant throttle, but try landing on Mun for example. Fine control is way more accurate and safer.

I just cut the throttle and glide in personally, but then again I've flown actual planes IRL so KSP's simple flight sim is a walk in the park.

I've never played the console version, so if you're telling me it's awkward and hard to control; then I believe you.

I guess what I'm saying is; if you made me choose between all/nothing throttle vs. only gradual control; I'd take the min/max keybinds. I agree that you shouldn't have to choose though.

[Arch3rAc3]

1 minute ago, Rocket In My Pocket said:

I just cut the throttle and glide in personally, but then again I've flown actual planes IRL so KSP's simple flight sim is a walk in the park.

I've never played the console version, so if you're telling me it's awkward and hard to control; then I believe you.

I guess what I'm saying is; if you made me choose between all/nothing throttle vs. only gradual control; I'd take the min/max keybinds. I agree that you shouldn't have to choose though.

A quick binding change would fix this. There's a toggle options in the control settings (and also a key combination) to quickly change between Yaw and Roll (so you can use the main stick to Roll or Yaw depending on what you're flying, and having the triggers [like, rudder axis] for the other function). We should have another option like this but for throttle.