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Actually testing this (additionally to all the other stuff I'm testing):

GameData\zFinal\zzz_useGimbalReponseTime.cfg 

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal],~gimbalResponseSpeed[]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]
	{
		%useGimbalResponseSpeed = true
		%gimbalResponseSpeed = 6
	}
}

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal,ModuleEngines]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]
	{
		@gimbalRange /= #$../mass$
		temp = #$gimbalRange$
		@gimbalRange /= #$../Module[ModuleEngines]/maxThrust$
		@gimbalRange *= 100
		@gimbalRange /= #$temp$
		!temp = delete
		@gimbalResponseSpeed /= #$../mass$
	}
}

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal,ModuleEnginesFX]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]
	{
		@gimbalRange /= #$../mass$
		temp = #$gimbalRange$
		@gimbalRange /= #$../Module[ModuleEnginesFX]/maxThrust$
		@gimbalRange *= 100
		@gimbalRange /= #$temp$
		!temp = delete
		@gimbalResponseSpeed /= #$../mass$
	}
}

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal],#gimbalResponseSpeed[>15]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]
	{
		@gimbalResponseSpeed = 15
	}
}

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal],#gimbalResponseSpeed[<6]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]
	{
		@gimbalResponseSpeed = 6
	}
}

// Ferram Aerospace Research
//
// ATTENTION:
// You have to delete the following config:
// GameData\FerramAerospaceResearch\stockEngineGimbalIncrease.cfg
//
@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul,FerramAerospaceResearch]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]
	{
		@gimbalResponseSpeed *= 1.5
	}
}

For whatever reason the gimbalRange is not changed - I tried it with :FINAL on all patches before, but also now it doesn't work.

I try it with this change, lol:
old: @gimbalRange /= #$../ModuleEngines/maxThrust$
new: @gimbalRange /= #$../Module[ModuleEngines]/maxThrust$

I'm trying to find a way that the default gimbalRange is not that problem that the vessel is prone to wobble.
Or better said: being too lazy to always move the gimbalRange slider down in VAB or in flight.

But I also opened this issue some days ago:
https://github.com/MuMech/MechJeb2/issues/1033

 

Edit:

I can't make it work, the gimbalRange is just not calculated - and no MM errors ...

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I will try it with this one next session: 

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal],~gimbalResponseSpeed[]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]
	{
		%useGimbalResponseSpeed = true
		%gimbalResponseSpeed = 6
	}
}

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal,ModuleEngines]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]
	{
		@gimbalRange /= #$/mass$
		temp = #$gimbalRange$
		@gimbalRange /= #$/Module[ModuleEngines]/maxThrust$
		@gimbalRange *= 100
		@gimbalRange /= #$temp$
		!temp = delete
		@gimbalResponseSpeed /= #$/mass$
	}
}

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal,ModuleEnginesFX]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]
	{
		@gimbalRange /= #$/mass$
		temp = #$gimbalRange$
		@gimbalRange /= #$/Module[ModuleEnginesFX]/maxThrust$
		@gimbalRange *= 100
		@gimbalRange /= #$temp$
		!temp = delete
		@gimbalResponseSpeed /= #$/mass$
	}
}

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal],#gimbalResponseSpeed[>15]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]
	{
		@gimbalResponseSpeed = 15
	}
}

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal],#gimbalResponseSpeed[<6]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]
	{
		@gimbalResponseSpeed = 6
	}
}

// Ferram Aerospace Research
//
// ATTENTION:
// You have to delete the following config:
// GameData\FerramAerospaceResearch\stockEngineGimbalIncrease.cfg
//
@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul,FerramAerospaceResearch]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]
	{
		@gimbalResponseSpeed *= 1.5
	}
}

DOES NOT work damnit...

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Next session: 

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal],~gimbalResponseSpeed[]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]
	{
		%useGimbalResponseSpeed = true
		%gimbalResponseSpeed = 6
	}
}

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal,ModuleEngines]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]
	{
		@gimbalRange /= #$/mass$
		temp = #$gimbalRange$
		@gimbalRange /= #$/Module[ModuleEngines]/maxThrust$
		@gimbalRange *= 100
		@gimbalRange /= #$temp$
		@gimbalResponseSpeed /= #$/mass$
	}
}

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal,ModuleEnginesFX]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]
	{
		@gimbalRange /= #$/mass$
		temp = #$gimbalRange$
		@gimbalRange /= #$/Module[ModuleEnginesFX]/maxThrust$
		@gimbalRange *= 100
		@gimbalRange /= #$temp$
		@gimbalResponseSpeed /= #$/mass$
	}
}

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal],#gimbalResponseSpeed[>15]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]
	{
		@gimbalResponseSpeed = 15
	}
}

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal],#gimbalResponseSpeed[<6]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]
	{
		@gimbalResponseSpeed = 6
	}
}

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal,ModuleEngines]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]
	{
		!temp = delete
	}
}

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal,ModuleEnginesFX]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]
	{
		!temp = delete
	}
}

// Ferram Aerospace Research
//
// ATTENTION:
// You have to delete the following config:
// GameData\FerramAerospaceResearch\stockEngineGimbalIncrease.cfg
//
// @PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul,FerramAerospaceResearch]:FINAL
// {
	// @MODULE[ModuleGimbal]
	// {
		// @gimbalResponseSpeed *= 1.5
	// }
// }

 

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Next session: 

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal],~gimbalResponseSpeed[]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]:HAS[#gimbalTransformName[?hrustTransform,?ernierTransform,?imbal,?imbalTransform,?ernierGimbal]]
	{
		%useGimbalResponseSpeed = true
		%gimbalResponseSpeed = 6
	}
}

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal,ModuleEngines]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]:HAS[#gimbalTransformName[?hrustTransform,?ernierTransform,?imbal,?imbalTransform,?ernierGimbal]]
	{
		@gimbalRange /= #$/mass$
		temp = #$gimbalRange$
		@gimbalRange /= #$/Module[ModuleEngines]/maxThrust$
		@gimbalRange *= 100
		@gimbalRange /= #$temp$
		@gimbalResponseSpeed /= #$/mass$
	}
}

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal,ModuleEnginesFX]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]:HAS[#gimbalTransformName[?hrustTransform,?ernierTransform,?imbal,?imbalTransform,?ernierGimbal]]
	{
		@gimbalRange /= #$/mass$
		temp = #$gimbalRange$
		@gimbalRange /= #$/Module[ModuleEnginesFX]/maxThrust$
		@gimbalRange *= 100
		@gimbalRange /= #$temp$
		@gimbalResponseSpeed /= #$/mass$
	}
}

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal],#gimbalResponseSpeed[>15]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]:HAS[#gimbalTransformName[?hrustTransform,?ernierTransform,?imbal,?imbalTransform,?ernierGimbal]]
	{
		@gimbalResponseSpeed = 15
	}
}

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal],#gimbalResponseSpeed[<6]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]:HAS[#gimbalTransformName[?hrustTransform,?ernierTransform,?imbal,?imbalTransform,?ernierGimbal]]
	{
		@gimbalResponseSpeed = 6
	}
}
	
@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal,ModuleEngines]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]:HAS[#gimbalTransformName[?hrustTransform,?ernierTransform,?imbal,?imbalTransform,?ernierGimbal]]
	{
		!temp = delete
	}
}

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal,ModuleEnginesFX]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]:HAS[#gimbalTransformName[?hrustTransform,?ernierTransform,?imbal,?imbalTransform,?ernierGimbal]]
	{
		!temp = delete
	}
}

// Ferram Aerospace Research
//
// ATTENTION:
// You have to delete the following config:
// GameData\FerramAerospaceResearch\stockEngineGimbalIncrease.cfg
//
// @PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul,FerramAerospaceResearch]:FINAL
// {
	// @MODULE[ModuleGimbal]
	// {
		// @gimbalResponseSpeed *= 1.5
	// }
// }

 

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Okay, thank you @blowfish, next session I will use this: 

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]:HAS[~gimbalResponseSpeed[]]
	{
		%useGimbalResponseSpeed = true
		%gimbalResponseSpeed = 6
	}
}

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal],@MODULE[ModuleEngines]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]:HAS[#gimbalRange[>0]]
	{
		@gimbalRange /= #$/mass$
		temp = #$gimbalRange$
		tempb = #$/MODULE[ModuleEngines]/maxThrust$
		@gimbalRange /= #$tempb$
		@gimbalRange *= 100
		@gimbalRange /= #$temp$
		@gimbalResponseSpeed /= #$/mass$
	}
}

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal],@MODULE[ModuleEnginesFX]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]:HAS[#gimbalRange[>0]]
	{
		@gimbalRange /= #$/mass$
		temp = #$gimbalRange$
		tempb = #$/MODULE[ModuleEnginesFX]/maxThrust$
		@gimbalRange /= #$tempb$
		@gimbalRange *= 100
		@gimbalRange /= #$temp$
		@gimbalResponseSpeed /= #$/mass$
	}
}

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]:HAS[#gimbalResponseSpeed[>15]]
	{
		@gimbalResponseSpeed = 15
	}
}

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]:HAS[#gimbalResponseSpeed[<6]]
	{
		@gimbalResponseSpeed = 6
	}
}
	
@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal],@MODULE[ModuleEngines*]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]:HAS[#temp[*],#tempb[*]]
	{
		!temp = delete
		!tempb = delete
	}
}

// Ferram Aerospace Research
//
// ATTENTION:
// You have to delete the following config:
// GameData\FerramAerospaceResearch\stockEngineGimbalIncrease.cfg
//
// @PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul,FerramAerospaceResearch]:FINAL
// {
	// @MODULE[ModuleGimbal]
	// {
		// @gimbalResponseSpeed *= 1.5
	// }
// }

 

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The above config worked.

To really know if it fights a wobble only one test scenario comes to my mind:

  1. don't use this patch until you have a wobbling rocket
  2. exit the game, add the patch
  3. load the game again
  4. go to VAB, load the vessel and make sure all engines are already patched (KER, middle-click on engines)
  5. (if not, replace the engines by the same ones fresh from the part list)
  6. if changed before, move the gimbal sliders to 100%
  7. launch the edited vessel with the same ascent parameters
  8. wait for the wobble
  9. is there any wobble? no?
  10. great
  11. still wobble?
  12. I could say "bad design" - but I prefer feedback

 

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A change, because some heavier and high trust engines have too less gimballing - depends the numbers.

GameData\zFinal\zzz_useGimbalReponseTime.cfg
  

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]:HAS[~gimbalResponseSpeed[]]
	{
		%useGimbalResponseSpeed = true
		%gimbalResponseSpeed = 6
	}
}

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal],@MODULE[ModuleEngines]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]:HAS[#gimbalRange[>0]]
	{
		@gimbalRange /= #$/mass$
		temp = #$gimbalRange$
		tempb = #$/MODULE[ModuleEngines]/maxThrust$
		@gimbalRange /= #$tempb$
		@gimbalRange *= 500
		@gimbalRange /= #$temp$
		@gimbalRange *= #$/mass$
		@gimbalResponseSpeed /= #$/mass$
	}
}

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal],@MODULE[ModuleEnginesFX]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]:HAS[#gimbalRange[>0]]
	{
		@gimbalRange /= #$/mass$
		temp = #$gimbalRange$
		tempb = #$/MODULE[ModuleEnginesFX]/maxThrust$
		@gimbalRange /= #$tempb$
		@gimbalRange *= 500
		@gimbalRange /= #$temp$
		@gimbalRange *= #$/mass$
		@gimbalResponseSpeed /= #$/mass$
	}
}

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]:HAS[#gimbalResponseSpeed[>15]]
	{
		@gimbalResponseSpeed = 15
	}
}

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]:HAS[#gimbalResponseSpeed[<6]]
	{
		@gimbalResponseSpeed = 6
	}
}
	
@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal],@MODULE[ModuleEngines*]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]:HAS[#temp[*],#tempb[*]]
	{
		!temp = delete
		!tempb = delete
	}
}

// Ferram Aerospace Research
//
// ATTENTION:
// You have to delete the following config:
// GameData\FerramAerospaceResearch\stockEngineGimbalIncrease.cfg
//
// @PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul,FerramAerospaceResearch]:FINAL
// {
	// @MODULE[ModuleGimbal]
	// {
		// @gimbalResponseSpeed *= 1.5
	// }
// }

 

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Because this:

patch is changed to:
GameData\zFinal\zzz_useGimbalReponseTime.cfg 

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]:HAS[~gimbalResponseSpeed[]]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]
	{
		%useGimbalResponseSpeed = true
		%gimbalResponseSpeed = 6
	}
}

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]:HAS[#gimbalRange[>0]],@MODULE[ModuleEngines]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]
	{
		temp = #$gimbalRange$
		@gimbalRange /= #$/mass$
		tempa = #$gimbalRange$
		tempb = #$/MODULE[ModuleEngines]/maxThrust$
		@gimbalRange /= #$tempb$
		@gimbalRange *= 500
		@gimbalRange /= #$tempa$
		@gimbalRange *= #$/mass$
		tempc = 0
		@tempc += #$gimbalRange$
		@tempc -= #$temp$
		@gimbalResponseSpeed /= #$/mass$
	}
}

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]:HAS[#tempc[>0]],@MODULE[ModuleEngines]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]
	{
		@gimbalRange = #$temp$
	}
}
	
@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]:HAS[#gimbalRange[>0]],@MODULE[ModuleEnginesFX]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]
	{
		temp = #$gimbalRange$
		@gimbalRange /= #$/mass$
		tempa = #$gimbalRange$
		tempb = #$/MODULE[ModuleEnginesFX]/maxThrust$
		@gimbalRange /= #$tempb$
		@gimbalRange *= 500
		@gimbalRange /= #$tempa$
		@gimbalRange *= #$/mass$
		tempc = 0
		@tempc += #$gimbalRange$
		@tempc -= #$temp$
		@gimbalResponseSpeed /= #$/mass$
	}
}

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]:HAS[#tempc[>0]],@MODULE[ModuleEnginesFX]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]
	{
		@gimbalRange = #$temp$
	}
}
	
@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]:HAS[#gimbalResponseSpeed[>15]]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]
	{
		@gimbalResponseSpeed = 15
	}
}

@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]:HAS[#gimbalResponseSpeed[<6]]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]
	{
		@gimbalResponseSpeed = 6
	}
}
	
@PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]:HAS[#temp[*]|#tempa[*]|#tempb[*]|#tempc[*]],@MODULE[ModuleEngines*]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul]:FINAL
{
	@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]
	{
		!temp = delete
		!tempa = delete
		!tempb = delete
		!tempc = delete
	}
}

// Ferram Aerospace Research
//
// ATTENTION:
// You have to delete the following config:
// GameData\FerramAerospaceResearch\stockEngineGimbalIncrease.cfg
//
// @PART[*]:HAS[@MODULE[ModuleGimbal]]:NEEDS[!RealismOverhaul,FerramAerospaceResearch]:FINAL
// {
	// @MODULE[ModuleGimbal]
	// {
		// @gimbalResponseSpeed *= 1.5
	// }
// }

 

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